Justice for the Forgotten. No manipulation of the victims of Terror.

by Watcher Fri Feb 24, 2006 12:45

This article is not by relatives of the Dublin / Monaghan bombings victims nor id it by the group Justice For The Forgotten. It is obscene that Loyalists should be allowed to march through to Dublin but it is even more obscene that Trolls should pretend to speak on behalf of the victims and relatives.

by uh? Fri Feb 24, 2006 13:15

it asks readers to contact the groups mentioned and local political and religious representatives to express their opinion on the politicisation of the suffering experienced by many people.
It ought be clear that the bombings south of the border in the early 1970s terrorised a generation of Irish people and copperfastened an attitude of abandonment to their fellow Irish north of the border as their political situation descended into terrorist attrition. Terrorist attrition which the group rsf never attempted to put right, but now as the Orange Order come they decide to lay a wreath.
If they felt so sincerely about the suffering caused by Terrorism be it Loyalist, Nationalist, Covert British secret service, Sectarian or Other they would lay their wreath another day, and stick to organising their protests against the Orange Order's visit to Dublin. Instead they are manipulating the emotions of people in Dublin by laying associative blame for those bombings by loyalist paramilitary groupings with yet unproven collusion by the British state at the Orange Order.

NO MANIPULATION OF TERROR.
especially by those who have not condemended terror or moved on from the advocacy of armed struggle. Everyone who was alive in Dublin (or Monaghan) between 1971 and 1974 has full right to write on those events. RSF have as any organisation a right to commemorate the suffering, but not to manipulate it for other sectarian ends.

to repeat for the benefit of the sloppy reader:-

" If you consider the laying of a wreath ["To show that there is not a hierarchy of suffering Republican Sinn Fein President Ruairi O Bradaigh will lead a wreath at the monument in Talbot St, to the 33 victims, Protestant and Catholic of the 1974 Dublin and Monaghan bombs."] (sic) offensive, considering that the tiny republican abstentionist grouping is opposed to the Irish Peace Process, and has never renounced armed struggle or condemned terrorism and is de facto as sectarian an organisation as many argue the Orange Order is : then - contact the representative groups of the victims of terror in Ireland & demand that protest be registered .

Justice For The Forgotten,
64-66 Lower Gardiner Street,
Dublin 1,
Ireland

Tel No: +353-1-8554300
Fax No: +353-1-8193258

e-mail: 1974bombings [at=nospam]esatlink.com

Also consider contacting your local political and religious representatives that this wanton display of manipulation not go unchallenged."

by Barry Fri Feb 24, 2006 13:37

The only point to this post seems to be an attempt to pressure the victims of the states biggest mass murder into attacking against RSF rather than highlight the links to Loveulster and the Dublin Monaghan bombings . Its a clear attempt to manipulate any public statement they might make and an attempt to muddy the waters about the national scandal which currently exists surrounding this atrocity . These people will no doubt be seriously distressed at the news Robert McConnel will be honoured in the centre of Dublin while theyve been ignored and treated like dirt for decades and this idiot is urging people to send them nuisance e -mails .

The title of the article itself is a clear attempt to portray it as somehow connected to the Justice for the Forgotten campaign . Its a disgrace and highly sinister . I hope it gets removed

If anyone has the tinme to be sending emails i suggest they send them to McDowell asking for an explanation into the files disappearance from garda hq and as to why the mass murderer McConnell is being honoured on the streets of Dublin tomorrow by the UVF .

by Antifa Fri Feb 24, 2006 14:29

This poster has zero concern for the Dublin-Monaghan victims. After years of being ignored, this cynical cowardly troll wants people to harrass the Familes of the Forgotten into condemning the laying of a wreath in their memory by RSF while butchers apron waving loyalist "victims" are to be welcomed marching past the steet that was bombed in their name.

Note the hypocrisy "NO MANIPULATION OF TERROR" - What exactly are "Love Ulster" about with their crude good victim V bad victim propaganda?

Remember the compassion displayed at the time from loyalist quarters?

Sammy Smyth, then press officer of both the Ulster Defence Association (UDA) and the Ulster Workers' Council (UWC) Strike Committee, said, "I am very happy about the bombings in Dublin. There is a war with the Free State and now we are laughing at them."

by uh? Fri Feb 24, 2006 17:15

Laying a wreath to victims both protestant and catholic of the Dublin and Monaghan bombing is another. It is also quite neatly bring our attention to the fact that protestants were killed in those bombings. Yeah indeed Scottish protestants were killed in those bombings, one of an Orange order family.
RSF laying the wreath _for the first time_ on that day, of all days, is lame.

All of Ireland has been and was terrorised systematically . Papist and Dissenter. Atheist and Agnostic for over three decades. That now RSF want to make a point on talbot street to object to the Orange Order is itself *objectionable *. Simply because they are an organisation that has never renounced violence or terrorism. "we'll lay a wreath to all the victims including the orangelad to say eff off to the orange order"?

by iosaf Fri Feb 24, 2006 18:35

Its a healing process and is very very important. I don't believe Ireland is going to get a peace and reconciliation truth commission yet. Probably because there are so many vested interests on all sides and parties to the conflict who don't want the truths to come out.

But I do believe its past time ordinary people of non party affiliation marked the suffering. I was with my da around the corner from Talbot street when the bomb went off. I was very very young, its one of my first memories. But I didn't get maimed. Lay those wreaths. all of you.

the wreaths are overdue.

by iosaf Mon Feb 27, 2006 13:37

Neither side just laid wreaths.

Dublin was thrashed, & citizens were injured. it was obviously going to be. We call it background noise michael, you don't need phone taps and communication intercepts to work out how riots happen. You have an expensively trained police force which was negligently managed last Saturday. Remember that if you go talk to the new recruits. Since indymedia ireland brought attention to the ultra right garage band due to play a gig in Portobello last weekend, it was clear as a diamond that trouble was coming. I am of the impression you wanted that trouble to come and wagered on which side would give it. I am amazed that there are regular contributors to this website who didn't see it. But maybe they're less au fait with background noise. Its almost all there, Michael on the newswire, you don't need to join the editors to read it. And what's not there is on the other websites dedicated to politics, nationalism and unionism. Sure michael, big swinging mickey mc dowell, my old jesuit trained enemy, you could just use google & learn about intelligence and save us all a lot of money on blunt trauma police protection wear, and glazing. How much do you estimate our economy has lost? Our tourism? When you go on minister of justice eu meetings don't they show you videos of riots and point out to you, that you do not allow groups of angry people gather near loose masonry and bricks? ITs coz they throw them Minister. Every time.

So Resign now. You are unfit to manage the department of Justice or direct the Gardaí.

by Michael McDowell Mon Feb 27, 2006 13:53

If Indymedia.ie are to retain their credibility then it is imperative that they sack Iosaf. For too long this Catalonian clown has been bringing Indymedia in to disrepute with his mendacious meanderings. In the interests of sanity, civililisation and the enlightmen; Iosaf must go.

Sack Iosaf and save the Republic!

ps Thanks to ye all for putting the windows in; we'll claim double from the insurance.