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category national | miscellaneous | opinion/analysis author Monday September 01, 2003 12:39author by Yeren - SY (Personal Capacity) Report this post to the editors

Indymedia And The Campaign Of Slander Against the SP And CWI.

Since I joined Socialist Youth a year ago I have noticed an ever increasing level of hostility towards the Socialist Party and the CWI on Indymedia. Not just from contributors but also from those who run IMC. I hope in the following piece to outline the main aspects of the hate campaign against the SP which has taken place here.

1. The Man Who Would be King:

John Throne and his henchman John Reimann never tire in spreading lie after lie about both the SP and the CWI. The facts of the case are simple, Throne and a few cronies were unable to get their policies accepted by the US section. They then undemocratically went off and tried to under mine both the vleadership and the party itself. At a party conference 90% of delegates voted to expel Throne and his sidekicks. How could the question of an appeal arise in those circumstamnces?

John Throne had not been a member of the Irish Section for many years but he bizarrely chooses to turn up at NC meetings and Party Conferences and demands entrance. He also produces documents which are defamatory towards the CWI and then expects to be taken seriously. He was in fact allowed an appeal to the CWI Congress but didnt bother to turn up as it didnt suit him to do so.

2. The Man Who Never Was

Dennis Tourish or should I call him Professor Tourish? Now this is a strange case. Someone, full of his own importance who never rose as high as he hoped in the Irish Section. Unwilling to directly confront Peter Hadden he fled the North and continued his campaign of undermining and attrition from afar.

When this failed miserably he went off to make a career for himself in Academia. He then discovered (like many professional ex communists before him) that he could trade on his former existence as a Trotskyist. But to really make his name he added a new twist. He decided to slander the CWI as being a cult.

Along with another traitor to Trotskyism he wrote this turgid tract. Which so many fools on Indymedia have praised. Effectively Tourish makes a living out of slagging off the Left.

3. The Boy Bolshevik

Marc Mulholland was a precocious type, the original Wunderkind. Raised to the leading bodies of the Party at at such a young age it went straight to his head. He would contenance nobodys council but his own.

I still wonder why he has to lie in his Blog. Why must he attempt to undermine Peter Hadden? A man who has devoted his entire life to combatting Sectarianism. Mulhollands pitiful scrawls pale in comparison to Haddens insightful writings on how working class areas which had been thought to be Loyalist were now rejecting Sectarianism.

His nonsense about Finn Geaney is laughable. Geany chose to run away from the organisation. He had lost the debate and could not accept the consequences.

Marc is now a sad figure kept going only by his hatred for the SP.

4. War And Peace

Perhaps worse of all was the slander campaign run against the SP during the Anti War Campaign. Our support for the Shannon Workers against ultra left attacks was distorted. The fact remains that only Workers Action could have shut Shannon.

The concern of the SP that protestors might be injured due to the elitist actions of a self appointed group who only belueved in direct action was laughed at. Genuine concern and calls for the provision of medical back up was treated as if it was propaganda against action at Shannon.

Joe Higgins subsequent remarks at Shannon were taken compltetly out of context, distorted and used to slander the SP. Pat C and others were allowed to use this and lies about lobbying of the Irish Congress of Trade Unions to carry on a sustained attack on both the SP and the IAWM.


I could go on for a lot longer on how Pat C will not let a week go by without finding some reason to clash with the SP. I could mention other attacks but I do not want to take up anymore of your space. The fact that you publish such patently untrue articles about the SP and CWI brings the entire Indymedoia.ie into disrepute.

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 #   Title   Author   Date 
 1   OK     Daithi    Mon Sep 01, 2003 13:11 
 2   Cult like behavious     Joe    Mon Sep 01, 2003 13:18 
 3   Is this a spoof?     Observer    Mon Sep 01, 2003 13:20 
 4   Agree it looks like a spoof     John Meehan    Mon Sep 01, 2003 13:40 
 5   Agree     Sharon    Mon Sep 01, 2003 13:50 
 6   No Spoof     Yeren    Mon Sep 01, 2003 13:58 
 7   "ravings of embbittered individuals"     Joe    Mon Sep 01, 2003 14:16 
 8   Yeren     Gaucho Rivero    Mon Sep 01, 2003 14:24 
 9   shooting the messenger     ec    Mon Sep 01, 2003 14:34 
 10   Oh my god     Chekov    Mon Sep 01, 2003 14:41 
 11   Previous Attempt To Censor SP     Yeren    Mon Sep 01, 2003 14:44 
 12   Ignore this yeren nonsense     John Meehan    Mon Sep 01, 2003 14:47 
 13   How Do We Know That     Doubter    Mon Sep 01, 2003 14:54 
 14   Ah yes - but you forgot to say that we didn't delete it or downgrade it in the end     ec    Mon Sep 01, 2003 14:56 
 15   Yeren is.....     Gaucho Rivero    Mon Sep 01, 2003 15:03 
 16   Quoting John Meehan     Poisonous Poster    Mon Sep 01, 2003 15:14 
 17   The Name I Use     Yeren    Mon Sep 01, 2003 15:42 
 18   you are not being threatended by censorship     ec    Mon Sep 01, 2003 15:49 
 19   OMIGOD     Doubter    Mon Sep 01, 2003 15:52 
 20   Socialist party denies being a cult!!!!!     anonoymous    Mon Sep 01, 2003 15:54 
 21   Apologies Yeren     Gaucho Rivero    Mon Sep 01, 2003 15:58 
 22   Open letter to SPY member     Sean    Mon Sep 01, 2003 16:05 
 23   cultic?     observer    Mon Sep 01, 2003 16:06 
 24   cop on     Chekov    Mon Sep 01, 2003 16:17 
 25   If only checkov, if only     fingers crossed    Mon Sep 01, 2003 16:34 
 26   60/40 Its For Real     Pat C    Mon Sep 01, 2003 16:55 
 27   Seriously     Aidan    Mon Sep 01, 2003 18:28 
 28   Complete denial     Curiouser and curiouser    Mon Sep 01, 2003 20:22 
 29   Actually it was me! Pat C the patsie!     Patsy    Mon Sep 01, 2003 20:58 
 30   spoof     sp member    Mon Sep 01, 2003 21:28 
 31   SWPer (long standing)     potty    Mon Sep 01, 2003 21:48 
 32   The neverending story.     Brian Cahill    Mon Sep 01, 2003 22:00 
 33   Cahill's comment     Observer    Mon Sep 01, 2003 22:30 
 34   Attacks on SP     .    Mon Sep 01, 2003 22:35 
 35   Brian makes some valid points,     Chekov    Mon Sep 01, 2003 23:18 
 36   Briefly:     Brian Cahill    Mon Sep 01, 2003 23:22 
 37   Chekov     Brian Cahill    Mon Sep 01, 2003 23:49 
 38   Indymedia discussion: last point     observer    Tue Sep 02, 2003 00:17 
 39   well done brian cahill     John Meehan    Tue Sep 02, 2003 00:17 
 40   What do you mean SWP?     SWP? no SWP here    Tue Sep 02, 2003 00:40 
 41   Indys gone mad     John    Tue Sep 02, 2003 01:52 
 42   Log In A Good Idea     pat c    Tue Sep 02, 2003 11:13 
 43   Irony Is Dead     Agent of Chaos    Tue Sep 02, 2003 11:52 
 44   can it be stopped?     .    Tue Sep 02, 2003 12:04 
 45   SP, People In Glass Houses     Magneto    Tue Sep 02, 2003 12:06 
 46   30 hour discussion     .    Tue Sep 02, 2003 12:42 
 47   Not My Point     Magneto    Tue Sep 02, 2003 12:49 
 48   hmmm     .    Tue Sep 02, 2003 13:33 
 49   Hmmm Indeed     Magneto    Tue Sep 02, 2003 13:51 
 50   Magneto say:     dickwatch    Tue Sep 02, 2003 13:58 
 51   Hmmmm again     .    Tue Sep 02, 2003 14:02 
 52   Dear Brian     Irritated    Tue Sep 02, 2003 14:21 
 53   But     Magneto    Tue Sep 02, 2003 14:26 
 54   and that's another thing     just remembered    Tue Sep 02, 2003 14:28 
 55   the issues facing the movement     john throne    Tue Sep 02, 2003 17:09 
 56   New CWI Statement     Doubter    Tue Sep 02, 2003 17:25 
 57   Re: Names     Yossarian    Tue Sep 02, 2003 17:55 
 58   What were the "Cronies" policies?     Richard Mellor    Tue Sep 02, 2003 21:28 
 59   Richard, you are being wound up     AAAAAAAaaaaaaaaarrrrrrgggggghhh    Wed Sep 03, 2003 02:15 
 60   Marc Mulholland     ex-SP    Wed Sep 03, 2003 02:35 
 61   Mulholland's memoirs     Archivist    Wed Sep 03, 2003 10:23 
 62   spoofs     Observer    Wed Sep 03, 2003 10:36 
 63   Mr. Cahill     John Meehaningless    Wed Sep 03, 2003 12:00 
 64   Spoofs and Yeren     Joe    Wed Sep 03, 2003 12:13 
 65   The issues...     Dennis Tourish    Wed Sep 03, 2003 12:34 
 66   Hello     Marc Mulholland    Wed Sep 03, 2003 14:09 
 67   Brian Cahill     1 of IMC    Wed Sep 03, 2003 14:28 
 68   Best bit of Original Writing relevant to the SP / Trolls Flamewar buried here     ec    Wed Sep 03, 2003 14:34 
 69   embarrassing!!!     sean    Wed Sep 03, 2003 14:59 
 70   sean has a point     sp member    Wed Sep 03, 2003 18:22 
 71   Not a point     Chekov    Wed Sep 03, 2003 18:34 
 72   Reply to SP member     Observer    Wed Sep 03, 2003 22:22 
 73   not true     rifondazione    Thu Sep 04, 2003 02:55 
 74   cults     sp member    Thu Sep 04, 2003 11:25 
 75   Brian Cahill     1 Of IMC    Thu Sep 04, 2003 12:32 
 76   Been browsing the SY 'discussion' board     Badman    Thu Sep 04, 2003 15:39 
 77   Debate and cultism     Observer    Thu Sep 04, 2003 15:56 
 78   Also     Aidan    Thu Sep 04, 2003 16:04 
 79   SY Tosh     Agent of Chaos    Thu Sep 04, 2003 17:37 
 80   Ah I dont know     Joe    Thu Sep 04, 2003 18:51 
 81   Funny logic     Badman    Thu Sep 04, 2003 19:05 
 82   yet again the socialist party     .    Thu Sep 04, 2003 21:05 
 83   Agree     Sumdumguy    Fri Sep 05, 2003 00:26 
 84   no snooping involved     Badman    Fri Sep 05, 2003 02:31 
 85   Unity at all costs?     German Communist (1940)    Fri Sep 05, 2003 02:37 
 86   SP Use Intimidation     Agent of Chaos    Fri Sep 05, 2003 11:47 
 87   Two Joes and tosh     Joe    Fri Sep 05, 2003 11:56 
 88   Shitstirring and feckin Kronstadt     Joe(2)    Fri Sep 05, 2003 13:16 
 89   Indymedia needs to change     Kevin    Fri Sep 05, 2003 13:32 
 90   Kevin On Intimidation     Magneto    Fri Sep 05, 2003 13:39 
 91   To Continue     Magneto    Fri Sep 05, 2003 13:42 
 92   SP Democracy - Stalins Airbrush At Work.     Agent of Chaos    Fri Sep 05, 2003 14:28 
 93   Stalins Airbrush It Was!     Agent of Chaos    Fri Sep 05, 2003 14:31 
 94   Disturbing     Hal Silke    Fri Sep 05, 2003 15:43 
 95   Ch-ch-changes     pat c    Fri Sep 05, 2003 15:55 
 96   Samuel Johnson said it best.     Degenerate    Fri Sep 05, 2003 16:13 
 97   The Good Book     Pat c    Fri Sep 05, 2003 16:27 
 98   CWI scandal spreads to Russia     Badman    Fri Sep 05, 2003 16:54 
 99   reality?     hs    Fri Sep 05, 2003 18:15 
 100   New Thread On Sy Site     Watcher    Fri Sep 05, 2003 18:27 
 101   hs: not a real dichotomy     Badman    Fri Sep 05, 2003 18:29 
 102   hs     pat c    Fri Sep 05, 2003 18:31 
 103   dont walk away     sp member (personal capacity)    Fri Sep 05, 2003 22:10 
 104   Socialist Party     sumdumguy    Sat Sep 06, 2003 01:01 
 105   sumdumguy and debate about sp     sp member (personal capacity)    Sat Sep 06, 2003 01:49 
 106   Kevin, only YOU can do it!     Phuq Hedd    Sat Sep 06, 2003 05:09 
 107   just do it     sp member (personal capacity)    Sat Sep 06, 2003 08:16 
 108   To SP Member     Magneto    Sat Sep 06, 2003 19:32 
 109   Stalins Airbrush     Doubter    Sat Sep 06, 2003 19:38 
 110   At issue     sp member (personal capacity)    Sat Sep 06, 2003 21:53 
 111   Interesting analysis     Former CWI supporter    Tue Sep 09, 2003 12:41 
 112   WHO CARES     USELESS    Fri Sep 12, 2003 01:38 
 113   Mr     Jack chickerton    Wed Feb 11, 2004 13:53 
 114   Mr     john aliedere    Fri Mar 05, 2004 12:58 


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