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A dove's guide: how to be an honest critic of the war

category national | miscellaneous | news report author Thursday February 06, 2003 16:21author by Matthew Parris Report this post to the editors

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February 01, 2003

A dove's guide: how to be an honest critic of the war
Matthew Parris

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,1-152-561996,00.html

They say the Devil has all the best tunes and were I a hawk on Iraq I might complain that the doves are enjoying a similar advantage. Our doveish tunes are on every lip. Our case slips easily from the tongue. The hawks’ argument is tricky to articulate and their motives easy to decry. Their frustrated attempts at explanation lead them into tangles that approach black comedy.
A high (or low) point in this farce arrived for me earlier this week while shaving. I was listening to the Foreign Secretary being interviewed on the Today programme. He suggested that Iraqi weapons of mass destruction had been found. A surprised interviewer protested that this was surely not the case. Aha! spluttered the Foreign Secretary, and was that not precisely the point? “The Iraqis have been found to be hiding them.”

Rumsfeld’s Fork: Saddam must show what he has or be indicted for hiding it.

The logic is cracked, of course, unless the undeclared major premise (that the weapons are there) is made explicit. But if the existence of the armoury is the starting point, rather than a possible conclusion, of the inspectors’ work why not just give Saddam 24 hours to lead them to it? Why have they been dashing around, trying to surprise the Iraqis, and asking for more time? Tony Blair’s latest line, that the inspectors are not in Iraq “to play a game of hide-and-seek”, would carry more conviction if the Prime Minister had told us at the outset that he did not expect the inspectors to find anything. Instead the impression is given that the UN team and its British and American sponsors did hope that it might discover weapons but, having failed to, has redefined its job as being available to be shown weapons by the Iraqis themselves.

Thus, and to our doves’ hearts’ content, we may make sport with the arguments of Bush and Blair. But when the mockery dies away do we not have to ask ourselves one awkward little remaining question? What if the undeclared major premise is true? What if the weaponry is there, just as Washington and London believed all along?

I happen to think it might be.

To that one awkward little question we doves should add another. What if the United Nations Security Council does in the end authorise an invasion?

The anti-war camp has invested heavily in what we might call “the UN route”. We have focused our criticism on London and Washington’s habit of hinting that if war is needed it must come with or without the support of the Security Council: the “second resolution”.

Now some of those doves who protest their allegiance to the rule of international law and the authority of the UN are genuine in their beliefs. If that second resolution is finally procured then they will switch from opposing the war to supporting it. That America and Britain might have attacked even without a resolution would not invalidate the attack.

Other doves, however, are being disingenuous. In their hearts they think that invasion is simply wrong, but as they doubt that the UN will authorise it anyway, they find it convenient to rest the argument on the supremacy of the Security Council. If, however, the UN is finally persuaded to legitimise an attack, these doves will not become hawks: they will change tack and complain that the Security Council has been “bullied” into war by Washington’s ultimatum. They will continue to oppose the war.

That is their right, but such a position would be wholly inconsistent with their earlier support for the rule of international law, for now it will be they who are flouting the UN. If the Security Council does agree a second resolution then, regardless of whether we like the pressure it was under to do so, we had better prepare for the possibility that the UN sanctions force.

Because I happen to think it might.

An invasion will follow. So here is another question the thoughtful dove should be asking himself. What if the invasion goes well?

Military prophecy is a field in which the peaceniks’ position has become dangerously exposed. For many of us, opposition in principle came before the practical doubts we trumpet. Of course, doves do exist whose only reason for opposing attack is that they think that it will fail, and of course it might, but every candid peacenik, reciting the military risks, should examine his motives and ask whether these are really his reason for opposing war. Would he be ready to admit that he had been wrong to oppose the war if an attack proved quick, straightforward and relatively unbloody?

Because I happen to think it might.

And after that? What if, once Saddam and his regime have been routed, the European Arabists’ predictions of mayhem prove wrong? When doves insist that even if the war succeeds the peace will fail, how firmly do we attach ourselves to that argument? Would we still oppose war, even if we could be persuaded that it would bring a better Iraq?

Because I happen to think it might.

Suppose it does. A determined dove can still disapprove of that outcome, on the ground that whether or not the Iraqi people like their new government the Islamic world in general will be outraged at the interference. “Moderate Arab opinion” (whatever that cloudy thing, much prayed-in-aid these days, may be) will be insulted, and world peace will be the loser. Many doves predict this today. Would such a commentator admit that his opposition to war had been wrong, if countries like Egypt, Tunisia and Morocco join the chorus of approval for American intervention?

Because I happen to think they might.

Like the admiral who gave 12 reasons for not firing a salute, the twelfth of which was that he had no powder, a certain kind of doveish commentator’s position can be summed-up thus: “I’m against war because I’m not convinced Iraq is harbouring weapons of mass destruction, but even if they are I’m against war because the UN has not authorised it, but if they do I’m against war because an invasion would prove a military fiasco, but even if it didn’t I’m against war because toppling Saddam would destabilise Iraq, but even if it didn’t I’m against war because it will antagonise moderate Arab opinion.”

This will not do. It is not honest. As an avowed dove, let me warn of seven deadly pitfalls for fellow doves:

1) Don’t kid yourself that Saddam might really have nothing to hide. Of course he does. He’s a mass-murderer and an international gangster: a bad man running a wicked Goverment; the British Prime Minister and the US President are good men running good Governments.

2) Don’t hide behind the UN. The organisation may in the end be browbeaten into “authorising” an attack. If it really is your judgment that an attack would be morally wrong or practically hazardous, how could UN endorsement make it wise?

3) Don’t count on France, Germany or Russia to maintain their opposition to war. They may just be holding out for improved offers.

4) Don’t attach yourself to predictions about the military outcome. If the Pentagon thinks an invasion could easily succeed, the Pentagon may be right.

5) Don’t become an instant pundit on internal Iraqi politics, and how Shias, Kurds and Sunnis will be at each other’s throats when Saddam falls. You do not know that.

6) Don’t assume that moderate Arab opinion will be outraged. Moderate Arab opinion likes winners. America may be the winner.

7) Don’t get tangled up in conspiracy theories about oil. It is insulting to many principled and intelligent people in the British and US administrations to say that this can be understood as an oil-grabbing plot. Besides, you drive a car, don’t you? Is the security of our oil supplies not a consideration in foreign policy?

Don’t, in summary, dress up moral doubt in the garb of wordlywise punditry. Give warning, by all means, of the huge gamble that allied plans represent, but if all you are talking is the probabilities, say so, and prepare to be vindicated or mocked by the outcomes. We are very quick to aver that Tony Blair will be discredited and humiliated if the war goes wrong. Will we be discredited and humiliated if the war goes right? If the basis of our objection was that the war would fail, that should follow.

I do not think that the war, if there is a war, will fail. I can easily envisage the publication soon of some chilling facts about Saddam’s armoury, a French and German scamper back into the fold, a tough UN second resolution, a short and successful war, a handover to a better government, a discreet change of tune in the biddable part of the Arab world, and egg all over the peaceniks’ faces.

I am not afraid that this war will fail. I am afraid that it will succeed.

I am afraid that it will prove to be the first in an indefinite series of American interventions. I am afraid that it is the beginning of a new empire: an empire that I am afraid Britain may have little choice but to join.

author by Graham Caswellpublication date Thu Feb 06, 2003 17:45author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I don't drive a car but I do have a question. If an oil-grab can be dismissed as a conspiricy theory and not a reason for war, why is it a relevant consideration in foreign policy?

The entire economy of the western world depends on oil and a relatively small increase in oil prices has serious economic consequences. America's economy is by far the most dependent on oil.

In 1979 when America was much less dependent on oil there was a coup in which America's client regime in Iran was overthrown by Islamic fundamentalists (really -look it up). Iran is the third largest producer in the Middle East and the distruption to its oil supplies caused oil prices to triple. In the UK the result was that unemployment started climbing by 100,000 per month and between 1979 and 1983 went from 1m to 4m.

The fact that 16 of the 19 men who hurt America so badly on September 11th were Saudi illustrates the very real possibility of a similar coup in Saudi Arabia. And don't forget, half of the remaining 4 Middle East oil suppliers are part of Bush's axis of evil. There's also the issue of the approach of oil global peak production and of the US financing its record trade deficits through international use of the dollar for oil - now threatened by Iraq.

These are only conspirecy theories to those ignorant of the fact and, in the lack of evidence for the declared reason, it is quite reasonable to suggest that it is oil that is driving the American rush to war.

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author by Paul Moloneypublication date Thu Feb 06, 2003 17:53author address author phone Report this post to the editors

An honest answer: if oil is the number 1
concern of an American administration,
can you explain why:

* there was no Iraqi invasion during
the Gulf war by Bush Snr, when there
would have been a perfect excuse to.

* There was no invastion in the past
12 years.

?

P.

author by silopublication date Thu Feb 06, 2003 18:35author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Simple answer to that one.

The issue is about access to, and control of, resources (in this case, oil). This is easily shortened to the somewhat misleading statement of this being a "war for oil". It is, rather, a war for control of oil. Not for the oil itself (most american supplies come from South America and other non-mideast areas), but the lever of world power that results from control of it.

Bush Snr didn't march to Baghdad because he wanted a coup by senior military officers against Saddam Hussein in order to have a veneer of change (a new, not-so-embarrassing leader) on top of an identical system, which could then have been lauded for it's "slow transition to democracy" (current example of this method: Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Colombia, etc).

Unfortunately for Bush Snr, Saddam Hussein was ruthless enough to maintain his power (at an unknown cost, but likely with massive loss of life), so the strategy changed to containment through sanctions and bombing, all still aimed at an internal coup and eventual client state in the region. War has always been a distinct possibility, and September 11th has provided a handy pretext (see ludicrous "Saddam has ties with Osama" claims, including the cover of today's Irish Sun.

author by murtangpublication date Thu Feb 06, 2003 18:44author address author phone Report this post to the editors

What exactly do you mean by relatively unbloody? Only tens of thousands killed?
Relatively unbloody compared to the genocide that has been carried out against the civilians of Iraq for the past twelve years?
Have you read about the 'Shock and Awe' technique that the 'good guys' are planning on carrying out? They plan to launch about 800 cruise missiles in the first two days. More than were launched in the entire Gulf war 1.
A lot of what you say is opinion-Bush and Blair are both evil men running bad governments.
It is insulting to a lot of people to say that this is not, at least in a large part, about oil. Wars are often fought to protect foreign interests, that does not make it right, or mean that we should support the slaughter of thousands of innocent people because it might save us a few quid on petrol.
Scott Ritter, ex-head of the UN arms inspectors says that Iraq has been effectively disarmed through inspectors. He says that they do not have the capacity to produce or use chemical, biological, nuclear or long-range weapons.
I know an awful lot of people don't have any faith in the Security council. It is a completely ridiculous idea that these countries are commited to peace. It is a completely undemocratic organisation. There are five self elected presidents-for-life, who also happen to be in the top seven arms sellers in the world(figures 93-96) - a recipe for global stability if ever I heard one.

author by Phuq Heddpublication date Thu Feb 06, 2003 19:53author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I for one don't support the UN security council. It's an undemocratic body an should be reformed. Security Council decisions should be subject to mandate of the General Assembly rather than be a priveleged body of permanent members with occasional whitewash presence from bootlickers like Ireland.

I think the point is though, that the US can't EVEN get the currently skewed-in-their-favour rules of the UN to legitimise their attack.

Powell's performance was the most pathetic and lame presentation that I've ever seen and was intended for US domestic consumption more than anything else (after all with so many people believing in the Devil and UFOs there's a good chance it'll work). Interestingly it is reported that most major media (the National Public Radio networks, CNN, ABC etc) showed _only_ Powell's speech and then cut off the contributions from the other members of the Council. The good news is that although there was a brief rise of a couple of percent support for the hawk-position it has dropped back.

author by depppublication date Thu Feb 06, 2003 20:22author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Just because a bank robber doesn't rob every bank he passes doesn't mean he's not a bank robber

author by iosafpublication date Thu Feb 06, 2003 20:46author address author phone Report this post to the editors

some say the devil is dead.
the devil is dead.
and bureied in Killarny.

author by Phuq Heddpublication date Thu Feb 06, 2003 23:02author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I disagree with him on the issue of SUV drivers specifically, I think their choice to drive SUVs is one of selfish stupidity. He tries to make it sounds as though it's their only option to the non-existent bus, but they could drive a Saturn or something. Anyway, the bit I do like comes towards the end:

" It is undoubtedly true that a large part of the Bush administration's motivation for going to war with Iraq is increasing U.S. control over Middle Eastern oil resources. But this isn't primarily to satisfy the needs of U.S. consumers.

Oil is the most important commodity in the world, vital for both industry and the military. Even when consumer demand was much lower, Washington still wanted to control the world's oil supplies. In the 1940s, the State Department described the Middle East's oil as "a stupendous source of strategic power, and one of the greatest material prizes in world history." This is the reason why the U.S. has intervened repeatedly in the Middle East over the past half century.

Capitalist economies aren't driven by consumer demand, but by the need of capitalists to make profits. If we want to change the nature of the system--including its tendency to destroy the environment and its drive towards war--we need to change the way production is organized, not point moralistic fingers at SUV drivers or other consumers. "

Again, I think it should be not JUST point moralistic fingers at SUV drivers, but he's on the money otherwise.

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author by Kathrynpublication date Fri Feb 07, 2003 03:34author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The reason they did not go on to Baghdad during Desert Storm was that the coalition wouldn't hold together to support it. At the time they were not prepared to risk it without the coalition/Saudis/etc. Plenty of US military people who wanted to keep the momentum going to Baghdad at that time are not in favor of this war.

I'm not into maths, but I think
oil = money = power

author by murtangpublication date Fri Feb 07, 2003 18:11author address author phone Report this post to the editors

During the first gulf war, The U.S encouraged the iraqi people to rise up against Saddam. They did, and were doing quite well. The Americans however did not support them, after urging them to do this. Instead, they aided saddam's forces, flying their planes over helicopters that were brutally destroying the revolution. U.S didn't know wether the new would-be rulers would be compatible with western interests.
See John Pilger's film on the UN sanctions against Iraq.

author by pat cpublication date Sun Feb 09, 2003 17:53author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Or better still, read Pilgers book: The New Rulers of the World (Verso). It gives a lot more detail about the betrayal of the Kurds & the Marsh arabs.

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