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‘Give me your name and address or I’ll rape you’: the reality of Corrib policing![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Prominent Gardaí accidentally record their own disturbing conversation
‘Give me your name and address or I’ll rape you’: Gardaí in Co Mayo have been recorded talking about threatening to rape a woman in their custody. The Gardaí, including a Sergeant, have been prominent in policing protests against Shell’s inland gas refinery. Audio Recording of the Alleged Threat (edited)
The Gardaí arrested two campaigners last Thursday (March 31st, 2011) near a Shell compound at Aughoose and seized their video camera. They inadvertently allowed the camera to continue recording in the squad car in which they travelled the 20km to Belmullet Garda station. The two women travelled in two other Garda cars in the same convoy.
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Banter as part of your job is one thing. In the corporate world, if an employee joked about raping a client with a colleague, and was found out, they would be dealt with severely, and in the majority of cases it would lead to dismissal on the grounds of gross misconduct!!! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() This is deeply shocking and clearly shows the abuse of power by some Gardai involved in policing the Corrib protests.The Justice Minister should order an enquiry into this latest incident and also re-visit the numerous other complaints made to the Garda omnbudsman over the last five years.It appears that certain Gardai have made it their ambition to blindly support Shell and IRMS regardless .Their first duty is to protect those who practice their constitutional right to protest.These same Gardai do nothing to improve the situation there ,their manner provocative, abusive and bullyish.The recent behaviour of IRMS personnel abusing residents in their cars must also be investigated. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Absolutely disgraceful remarks and I hope they are punished. Let's not start painting all guards with that brush though... These two are a disgrace. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Article 10, I'd agree wholeheartedly with your analysis of the Gardai's role, and think that any constitutional reminder is always a jarring and effective way of giving some perspective to our current situation, but with regard to the comment, "That the force recruits among rapist and other degenerates does not surprise me", I think that this is needlessly inaccurate and somewhat sensationalist, when based on the issue of the leaked recording. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Of course, most gardai are just decent people trying to do their job, ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() "Secretly taping the cops" it was them that forgot to switch the video camera off in the first place...it hardly constitutes secret taping, and it wouldn't have even been an issue if they hadn't said such damaging things. In this case one could truly say, they have brought this down upon their own heads. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() reality check. a couple of biffos in a car, having a borderline joke, crude, ignorant, sexist, and of zero taste. yes. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() This story is making my blood boil! I work in nursing and from time to time you see things and hear things that would make titilating conversation HOWEVER in your code of conduct you are NEVER to discuss your patients in a personal manner. Remember these girls were in the CARE of the guardai while these comments were made. . I can only assume that everyone working in services (fire dept, guardai, health care, social welfare office) have an obligation to conduct themselves in a professional manner let alone THREATENING REMARKS. I hope these spineless fools go down for this... however I won't hold my breath! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() The girls weren't in their care. They were somewhere else with different Gardaí. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() This is a piece I originally wrote on UK indy in response to the issue of sex between female activists and the undercover cop Kennedy/ Stones operating in England, Ireland, Europe ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() can`t believe you call publishing the truth sickening! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() "The girls weren't in their care. They were somewhere else with different Gardaí. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() "I'm very saddened by the way this has come out and the media coverage of it" ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Thanks for posting this. The same police who turned a blind eye to clerical abuse in Ireland. Truly depressing. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Sergeant"like some of the auld timers who were here in the first and second campaign,I,ll tell you one thing,the decisions that were made policing at that time" Did the sergeant mean the baton charge,or the horrendous brutality of the digger at mcgraths pier,or the attacks on selected members of the community,thebeating of environmental award winner Willie Corduff,the sinking of Pat Odonnells boat endangering two lives,or maybe the countless mindless attacks on other peaceful protestors.How many prosecutions or follow up enquiries has there been?We need an independant body to monitor Gardai investigating Gardai. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I grew up in Australia in the '70's and had to run the gauntlet of Irish jokes eg. we're all thick ignorant terrorists...aboriginal people have bee running their own gauntlet for 200 years and are still running it...these jokes expressed real attitutdes of those telling them ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Rascist Sexist Gardaí advocating and threatening rape is nothing new, look at the behaviour of Kilkenny Hurler Garda Eddie Brennan and Garda William Dempsey in Tallaght these transcripts of an interrogation were released about 10 years ago: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I have been on more protests than I care to mention and I have always heard protesters use language as bad, worse or much worse than the guards at Corrib used. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() "It is the normal way ordinary people deal with stress. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() The problem about reading transcriptions of conversations is that you have no idea of the emotions the people used to express themselves. Whether they were serious or flippant or joking. You get no idea of context what relates to what. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() "The women were not present while the conversation took place. They were not meant to hear it." ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Garda in Mayo took revenge for the publication of the Corrib cops rape threat video yesterday by attacking Shell to Sea campaigners during another protest near the site where the women were arrested. Alongside this there are clear indications of a dirty tricks campaign being waged by the Garda Press Office. The fact that Garda from the same division felt confident attacking the friends of the women only hours after the so called investigation had been announced by the Garda Press office demonstrates exactly how serious they expected such an investigation to be. These actions confirm that the rape threat as an interrogation method discussion captured on the video is not simply an issue of the Garda directly involved on the video but indicative of the brutal nature of policing in the area where individual Garda continue to expect to have a free hand in attacking campaigners. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Here is a 2:10 long video of the conversation that Mayo Gardaí had talking about threatening to rape a woman in their custody Caption: Video Id: CacPP-ZIslU Type: Youtube Video ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() 9 out of 10 complaints about Garda unlawful behaviour, assaults to ombudsman are then, themselfs charged with trump up perjured crimes against Garda, tied up in court for years in some cases. There is then perjury about crimes that did not happen and the complaint is ignored. What happened last week if you were to really look at what happened, The American girl was only filming what was happening when the camera was knocked forcefully out of her hands to the ground, as she was grabbed and threatened with arrest. It was then picked up by Garda while the girl stated that she was doing nothing wrong, just filming the protest. She was arrested and the Garda put her camera away in her bag an started talking about what they would do to her. There should now be a serious review from the Justice Department as to the perjured way the policing is applied down in Rossport. Everyone knows this Sgt name as he has immunity, He's one of $hells boys that monitor what's going on for them. It's a pretty sad state of affairs what is really going on. I watched with my own eyes a large Garda fold his arms and used them to smash into a young females chest and force her into a fence that bent with force so that he hurt her, why else would he do such a thing, but sheer disregard for this persons well being and safety. The way things are going down here, someone going to get really hurt or worse from the force the Garda are using. Who is giving the orders to use such force against peaceful protesters, When the cab drivers shut down Dublin for the day protesting, the Garda do not assault them or threaten to deport them or what sgt. ...... stated he would do to her. how do you know he was joking just because the others were laughing sad state of affairs the Garda are in now. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() When a police force is encouraged to act like criminals we should not be surprised if they become criminals. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() There was an article by Gerry O'Carroll, retired detective, famous for his right wing opinions. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() hey all, wondering if anyone out there would be up for a little demonstration at the garda ombudsman office on abbey st. sometime this week? As usual, the garda are investigating themselves, so don't expect too much to come of the investigation. Anyone have any ideas? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() just want to say, that garda ombudsman is "independent" of guardie, only problem is that they have no power...even after they investigate the cases, the case is past onto DPP who IS guarda and he decides if ppl (guardie) involved are going to be prosecuted or not. mostly they`re not, there has been over 100 complaints submitted in last couple years with no result... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() What is most depressing is the way those in power and their media have managed to tidy this 'embarrasing' incident away. What they have done over the past 48 hours is quickly define it as: a) a disciplinary issue concerning only a few 'bad' Guards and b) an issue that only concerns rape/respect for women etc. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() exactly gerry. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() There are two protests being planned to respond to this. One will be a silent protest in Dublin at 1 pm Friday outside the Dail; more details at the link below. The other is being organised outside Belmullet garda station on Saturday at 2 pm; more details to follow. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Whats the difference between Ireland and the Niger delta? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() News from todays Irish Times...
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Here is how I predict this debacle will impact on policing of the Corrib project. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() is it a question of martyrdom really? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I think that arresting anybody who breaks a law is the only course, any other action is wrong. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Bertie Ohearn broke the law when he gave away the Irish Natural Resources to the tune of up to Trillions of euros, that belonged to the Irish People. Thats the BIGGEST CRIME HERE, so please come down and help the people of Erris help you get back what is rightfully the Irish peoples future. Not the IMF, Delay them until we have a Gov. that has the balls to stand up to $hell; who by the way is Barclays Bank of England who owns 54.6 million shares and is the majority share holder along with other Banks out side of the Republic of Ireland. How sick is that, that Ireland have to borrow money from the banks that Bertie gave away our Natural Resources to. Stand strong and be part of Irish History. Sea you all this weekend ::: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() The Aarhus Convention. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() What the hell does 'confused local majority' mean? Anybody who's still confused about what's going on here after all that's been ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Why are our brave Gardai not insisting that these laws be ratified in Ireland? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Further actions in Rossport today ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() This is also covered here- ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() - Report on Dail protest against rape comments by gardai GARDAÍ IN north Mayo have initiated inquiries into alleged threats made to a contact supplying information on the Corrib gas project to a British whistleblowers’ website. http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0411/1....html copied at http://royaldutchshellplc.com/2011/04/11/gardai-investi...wers/
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() "Gardaí investigate alleged death threats to Corrib whistleblowers" ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Why has there been so much support in the mainstream media for the Garda at the centre of the Corrib ‘rape tape’? Why have the protestors been vilified even when, in this instance at least, they are clearly not in the wrong. Contrast the attitude of ‘ah sure, they were only messing’ with how protestors like Maura Harrington have had the details of their personal life raked over by the gutter press, whether it had anything to do with the Corrib gas project or not. Ms. Harrington has never joked about raping anyone but she has tried to do what our so-called leaders have utterly failed to do – that is, to act in our best interest. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() A file has been sent to the DPP because of a facebook page making racist comments about travellers. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Have just read this post today - must have missed it at the date posted because I would have gone to 'Latest comments' recently and have only taken the time to read the full thread today. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Surely you agree racist sites should be closed and prosecutions pursued?That reads as though you think Travellers are fair game. No less than women, Travellers and immigrants face a lot of entrenched and idiotic bigotry, often wrapped in 'joke' form. I'm not beyond indulging in such half-witticism meself, but only when i know the listener has a grain of irony in their makeup. The wrong eavesdroper can take it as affirmation of their bigotted outlooks otherwise. And facebook IS influential, particularly with the young and pliable. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() No of course I don't condone hate speech. Both are serious cases and should be treated as such. |
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I'm not going to say anymore. It would be incitement and I'd intend it that way...
If you want to follow this discussion on twitter as well as here follow #CorribCops
The Vimeo video is kind of buried. Here is the link again:
http://vimeo.com/21952231
The crucial segment starts at 13 min 30 sec
The woman with the camera appears to have been arrested "for resisting arrest". It is a bizarre and abusive interaction with a member of the public in a public place.
The others who believe that the threat of rape is an appropriate remark, and those who think it suitable amusement in a workplace, are seriously unfit for Garda employment.
I have no idea how long a programme of training and rehabilitation might take (I could spin it out well beyond a year, with assessments) and I think the whole lot of them should be immediately suspended on unpaid leave for that purpose. The (threatened) rapist should just be dismissed - I hope to see his name published before the end of the day.
When An Garda Síochána was founded at the beginning of the state, it was to defend the people after years of abuse under the brit backed RIC. They have since degenerated into an oppressive political force who's main function is to maintain a corrupt elite in power. That the force recruits among rapist and other degenerates does not surprise me.
Garda Siochana Act 2005 - Section 7
Function of Garda Síochána.
7.—(1) The function of the Garda Síochána is to provide policing and security services for the State with the objective of—
(a) preserving peace and public order,
(b) protecting life and property,
(c) vindicating the human rights of each individual,
(d) protecting the security of the State,
(e) preventing crime,
(f) bringing criminals to justice, including by detecting and investigating crime, and
(g) regulating and controlling road traffic and improving road safety.
In reality section d is the most important of all the functions, even if it means engaging in rape.
There was an attempt to discuss on politics.ie when the news story broke in the Irish Times last night. But the thread was deleted.
Politics.ie
But as usual the pie cretins are taking the side of the cops sauying the women should be prosecuted for secretly taping the cops etc.
pie is a cesspit.
http://www.politics.ie/environment/157520-shocking-tape....html
Rape is all too common a crime in Ireland and to hear these two "guardians of the peace" using this language is disgusting, shameful and makes them incapable of doing their job. They should be booted out without delay, however, I won't hold my breath.
Rape of women and rape of our environment. As a man, I hang my head in shame.
Many posters to PIE are gardai and there are always biased comments made in favour of Shell and their cops both gardai and IRMS.
This is an ongoing political crime assisted by Gardai, Judges, and politicians many of whom have shares in companies who in turn are major shareholders in SHell. A phony Garda ombudsman who pretends to do his duty is just a scapegoat to avoid the truth, he is subject to censorship by the minister for justice and the DPP.
Kenny should be chastised in the dail about his part in the Corrib debacle.
This is the edited audio of the entire police conversation. The link above which went to a Dropbox public folder should not have been posted as DB have a limit on the amount that can be downloaded and cut off connections when this was exceeded.
We would request anyone who has put a link to any of the Dropbox files on a web site to please remove these and link instead to the Vimeo video or one of the indymedia audio files do we can get out access restored.
Indy editors - we would appreciate if you could remove the DB link above and insert this audio. thanks
Ed: Done.