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Apache helicopters for Libya

category international | sci-tech | other press author Friday May 27, 2011 14:03author by Lofty Report this post to the editors

British prime minister David Cameron gave authorisation yesterday for Apache attack helicopters to start flying into Libya. It is expected that the helicopters will be deployed within 24 hours.
Defence analyst Rear Admiral Chris Parry, said in an interview with the BBC this week that , if the Apaches were used for assault operations and in reinforcing the rebels in their attacks on the Gaddafi regime, it "could be seen as an escalation " of the western military intervention .
Parry said that the helicopters’ electro-optics and command and control systems were their main strength . The attack helicopters have been used extensively by UK forces in Afghanistan where they have been providing “ deterrence, intelligence and close air support for hours at a time “.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindi....html

author by Loftypublication date Fri May 27, 2011 14:06author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The capacity Apache helicopters have for killing can be seen in footage obtained by Bradley Manning in 2007 showing the crew of an Apache killing 12 civilians in Baghdad .
See this link and comments:
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2010/04/448719.html?c=on.

author by Serfpublication date Fri May 27, 2011 14:38author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Google has deliberately put the original "collateral murder" link behind a sign in procedure to reduce hits

Instead, here's an al jazeera commentary which contains most of the footage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zok8yMxXEwk

Also has julian assange commenting. worth a watch

You're right of course, those 30mm cannons are evil and very destructive weapons

author by Loftypublication date Sun May 29, 2011 17:10author address author phone Report this post to the editors

It was announced earlier today that the Royal Air Force operating in Libya is to get 2,000lb Enhanced Paveway III bombs which are capable of penetrating the roofs of reinforced buildings. The short press release said that the bombs are prepared to be deployed "within hours". The MOD did not disclose whether depleted uranium was used in the manufacture of the bombs, but it seems likely. Conn Hallinan , a columnist with Foreign Policy in Focus , told RT earlier this month that , after examining the impact wounds left on tanks in Libya, he is "almost certain" that depleted uranium is already being being utilized in Libya.

The British MoD said the bombs “would help to protect civilians from being targeted by Libyan leader Colonel Muammar Gaddafi's regime”.

author by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite partypublication date Mon May 30, 2011 11:23author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Gotta keep the morale up..

EUseful US/EU-phemisms
EUseful US/EU-phemisms

author by loftypublication date Mon Jun 06, 2011 11:31author address author phone Report this post to the editors


“British and French assault helicopters began operations over key Libyan cities on Saturday, marking a significant escalation of NATO’s war of aggression in the North African state.”
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2011/jun2011/liby-j06.shtml

According to wikipedia ,the Westland Apache attack helicopter used by British forces have been modified to carry up to 76 CRV7 rockets:
“The CRV7 is a controversial weapon as it has been classified as a cluster bomb; it is alleged that a single Apache could deliver as many as 684 bomblets in one attack. In May 2008, several senior officers, such as General David Ramsbotham spoke out against British plans to keep the weapon.[28][29] In the same month, Britain, as one of the 111 participating nations, agreed to ban cluster bombs on humanitarian grounds.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AgustaWestland_Apache

author by V for vendettapublication date Mon Jun 06, 2011 14:44author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I was in favour of offering some protection for the inhabitants of Bhenghazi from gadaffi's aircraft etc. but this has gone way too far. As usual, those involved just used a humanitarian mission to further their imperial / corporate agendas. This is yet another illegal war.

author by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite partypublication date Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:53author address author phone Report this post to the editors

..caught on the instamatic..

..of the crew fitting some fresh democracy to our state-of-the-art delivery system
..of the crew fitting some fresh democracy to our state-of-the-art delivery system

author by Computer Geek.publication date Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:42author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The title of the thread was the Apache helicopter.
Fearsome machines really do win wars.

The English used the Welsh Longbow to fling millions of arrows over the French army in the "100 Years War."
The French army was wiped out.

author by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite partypublication date Wed Jun 08, 2011 12:15author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Lets divert altogether into Apache Wars.

The issue becomes the ethics of might over right. Where 'right' requires some analysis of the ethics of the matter, something that seems to escape your flexible stance. The issue can be interpreted as the hardware, or the human responsibility for the use of such.

Yours seems to be a position of indifference to ethics, and a childish fixation on the war-toys, rather than the consequences of this imperial aggression under the false flag of 'democracy and the protection of civilians', by regimes with a history of indiscriminate militarist brutality against civilian populations, and in a climate of increasing escalation under pretenses to moral and ethical superiority, even as debate is crushed by oscurantist propaganda and diversionary tactics such as you appear to be attempting to insinuate.

I suggest you're interests might be better served on one of Jane's weapons sites, where these toys are the wet-dreams of the underdeveloped and immature.

Am I over-assuming?Or do you believe the only issue of interest in discussion of the European wars against the native Americans, and other indiginous civilisation, is the calibre of the rifle, the throw-weight of delivery systems, and the kill-rate of the ordnance?

I remain, open to correction.

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