I request the right to vote.

by D. McC Thu Jan 23, 2003 13:48

would that mean 44 million americans would want to help run our little island too?

by iosaf Thu Jan 23, 2003 13:56

I am a citizen of Ireland.
I am Irish born.
I request to vote in Irish General and European Elections.
In accordance with European practise.
Ireland is the ·only· country that does not offer voting rights to its citizens in the EU.
I am not arguing for the 40million US votes.
Their legal position is not tenable.
No voting without taxation treats poorly upon the most vulnerable members of our society the prisoners, sick, infirm, students that do not pay tac does it not SP?
You can not legally argue that I do not under the presnet constitution have a right to representation in the Irish legislature.
I would of course welcome reform of that little blue book. I believe we have opened that debate.

a little poem by Nuala:

mo mhile stór

idtús shaoil do mheallais mé
i dtráth m´óige, trí mo bhoige.
Thiugis go maith
go bhféadfaí mo cheann a chasadh
le trách ar chúirteanna aoldaite
ar chodladh go socair i gcuilteanna
de chlúmh lachan,
ar lámhainní de chraiceann éisc.

Ansan d´imís ar bord loinge,
chuireas mo mhíle slán i do chionne,
chuireas suas le bruíon is le bearradh
ó gach taobh; bhí tráth ann
go bhféadfainn mo chairde a chomhaireamh
ar mhéireanna aon láimhe amháin,
ach ba chuma.

Thugais uait cúrsa an tsaoil
is d´fhillis abhaile.
Tháinig do long i dtír
ar mo leaba.
Chlúdaíos le mil thú
is chonal go raibh do ghruaig
fachta liath is díreach.

Fós i mo chuimhní
tánn tú bachallach,
tá dhá chocán déag i do chúl buí
cas.

·-· Nuala ní Dhomhnaill ·-·

by sticky bricky - neither sticky nor bricky Thu Jan 23, 2003 14:02 stickybricky at hotmail dot com barcelona EU.

At my life´start you caoxed me
in my youth, through my softness.
You knew well
my head would be turned
by talk of lime-white courts,
of sleeping sound in quilts
of eiderdown,
of fish skin gloves.

Then you boarded ship
my thousand farewells went with you.
I put up with sarcasm and strife
from wither side; there was a time
I counted my friends on fingers
of one hand.
But it didn´t matter.

You gave up the world´s way
and came back home
our ship docked
on my bed
I covered you with honey
and saw your hair
was straight and grey.

But still in my memory
you are ringleted:
you have twelve knots
in your curly yellow
locks.

Mo Mhile Stór by Nuala ní Dhomhnaill.

¿¿¿¿¿Do you think the Irish resident in the EU do not understand either Irish issues or European politics?????

I want the right to vote in the constituency of my birth.
pretty please with nuala on top.

by Ray Thu Jan 23, 2003 14:20

Why should you get a vote in the constituency of your birth? You're not affected by any decisions made there. You should have a vote* in the place you are normally resident.

*in all elections - council, parliamentary, presidential, and European.

by pat c Thu Jan 23, 2003 15:07

vat, excise etc on practically every product or service.

by gaillimhed Thu Jan 23, 2003 17:17

surely only those that stick around are entitled to vote, what sort of a mess would we have with a huge non-resident minority adding their voting weight to irish elections etc, yet not having to deal with the consequences.

by Iosaf Macdiarmada Thu Jan 23, 2003 20:22

where the decisions made effected all Irish resident in Ireland.
I live with voting rights in an EU state which after the introduction of the EU constitution will have more effect on your lives than the Dail.

I know my constituency well.

Under Irish law and precedent there is no bar on my representing a constituency without holding residency in the state.
If I may serve the Irish constituency of my birth why do tell can I not hold the right to vote in it?

by Iosaf Macdiarmada Thu Jan 23, 2003 20:23

i believe I have a constituency.

by no way Sun Jan 26, 2003 19:57

Why should someone that does not live here and is not bound by decisions made here have a vote?

I would argue for the right to vote for ALL people resident in Ireland, not just Irish citizens (and UK citizens for Dáil elections, EU citizens for Euro Parl.)

Also, there are more Irish citizens not in the state than outside! On the electoral register is over 2 million. There are about 5 million Irish citizens over 18 in Britain alone!!

by suggesting mr mac. Thu Nov 13, 2003 23:29

poland
cyprus
ireland.
I have always yawnyawn suggested "€U". wherever the velvet wall may be placed.
I have always yawnywawn suggested constituency of birth.
oh & that one would yawn yawn relinquish reciprocal enfranchisment in the constituency of habitual residency.
-like if i can't understand what they're saying how can i vote for them?
-like if i can understand what they're saying how can i vote for them?
now most who are "_interested_" in the constituency of habitual residency would not readily consider relinquishing such _"interest"_ as it yawn yawn spoon feed them would run counter "Kontra!" to what is cutely termed the "established _interest_".

this campaign is not yet a year old.

by exiled Fri Nov 14, 2003 12:02

Most exiles who would vote in Irish elections are indeed out of touch. They are not very likely to vote along class lines ie against cuts or for cuts. This is because it does not affect them. They are motivated to vote primarily on nationalistic lines. The reason they vote and go to the bother of registering etc is because they have a deep sense of attachment to Ireland and are likely to be Irish nationalists. Therefore the romantic idea of 'Getting the Brits out' or 'Keeping Ireland nice rural and pure' will have alot of weight with these people. I would predict that these people are more likely to vote Sinn Féin and right wing nationalist parties.

This is the experience in every other country that has given votes to their diaspora abroad. I would say that there is a case to give votes to those who are only working abroad on a temporary basis. Also full voting rights should be extended to ALL residents in Ireland over 18, including all immigrants, asylum seekers and migrant workers..

by SP Fri Nov 14, 2003 12:05

There is no SP member called Ken McDonnell.

by hs - sp Fri Nov 14, 2003 17:44

i'm with you, most western countries allow it.

by padraic - wsm Fri Nov 14, 2003 17:55

sure don't you know its all a scam anyway?

http://struggle.ws/election.html

by iosaf -O as IF- sofia Fri Feb 18, 2005 17:15

which I am led to understand Giscard d'Estang wrote well.
It has now been over two years since the 23rd day of January when I requested the right to vote.

I am mindful that neither Beethoven or Schiller had the right to vote in the Europe of their lives, and perhaps the fererre rocher crew have overlooked that little detail.

Indeed they also overlooked many other details.

My right to vote.
either in the EU member state where I dwell or the in the contituency of my birth. (if i may legally represent the constituency of my birth [if elected] in local, national and european assemblies why may I not have the right to vote there?) I am just one of more than 2 million nomadic EU citizens who are disenfranchised by accepting the "european dream" and bothering to enjoy a milky coffee in another state and work amongst the locals and not just get a cheap flight there and drunkenly seek to get shagged.

The right to a home.
It seems to me that this basic right which was enshrined in the post War constitutions of the new member states of the East of the EU is an important one to preserve for all Europeans.

The right to health care.
We mostly get sick, the flu, cough, atishoo atishoo we all fall down.

The right to a job.
We do not readily believe that Alan Greenspan's economic system which allows for permenant unemployment in the region of 4% may happily guarantee a future Europe which will not see extremist xenophobic politics re-assert themselves.

these are 5 reasons.
make it simple.