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Thursday January 01 1970

Iran prisoners - ITUC-ITF Appeal for Day of Action

category international | worker & community struggles and protests | event notice author Tuesday August 07, 2007 12:41author by Chris A.Bond - Labour Youth(Socialist International) Amalgamated Transport and General Workers Union (pers cap) Report this post to the editors

Dear Friends,

On Thursday 9 August 2007, the ITUC and ITF are planning an
international Day of Solidarity Action for Mansour Osanloo, President of
the Tehran Bus Workers' Union and Mahmoud Salehi, founding member of the
Bakery Workers' Union in Saqez

Dear Friends,

On Thursday 9 August 2007, the ITUC and ITF are planning an
international Day of Solidarity Action for Mansour Osanloo, President of
the Tehran Bus Workers' Union and Mahmoud Salehi, founding member of the
Bakery Workers' Union in Saqez. Our joint appeal about the Day of
Action was sent to all affiliates by email on 24 July.

We encourage you to take part in this worldwide action. Please can you
contact your national leadership?

Yours in solidarity

Mac Urata
Section Secretary
ITF Inland Transport Sections

(Apologies for any X-posting)

Related Link: http://www.freeosanloo.org
author by Asqar Karimi - Worker-communist Party of Iranpublication date Wed Aug 15, 2007 12:50author email markazi.wpi at gmail dot comauthor address author phone Report this post to the editors

To:

Guy Ryder, General Secretary, International Trade Union Confederation (ITUC)

David Cockroft, General Secretary, International Transport Workers’ Federation (ITF)


On behalf of the Worker-communist Party of Iran, I would like to express my sincere gratitude to you and the millions of members of your affiliated unions for your call for an international day of action for the release of Mansoor Ossanlou and Mahmoud Salehi. We strongly support your call for the August 9th day of action.

This is a crucial initiative, which comes in the wake of the February 15th action last year in support of the striking workers of Vahed Bus Company. While the Islamic regime in Iran has been conducting a massive wave of executions, stoning and arrest of labour, student and women’s rights activists in the past few weeks, this action is not just another manifestation of workers’ international unity and solidarity; it is not just an important step forward for workers in Iran. It is indeed solidarity with all the people in Iran in their confrontation with the Islamic regime; a regime which has no other means for survival but flogging, veiling, stoning, executing and imprisoning...


Asqar Karimi
Head of the Secretariat Board,
Worker-communist Party of Iran

Full text of letter at :
http://www.kargaran.org/international%20labor%20solidar...1.htm

Related Link: http://www.kargaran.org/_main-eng.htm
author by Feudal castratopublication date Thu Aug 16, 2007 01:41author address author phone Report this post to the editors

a massive wave of executions? got any proof other than just you saying it (whoever you are)? How many is massive? more than texas? more than saudi arabia? more than carried out by the US's nice shiny new business friends in china? (well at least its just corrupt pharmaceutical management getting the chop there this week! world could probably do with less of the kind of sociopaths driving big pharm)

seriously, if its true and there is real proof then fine but right now it's irresponsible to publish serious allegations about iran without any concrete evidence to back it up.

There is currently an information (among other things) campaign by us operatives against iran

any chance of putting a cap on the number of unsubstantiated anti iran articles allowed per week on this site?

Here's the kind of dangerous idiots you are helping if you join in the iran bashing:

http://matthewyglesias.theatlantic.com/archives/2007/07...l.php

http://www.alternet.org/story/57001/?page=1

author by Marie Stopespublication date Thu Aug 16, 2007 10:48author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The letter is from an Iranian Trade Union. You choose to doubt him and believe the Iranian Government instead?

The BBC gave a report -
'State television showed the five convicts' bodies hanging from the gallows under a banner saying "Implementing justice = Elevating security". The footage showed thousands of spectators at the execution held back by iron fencing and a police cordon. Last week, 12 convicts were hanged simultaneously in Tehran's Evin prison. '
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6926387.stm

'Monday, 06 August 2007: Iranian regime on Monday hanged three men in southeastern Sistan-Baluchestan province, state-run media reported. The men, identified as Abdolaziz Esmail Zehi, Abdoljamal Shahbakhsh and Ali Akbar Shahbakhsh, were hanged on Monday morning in a prison in the provincial capital of Zahedan, the website of state broadcasting said.'
http://www.ncr-iran.org/content/view/3932/152/

'08/02/2007 16:52
IRAN
New wave of public executions in Iran
After the execution of Kobra Rahmanpour was suspended, Iran’s judiciary hangs seven men in Mashhad. Under the gallows a banner read “Carrying out justice equals increasing security.” Since the beginning of the year, 143 executions have been carried out.'
http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=9994&size=A

Nothing unsubstantiated about this hanging
Nothing unsubstantiated about this hanging

author by Leonora O'Reillypublication date Thu Aug 16, 2007 13:15author address author phone Report this post to the editors


Love the idea of portraying Iran as a worker's paradise just to keep the US from bombing it. Don't think it's gonna work though.

author by Mary Muldowney - SIPTUpublication date Thu Aug 16, 2007 16:49author address author phone Report this post to the editors

When on earth did it become acceptable for anyone, never mind people who claim to be socialists, to condone the vicious treatment meted out by the Iranian government to trade union activists and workers? What insane form of 'reasoning' can equate condemnation of this horrific repression with support for US foreign policy?

Clearly someone has lost the plot and since the authors of these nonsenical articles opposing solidarity with the oppressed workers and activists in Iran have chosen not to identify themselves or their party (I can't say I blame them - I'd be embarrassed to put my name to this sort of sectarian rant too) one can only speculate on their reasons for aligning themselves with the medieval theocrats in the Iranian government.

As a woman who doesn't wear a veil, who doesn't accept being told what to believe, who enjoys a pint with my trade union activist comrades, with my pro-choice activist friends, some one whom are (whisper it: gay) I certainly wouldn't want to live in Iran. I strongly suspect that Gustav and Mario and all the other anonymous supporters of oppression and attacks on freedom of expression in that country wouldn't be too happy to be moved there either.

Solidarity to the brave workers who tried to celebrate May 1st and are suffering for it. Would that their detractors had even a fraction of their courage.

author by Stevepublication date Thu Aug 16, 2007 17:47author address author phone Report this post to the editors

This issue has now descended into farce with hysterics as argument and sloganeering as principled positioning.

God help the people of Iran when the bombs drop, because they will and you lot are doing absolutely nothing to prevent it.

No to imperialist aggression? Boom that message loud and clear, way above any criticisms of Iran, the war mongers will listen to and manipulate the criticisms of Iran, particularly if they are not wrapped up unequivocally with a much louder anti-US aggression message.

It is simply astonishing that you cannot see that.

Its even more astonishing that you think I and others condone human rights abuses by the Iranian regime. That is neo-con absolutism, with us or against us, nonsense.

The greatest human rights abuse that will ever be committed in Iran will be the slaughter unleashed by US military forces. The death-count will be astronomical, the butchery indiscriminate, the wider implications could be globally catastrophic.

It will make the current regimes oppression seem like a paradise as was Saddams Iraq in contrast with its current state. It is by far the greater of the two evils.

I fear that some people are allowing their own personal struggles cloud their judgement. Be they GLTs or Pro-choice or simply hatred of the SWP/IAWM. Its place is not here and not now.

When the present threat to Iran from the neo-cons has passed I will be the first to condemn any mullah oppression as I do all oppression. I just can't add my voice to the chorus of anti-Iranian propaganda filling the Internet at the present time. I will not allow myself to be an unwitting puppet of the US's propaganda war machine at this time. That is how I see it, that is my decision and I have made it in good conscience.

I would put my case to the socialists in Iran if at all possible, and I am sure they will understand not leather me with abuse.

author by pat cpublication date Thu Aug 16, 2007 18:01author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Heres email adds for Iranian Socialists, tell them they are wrong to appeal for help.

Worker-communist Party

markazi.wpi@gmail.com

m.namazie@ukonline.co.uk

Worker-communist Party -H

mail@hekmatist.com

Workers Left Unity

etehadchap@yahoo.co.uk
yasmine@eng.gla.ac.uk

Workers Left Unity is an alliance of the following groups and organisations
Sazman Kargaran Enghelabi Iran -Rahe Kargar-Organistation of Revolutionary Workers of Iran
Etehad Fadayin Communist Iranian Communist Fedayin League
Socialism and Revolution Tendency (Project for Revolutionary socialist Debate)
Solidarity Campaign with Iranian Workers
Activists of Fedaii Minority
Independent activists of the left

author by ribbid gurgglepublication date Thu Aug 16, 2007 19:39author address author phone Report this post to the editors

That ; few people in Iran take an interest in politics, very few people in Iran have internet connections or few people in Iran want to be logged at a political party site.
as an illustration across the political spectrum:-
Organization of Iranian People's Fedayee Guerrillas (Reform Communism) http://www.iran-nabard.com 7,303 hits in Iran 472,014 hits globally
Marze Por Gohar Nationalism (Center) http://www.marzeporgohar.org 8,508 hits in Iran 603,531 hits globally
Green Party of Iran (Environmentalist) http://www.iran-e-sabz.org/ 8,985 hits in Iran 726,060 hits globally
National Front of Iran Nationalism (Center-Left) http://www.jebhemelli.net/ 9,966hits in Iran 788,318 hits globally
Constitutionalist Party of Iran Liberal democracy (Monarchist) http://www.rezapahlavi.org/ 9,997 hits in Iran 248,410 hits globally

that information from Alexa Internet, Inc. California (a subsidiary of Amazon who monitor hits to other websites http://www.alexa.com/ ) upto date April 2007.

you could read these :-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_parties_in_Iran#..._Iran
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_parties_in_Iran#...exile
you know like "get an overview".

There is no reason to believe Pat C. is making up his contacts & considering Iran's ranking on world press freedom http://www.rsf.org/country-43.php3?id_mot=92 it's perfectly reasonable and understandable that neither he nor I for that matter release details of any contact within the Iranian state be they Iranian or Foreigner.

diagram of Iranian political parties in exile
diagram of Iranian political parties in exile

author by Watcherpublication date Fri Aug 17, 2007 08:17author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"There is no reason to believe Pat C. is making up his contacts & considering Iran's ranking on world press freedom http://www.rsf.org/country-43.php3?id_mot=92 it's perfectly reasonable and understandable that neither he nor I for that matter release details of any contact within the Iranian state be they Iranian or Foreigner.2

How convenient. The fact is that during the cold war, every "free Russia" movement located in the west were financed by the CIA.

author by pat cpublication date Fri Aug 17, 2007 11:10author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"The fact is that during the cold war, every "free Russia" movement located in the west were financed by the CIA."

Anarchists and Trotskyists in the west (including the SWP) supported dissident groups in the former USSR. Strangely enough they did not give out contact details for their comrades who were operating clandestinely in the USSR.

author by pat cpublication date Fri Aug 17, 2007 11:37author address author phone Report this post to the editors

It was your friend watcher who brought up the USSR comparison. The fact is I am in contact with Iranian Socialists. You are not. BUt if you wish to contact them, you have their email addresses.

What is your motivation? Why are you trying to prevent Iranian workers from getting support. I can only assume that you are happy to see Iranian trade unionists imprisoned and flogged.

CASMII takes a totally uncritical view of the Iranian Junta. It does not represent or support the dissident forces in Iran. Hers a view of CASMII written by an Iranian Socialist:

Against imperialist war, for Iran workers
Yassamine Mather analyses the latest developments in Iran and takes a closer look at 'Campaign Iran'

Campaign Iran also fails to mention one of the most pertinent facts about the current situation in the Middle East: the US-UK invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq is directly responsible for Iran’s emergence as a regional power. Chalabi, Maleki, Jaafari and other pro-Iranian shias played a crucial role in the US-UK propaganda regarding Iraqi ‘weapons of mass destruction’. Some go as far as blaming Iran for the entire WMD fiasco. Will Campaign Iran inform its supporters that on February 15 2003, when most of us were on demonstrations against the Iraq war, pro-Iran mosques throughout the UK, as well as the Iranian embassy in London, were advising Iraqi shias to write to Tony Blair encouraging him in his warmongering ambitions? That the Iranian government banned any demonstrations opposing the US invasion of Iraq?

Will Campaign Iran remind its supporters that on March 19 2003, when most of us watched in horror as US-UK bombs pounded the Iraqi capital, Iran’s islamic regime was distributing halva (a sweet used at feasts) in celebration? No wonder they celebrated - the imperialist invasion of Iraq gave them unprecedented influence in Iraq.

http://www.cpgb.org.uk/worker/656/iran.htm

author by pat cpublication date Fri Aug 17, 2007 11:45author address author phone Report this post to the editors

More articles on casmii

‘Don’t criticise Iranian regime’
http://www.cpgb.org.uk/worker/670/iran.htm

There is no proof that Campaign Iran, or Casmii, receives money or other assistance from the Iranian embassies in London or Washington. However, it clearly functions to plead the Iranian state’s case against the likelihood of attack from the USA and its ever subservient British junior partner. But in failing to attack the depravities that the regime carries out against workers, students, women and ethnic minorities, Campaign Iran merely serves as a liberal or left cover for the regime.
http://www.cpgb.org.uk/worker/681/iran%20media.htm

author by Lincolnpublication date Fri Aug 17, 2007 11:56author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I see, it doesn't conform to your view of how the situation should be handled at this time therefore it is to be rubbished and its efforts discredited. Stalinism in action ladies and gentlemen.

By the way CASMII is critical of the Iranian regime, it supports human rights and states as much on its website.
It just doesn't singularly demonise Iran the way you do.

This 'my way or the highway' attitude from you is becoming tiresome.

You do not know anyone in Iran.
'Yassamine Mather' may be Iraninan but she hasn't lived there for decades.

Campaign Iran (the org. she was critical of) is a UK organisation.
CASMII is American based, so even your rebuttals are innaccurate.

It is a fact that prior to the Iraq invasion we where treated to a whole host of exiled Iraqis demonising Saddam Hussein.

It must be more then coincidence if it happens again.

Allow me my misgivings, they have been well founded.

author by pat cpublication date Fri Aug 17, 2007 12:03author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"I see, it doesn't conform to your view of how the situation should be handled at this time therefore it is to be rubbished and its efforts discredited. Stalinism in action ladies and gentlemen."

You are the Stalinist. You are supporting the repression of workers. Y

"By the way CASMII is critical of the Iranian regime, it supports human rights and states as much on its website."

It refuses to support Iranian Trade Unionists who are suffering oppression.

"This 'my way or the highway' attitude from you is becoming tiresome."

Yes you are intent on smearing any support for Iranian dissidents.

"You do not know anyone in Iran."

Neither do you.

"'Yassamine Mather' may be Iraninan but she hasn't lived there for decades."

Yassamine is an Iranian socialist. She is contact with socialists in Iran. You are not in contact with any Iranian socialists.

"Campaign Iran (the org. she was critical of) is a UK organisation.
CASMII is American based, so even your rebuttals are innaccurate."

Read the articles. Both organisations are dealt with. In any case neither CASMII or Campaign Iran operate in Ireland. HOPI does.

"It is a fact that prior to the Iraq invasion we where treated to a whole host of exiled Iraqis demonising Saddam Hussein."

It is a fact that you are smearing Iranian socialists and trade unionists.

It is also a fact that the iranian Junta supported the US invasion of Iraq. Read the articles at the links above.

author by Lincolnpublication date Fri Aug 17, 2007 12:04author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Now your posting articles claiming that Campaign Iran is an SWP front.

This smacks of the same sectarian nonsense that goes on this side of the Irish Sea and illustrates that your primary concern is discrediting the SWP and IAWM which goes along way to explain the hostility and vitriol in your posts.

Fine, you have fun now. This is far far bigger the SWP. Its a pity you cant allow yourself to think outside of a parochial vendetta.

author by pat cpublication date Fri Aug 17, 2007 12:11author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Telling the truth is not sectarianism. The articles point out that the SWP have refused to back demands that workers and students struggles in Iran be supported. Anyway read the articles in full. You might learn something.

The parochial vendetta is on your part. Workers in Iran have pleaded for support. I am answering that plea. You are spitting in their faces.

author by Watcherpublication date Fri Aug 17, 2007 13:38author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"You are the one who has smeared and undermined the Iranian workers from the start. If anyone is a Stalinist you are."

This is just another accusation thrown around by Pat C. Can he/she point out where anyboby, repeat anybody has "smeared and undermined Iranian workers"

This name calling and making of false accusations are the antics of a spoiled child and really Pat C should be left to talk to him/herself. That after all is what he/she desires.

The Russia point has, not surprising gone over his/her head. The point being that the CIA fund most if not all patriots in extie, providing of course they espouse the Americian way for their former homeland.

author by pat cpublication date Fri Aug 17, 2007 14:05author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"The point being that the CIA fund most if not all patriots in extie, providing of course they espouse the Americian way for their former homeland."

But HOPI, WLU, WCP, WCP-H do not espouse the Americamn way, they openly oppose US Imperialism.

As for smears on the Iranian Workers, for a start there is your implication that they are funded by the CIA.

Then at Islamic Republic of Iran has sentenced 11 workers to prison and flogging!
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/83774

More Anti-Islamic Propaganda
by Gustav Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:06

Relentless Anti-Iran Propaganda, Led by the US & Israel

Anti-Iran Rhetoric: Vicious Neocon/Zionist Propaganda


and

interesting counterpunch article, quite relevant!
by Feudal castrato Wed Aug 15, 2007 03:07

"Human Rights Watch in particular has been a key organization pushing for humanitarian wars, and a proper appreciation of such organizations is necessary to counter their influence."

Be careful what you give your support to in these cryptic times.


Iran Should Cancel Televised ‘Confessions’
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/83492

Self-absorded nonsense.
by Steve Tue Aug 14, 2007 16:05

Links have been posted to neo-con sites which reel off the same anti-Iranian stuff you been posting. Incontrovertible proof that your attacks are being used to build the case for war and all you can do is go berserk with astounding claims about who I am and who I represent.


Here Steve clearly equates articles supporting the iranian workers with being a neocon.

Its not an either or choice. You can support Iranian trade unionists and also oppose US Imperialism. But if you refuse to aid the Iranian workers or attack those who support them then you are effectively on the side of the Iranian Junta.

author by pat cpublication date Fri Aug 17, 2007 14:12author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"Pat, all you are doing, like in the articles you linked to is putting words in other peoples mouth."

No thats what you are doing. You are even suggesting that my opposition to Islamists is for personal reasons.

"Do you really think this is about two shades of Leftism trying to outdo each other? "

I dont know. What I do know is that you and a certain party are refusing to support workers in struggle.

"Such entrenched thinking definately comes from a deep seated personal hatred. "

There you go again. I disagree with you so it stems from personal hatred. Havbe you taken lessons from Eoghan Harris?

"HOPI is entitled to its opinion. I agree with its campaign in that it opposes oppression and US agression.
I disagree with your frenetic demonisation of Iran."

It does not demonise Iran. it tells the truth about a Dictatorship which bans unions and all opposition.

"You resort to either/or absolutism. That is how neo-cons operate comrade."

You would make a good Stalinist. All I am doing is answering the pleas for help from Iranian Trade Unionists, socialists and feminists. No rational or honest person wpould suggest that this could aid the neocons.

author by Lincolnpublication date Fri Aug 17, 2007 14:32author address author phone Report this post to the editors

You sum by stating your position is not an either or position, yet you apply that exact logic to those who disagree with you.

You can’t have it both ways.

The criticisms are directed at you and your timing with all this Anti-Iranian Propaganda.

The point was made that exiles MIGHT be unduly influenced and could in fact be (unwittingly or otherwise) puppets of the CIA. There is nothing outlandish in expressing concerns about that very real possibility. It is standard practice with organsisations such as the CIA to infiltrate any useful organisations and try to steer its message or at least muddy the waters co the message becomes less effective. Precedent demands we take such a possibility into consideration. We are taking about the CIA here, not some Mickey Mouse outfit that operates on a shoe-string budget.
They have the means, the expertise, the experience and the initiative to conduct such an operation and it astonishing that someone like Pat c denies that it is even a possibility.
It is this intransigence that discourages people and makes you sound like a crank.

You claim I dont support Iranian Workers? Where have I said I dont, you just gleaned that by spinning my rejection of anti-Iranian propoganda. This is either/or accusations once again. A poor prop for your arguement and telling that you have to resort to such.

The Iranian workers, i.e. THAT LIVE IN IRAN, (not Iranian exiles), have not been smeared by anyone, nobody has spat in their face, nobody smeared them as neo-cons.
You have failed yet again to actually prove what was asked of you.
All you have done is provided spin on what was actually said to suit your accusation.

Eoghan Harris indeed.

author by pat cpublication date Fri Aug 17, 2007 14:39author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"They have the means, the expertise, the experience and the initiative to conduct such an operation and it astonishing that someone like Pat c denies that it is even a possibility."

No I dont. I deny your implication that HOPI is infiltrated by the CIA. Organisations like the PMOI have neocon friends I wouldnt be suprised if they get CIA money.

"You claim I dont support Iranian Workers? Where have I said I dont, you just gleaned that by spinning my rejection of anti-Iranian propoganda. "

Every story posted in support of Iranian workers is attacked by you. If you support them then why attack everyone who openly supports the workers?

"The Iranian workers, i.e. THAT LIVE IN IRAN, (not Iranian exiles), have not been smeared by anyone, nobody has spat in their face, nobody smeared them as neo-cons."

You have. They have appealed for help and you attack them. HOPI are in contact with workers and socialists in Iran.

"Eoghan Harris indeed."

Yes. Hes taught you well. You get a first from the Stalinist School of Falsification.

There is an ochrestrated campaign to try and silence HOPI and anyone who supports Iranian Dissidents but its not going to succeed.

author by Lincolnpublication date Fri Aug 17, 2007 14:48author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Of course not Pat, your to tenacious for that aren't you?

This is not about silencing HOPI, it’s about exposing your sectarian slant on an otherwise worthy cause.

You have a problem with the SWP and you have a major major problem with Islam and you are conveniently hiding behind the HOPI banner to spew your bile by proxy.

The HOPI website is very specific in its condemnation of US military aggression. It is balanced with is attacks on the Iranian Government.

Your posts are not balanced, all you HOPI related posts are directed solely at attack the Iranian government (junta) and Islam.

You are fuelling ignorance with you rhetoric.

author by pat cpublication date Fri Aug 17, 2007 14:55author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"Of course not Pat, your to tenacious for that aren't you?This is not about silencing HOPI, it’s about exposing your sectarian slant on an otherwise worthy cause."

If thats all it was about then you would be posting stories in support of these workers yourself.

"You have a problem with the SWP and you have a major major problem with Islam and you are conveniently hiding behind the HOPI banner to spew your bile by proxy."

My only problem with the SWP is that it is hindering support for the Iranian REsistance I dint care whether or not you are in them. You are just doing poisonous work. I dont have a problem with Islam. my problem is with Islamists who want to introduce sharia "law". Any socialist should have a problem with that

"The HOPI website is very specific in its condemnation of US military aggression. It is balanced with is attacks on the Iranian Government.
Your posts are not balanced, all you HOPI related posts are directed solely at attack the Iranian government (junta) and Islam."

Thats not going to work. You wont divide HOPI. All of the artcles published here on Indy by me have been from HOPI members or other Iranian Socialists. You are therefore saying the Iranian socialists are not balanced.

"You are fuelling ignorance with you rhetoric. "

Some day I hope you will wise up and be ashamed of how cruelly you abandoned the Iranian workers.

author by Lincolnpublication date Fri Aug 17, 2007 15:01author address author phone Report this post to the editors

“Thats not going to work. You wont divide HOPI. All of the artcles published here on Indy by me have been from HOPI members or other Iranian Socialists. You are therefore saying the Iranian socialists are not balanced.”

There are those delusions of grandeur again.

I am not saying Iranian Socialists are not balanced, the website indicates that.
I’m saying you are not balanced. Do not superimpose and accusation made against you as an accusation made against them. Accusing you does not equate into an attempt to divide HOPI. Get over yourself comrade.

“Some day I hope you will wise up and be ashamed of how cruelly you abandoned the Iranian workers”.

Ho hum, now your rhetoric is fuelling your ignorance.

author by Lisa Simpsonpublication date Fri Aug 17, 2007 16:19author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Nobody clicked this link for a debate over Pat C's views on Islam and the SWP, this is about the treatment of trade unionists in Iran. What is it about Ahmadinejad's regime that has some leftists rushing to his defence? Anything other than his relations with George W Bush?

author by Comical Alipublication date Sat Aug 18, 2007 18:12author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Chris - you are boasting of being in the same "international" as Blair/Brown, Schroeder, Rasmussen, Persson, Royal, Israeli government etc etc. I think when this international engage in solidarity campaigns it's usually to prepare the ground for a propaganda offensive before one of their bombing/killing campaigns. Yes, Iran is a place where workers rights are not respected. Yes, the workers movement should take this up. But the workers movement should not be doing it on the advice of an organisation that wants to invade Iran for it's oil fields!

author by Beatrice Webbpublication date Mon Aug 20, 2007 15:05author address author phone Report this post to the editors

International solidarity is flourishing for the Iranian workers who have suffered repression for engaging in trade union actictivity. This is a report of various actions and which took place. You will find full reports plus others from Australia, Japan, Indonesia, Thailand, Jordan, Algeria, Palestine, Yemen, Canada, USA, Australia Malaysia, Germany, Romania, Brazil and Canada at the ITF website

Global
A delegation composed of the ITUC, PSI, UNI, IUF met with the Deputy Permanent Representative of the Iranian Mission to the UN in Geneva, Ambassador Sajjadpour and submitted a note verbale. They called for the immediate release of Brothers Osanloo and Salehi, as well as access to medical treatment, their lawyers and families and protested against the arrest of the five members of the Executive Board of the Vahed Syndicate and the fact that security agents were trying to prevent Vahed union members from gathering at Osanloo's house.
Iran

On 9 August, the Tehran Bus Workers' Union invited its members to gather at the residence of Mansour Osanloo in support of the ITUC-ITF Action Day and to also express solidarity with Mansour Osanloo and Mahmoud Salehi and their families. Unfortunately, from the early morning of 9 August officials as well as plain clothed security personnel cordoned off the streets to block the entrance to the house. Ebrahim Madadi, Seyed Davoud Razavi, Yaghoub Salimi, Ebrahim Norouzi Gohari, Homayoun Jaberi, Taher Sadeghi and Mrs. Fatemeh Hajilou were arrested and taken to Evin Prison. The union released a statement condemning the unlawful act and demanding the immediate release of the detainees

Nepal

The Nepal Trade Union Congress and Nepal Yatayat Mazdoor Sangh (NETWON) jointly submitted the ITF petition and a protest letter addressed to the Iranian Government through the Nepalese Foreign Ministry in the afternoon of 9 August.

India

Today members of AIRF-NRMU-HMS gathered at Parliament Street to protest against the abduction of Bro. Mansour Osanloo. Due
to high security in Delhi, the police did not give permission to hold the demonstration in front of the Iranian Embassy. After discussion with police officials, they finally agreed to allow a few representatives to the Iranian embassy in order to meet the Consulate.

Hundreds of activists from ITF unions, the National Union of Seafarers of India and the Transport & Dock Workers' Union jointly staged a demonstration in front of the Iranian Consulate in Mumbai today demanding the immediate release of Mansour Osanloo and Mahmoud Salehi.

Pakistan

The Pakistan Transport Workers' Federation and the Pakistan Labour Federation staged a demonstration outside the Lahore Press Club calling for the release of Mansour Osanloo and the five members of the union's Executive Board who were arrested today. Representatives from the Pakistan Transport Workers' Federation, the All Pakistan Banks and Financial Institution, GTS Employees'
Union, All Pakistan Para Medical Staff Association and the Railway Workers' Federation addressed the rally.

Morocco

The Road Transport union - UMT has delivered a protest letter to the Iranian Embassy. The letter, which was addressed to the Iranian President, expressed the union's solidarity with Mansour Osanloo.

France
The CGT in France has organised various activities following the joint appeal by the ITUC and ITF for a global Action Day in solidarity with Mansour Osanloo and Mahmoud Salehi. On 9 August, CGT activists together with their colleagues from CFDT and FO, gathered outside the Iranian Embassy in Paris to deliver a letter demanding the immediate release of Mansour Osanloo and Mahmoud Salehi. A demonstration was held near to the Embassy, bringing together union activists and a number of Iranians residing in France.

Russia

The Federations of the Independent Trade Unions of Russia, representing 28 million workers, has sent a protest letter to the Iranian Embassy in Russia concerning violation of trade union rights in the Iran and the imprisonment of Mr. Mahmoud Salehi and Mr. Mansour Osanloo.

Switzerland

SEV delivered their protest letter to the Iranian Embassy in Berne as part of their protest action in front of the Iranian Embassy today. The letter is the same letter that the union had sent to the Iranian President on 12 July.

Austria

The Austrian union for transport and services, VIDA, together with their colleagues from the Austrian trade union of municipal workers (GdG) and representatives from Amnesty International and Iranian colleagues participated in protest action in front of the Iranian Consul and the Iranian Embassy. A bus from the works council of the Vienna urban transport company delivered the petition signatures to the Embassy. This evening, an Iranian group is planning a demonstration in solidarity with Mansour Osanloo in front of St. Stephans cathedral.

Norway

ITF affiliates in Norway have organised a joint demonstration in front of the Iranian embassy in Oslo today. Representatives from the four unions (Norsk Transportarbeiderforbund, Norsk Jernbaneforbund, Fagforbundet and Yrkestrafikkforbundet) met a representative of the Embassy and delivered a protest letter. The embassy promised to send the letter to the Iranian Government.

Belgium

In Brussels, the ITUC and its unions organised a demonstration at the Iranian Embassy. Participants carried posters and a letter was delivered to the Embassy. Media coverage of the demonstration was very good.

Sweden

At 13h30 today a delegation from LO Sweden visited the Iranian Embassy in Stockholm to deliver a letter to protest against the violation of trade union rights in Iran and the imprisonment of Mahmoud Salehi and Mansour Osanloo. Outside the Embassy, there were 300-400 demonstrators from different exiled-Iranian organisations who were waving flags and signs, distributing leaflets and shouting messages.

Great Britain

ITF General Secretary, David Cockroft lead an ITF staff delegation to join representatives from Unison, GMB and the T&G to protest outside the Iranian Embassy in London. The unions were joined in solidarity by Amnesty International and Iranian activists all calling for the immediate release of Brothers Osanloo and Salehi.

David Cockroft told those assembled "We are determined to ensure that all those seeking to defend simple trade union rights are given proper freedom. These are freedoms that are outlined in international standards that Iran has accepted by being a member of the International Labour Organization. ITF Road Transport Workers' Section Chair, Martin Mayer called for trade union rights and the release of Mansour Osanloo.

Indian Workers Support Imprisoned Iranian Trade Unionists
Indian Workers Support Imprisoned Iranian Trade Unionists

British Workers Show Their Support
British Workers Show Their Support

Related Link: http://www.itfglobal.org/solidarity/osanloo2.cfm
author by Chicherinpublication date Mon Aug 20, 2007 15:17author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Afaiaa this letter is not available online elsewhere.

7th August 2007.

Mr. Hosein Mirfakhar,
His Excellency, the Ambassador,
Iranian Embassy in Ireland,
Embassy of the Islamic Republic of Iran,
72 Mount Merrion Avenue,
Blackrock,
Co. Dublin.

RE: ICTU CONCERN ABOUT THE SITUATION OF MR OSANLOO, PRESIDENT, TEHRAN BUS WORKERS UNION (VAHED SYNDICATE)

Dear Ambassador

I am contacting you on behalf of the Irish Congress of Trade Unions which represents over 800,000 workers on the island of Ireland, to request that you convey to your Government our deep concern about the abduction and current whereabouts and treatment of Mansour Osanloo the President of the Sandikaye Kargarane Sherkate Vahed.

The ICTU has been informed by Sherkate Vahed that its President, Mansour Osanloo was abducted by plain clothes assailants near his home on the evening of the 10th July. Witnesses have stated that he was beaten severely as he was taken away in an unmarked car of the type known to be associated with the Iranian Security Forces.

We understand that his family and his colleagues do not know the identity of the assailants but they believe that a direct order has been issued by the Labour Minister demanding the immediate seizure of Mr Osanloo. It seems likely that he has been abducted by the authorities. However, the police will not acknowledge whether they have arrested or abducted him.

The Islamic Republic of Iran, as a Member State of the International Labour Organisation, is legally bound to respect the core labour standards of the ILO. As a representative of working people Mr Osanloo is entitled to associate freely and to go about his work without fear of harassment or intimidation. The Ministry of Labour has repeatedly assured the international trade union movement that it is committed to workers rights and dialogue. We therefore respectfully request that you urge your Government to take every possible step to ensure the safety of Mr Osanloo and to do all in your power to secure his immediate release as well as identifying those responsible.

I am copying this letter to our international trade unions colleagues, our Department of Foreign Affairs and I am making it public.

Yours sincerely

David Begg
General Secretary

author by Alan MacSimoinpublication date Mon Aug 20, 2007 19:33author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Steve tells "When the present threat to Iran from the neo-cons has passed I will be the first to condemn any mullah oppression as I do all oppression. I just can't add my voice to the chorus of anti-Iranian propaganda filling the Internet at the present time. I will not allow myself to be an unwitting puppet of the US's propaganda war machine at this time."

So, Iran is under threat of attack from the USA, and Iranian workers and women are oppressed by the Iranian regime.

Presumably we ordinary people in Ireland are capable of being convinced that an invasion will make things even worse for people in Iran.

We are also capable of being convined that Iranian trade unon activists are being repressed, and that is a bad thing.

But we are not smart enough to hold both ideas at the same time?

As a socialist, I do not see my task as building solidarity with an authoritarian and theorcratic regime. My solidarity is with working people. That's why I have no problem with opposing any attack on Iran AND giving whatever aid is possible to trade unionists and women's rights fighters there.

What sort of socialist would, for whatever reason, take the side of the bosses against the workers? And what sort of socialist would tell us this is in the interest of the workers? Is this the ultimate in 'social partnership'?

author by Watcherpublication date Tue Aug 21, 2007 08:33author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Alan MacSimoin's post is precise and fair however it too veers away from the point being raised by other posts that are expressing concern that these attacks on Iran are part of a propaganda campaign orchastrated by neo-con forces in preparation for an invasion of Iran. From the outset accuations of "smearing Iranian workers" and being "anti-worker" have been the stock reply to those that are raising concerns not only with the vehemence of the attacks but with the frequencey and volume and of course we are not seeing similiar attacks on other regimes whose record is even worse.

Alan finishes with this

"What sort of socialist would, for whatever reason, take the side of the bosses against the workers? And what sort of socialist would tell us this is in the interest of the workers? Is this the ultimate in 'social partnership'?"

Who is taking the side of the Bosses? By raising concerns that the attacks on Iran ,because they are disporportionate, may be a prelude to invasion that will have only two outcomes, 1) Control of more of the worlds oil reserves for the USA 2) the complete distruction of all civil society as has happened in Iraq with the ongoing slaughter of civilians, these posters raising these concerns are being accused of being in favour of oppression. Why have we not got repeated posts from the same sources attacking the USA's crimes? We smell propaganda and that and only that is what we want placed into the discussion.

author by Curious Sources?publication date Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:40author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The support for the Iranian workers come from trade unions across the world. The stories come from the websites of Amnesty, HRW, ITF, WLU, WPI, WPI-H, HOPOI and many other groups. They are not from the one source. Perhaps all of these organisations have been suborned by the CIA?

If Watcher supported the Iranian workers then he would not launch attack after attack on those who stand up for workers rights. Iran is not a democracy. Trade Unions are banned. Workers are imprisoned and whipped for going on strike.

There are only two sides to a picket line. Watcher has crossed the line and is scabbing on behalf of the Iranian State and bosses.

author by Marlboro Manpublication date Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:05author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Your reasoning is deplorable. You dont support us therefore you support them.

But tell me this? Who are you showing solidarity with? What benefit will it have?

Workers in Iran are not writing articles on indymedia, ex-pat Iranian Socialists with adresses in California are.
The realities of Iran are overlooked and a tirade of anti-Iranian propoganda is trotted out as if Iran was brimming with Socialists who are more concerned with the Iranian regime than the US regime.

That is bollix. When the US attacks Iran, the populace will rally to the flag and that includes Iranians of all persuasions. The Iranian opposition will dissappear and the Theocratic mullah regime underpinned for a generation.

It is pointless posting your so-called solidarity with Iranian workers (they did not ask for it, they know no-body on this forum)
Iranian workers in Iran will never see the petty squabbles posted here that have more to do with vanity than any real show of solidarity with Iranians.

The priority is preventing the US attacking Iran. Everything else is a side show and meanless twaddle, because if the US attack there will be nothing left to show solidarity with.

The onus should be posting more and more Anti-US articles. The average Iranian Worker hates the US more then he/she does the Iraninan Government. That will become overtly evident if/when the US attacks.

This squabble and arguing over 'personal musings' is impressing nobody.

Who or what is the most principled position is irrelevant. This is not about writing a few words and walking around with a placard.

The stakes here are gargantuan and above this bullshit that anyone here thinks they have a fucking clue what they are talking about. There a lot of short fucking memories around here and while you lot are spouting activist shite and bangin on about how principled you are the Yanks are preparing for war.

Prevent the attack on Iran first.

Show solidarity with internal forces for change within Iran second.

author by Sourcespublication date Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:17author address author phone Report this post to the editors

None of the members of WCP, WCP-H, WLU live in California. They all have members in Iran.

Workers all over the world have taken solidarity action on behalf of the imprisoned Iranian trade unionists. Perhaps they are all in the pay of the CIA? They take the side of the Iranian Working Class. You take the side of the Bosses. You are backing the losing side.

"Prevent the attack on Iran first.Show solidarity with internal forces for change within Iran second."

The two have to go hand in hand. How could you possibly build solidarity against an invasion of Iran if you dont support workers rights? Why should any Irish worker oppose an Invasion of Iran if you wont oppose the suppression of workers rights in Iran?

"It is pointless posting your so-called solidarity with Iranian workers (they did not ask for it, they know no-body on this forum)"

Thats a lie. There are appeals on Indymedia from Iranian workers asking for support.

"The average Iranian Worker hates the US more then he/she does the Iraninan Government."

Iranian workers whose appeal for support is here on INdymedia make it clear that they oppose any US invasion. But they want support.

author by Watcherpublication date Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:24author address author phone Report this post to the editors


Curious Sources?

"If Watcher supported the Iranian workers then he would not launch attack after attack on those who stand up for workers rights."

This is becoming breathtaking. What "attack after attack" are you referring to. Are you reading the posts? I'll repeat the last part of the previous post to make things as simple as possible for you. Read the words this time, they clearly state what the concern is and attack nobody. If you disagree with this point of view then fine but this view is not going away. Address the specific issues raised.

"Who is taking the side of the Bosses? By raising concerns that the attacks on Iran ,because they are disporportionate, may be a prelude to invasion that will have only two outcomes, 1) Control of more of the worlds oil reserves for the USA 2) the complete distruction of all civil society as has happened in Iraq with the ongoing slaughter of civilians, these posters raising these concerns are being accused of being in favour of oppression. Why have we not got repeated posts from the same sources attacking the USA's crimes? We smell propaganda and that and only that is what we want placed into the discussion."

author by Marlboro Manpublication date Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:27author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"Thats a lie. There are appeals on Indymedia from Iranian workers asking for support."

There have been no appeals by Iranian workers on Indymedia. They are 'cut and pasted' articles penned by exiled socialists who live in the US and the UK. That is a fact.

Iranian workers in Iran most likely have never even heard of this website much less have access to it..

I'm not getting dragged into this bullshit. My full attention is committed to stopping the US invade/attack Iran.

I dont give a shit how that sits with you.

author by Sourcespublication date Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:37author address author phone Report this post to the editors

This is about solidarity with Iranian workers. Which side are you on? Do you call for their release? Just say yes, say that you support Iranian workers right to frorm unions and to take strike action.

Trade Unionists all over the world support the demand of Iranian workers for these basic rights. They call for the release of imprisoned Iranian workers. You have not joined in that call.

Do you oppose theICTU statement of solidarity with the Iranian workers? From your comments to date I have to presume that you are hostile to workers rights in Iran.

Indonesian Workers Support Iranian Trade Unionists
Indonesian Workers Support Iranian Trade Unionists

author by Watcherpublication date Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:46author address author phone Report this post to the editors


Sources again,
" From your comments to date I have to presume that you are hostile to workers rights in Iran."
Fine, if that's your opinion. Needlessly to say from your repeated attacks on Iran I have to presume that you are a sleeper in the pay of the CIA.

author by Sources.publication date Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:52author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"There have been no appeals by Iranian workers on Indymedia."

Not true got this link: http://www.indymedia.ie/article/83806 You will find a series of appeals for support from Iranian based workers.

You might also be interested in this article which exposes the racism of the Iranian Government:

Iran continues mass expulsions of Afghan refugees
international | migration | other press Monday July 16, 2007 18:32 by Mirza Kuchak Khan - Communist Party of Iran (MLM),

A campaign to kick out Afghan refugees in Iran is continuing unabated. Between late April and late June, the Islamic Republic of Iran rounded up more than 100,000 Afghans working in Iran and dumped them on the other side of the border.

Expulsions of refugees from Afghanistan have been going on with varying degrees of intensity for the last two decades. They have been an integral part of Tehran’s policy of maintaining permanent pressure on Afghan refugees and workers resident in Iran. In 2006, Iran threw out around 146,000 Afghan refugees and workers.
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/83456

Here is another appeal from Iran based workers:

This a statement and an appeal for solidarity from a group of Iranian workers based at the Iran Khodro car plant. Full statement at the link.

Friends and Fellow workers, International workers day is the day of international solidarity with workers. This is the day of protest against capitalism, against injustice in the world. Years ago Chicago workers started a struggle in support of their demands and many workers lost their lives. Workers are still fighting for their rights and thousands of workers have continued the struggle for the demands of May day. The Iranian government was forced to accept workers day only after years of worker protests. Iranian workers, cannot gather free of police presence to mark May day. For years everytime we tried to organise an independent march, the government intervened and it arrested many workers as in Saghez in 2004. Mahmud Salehi, one of the workers accused of organising the Saghez events is in prison , many other workers await similar sentences.

http://www.indymedia.ie/article/82511

author by Marlboro Manpublication date Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:02author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The first article was penned by Nasser Asgary who does not live in Iran

The second article was penned by Mirza Kuchak Khan who died of frost bite 66 years ago

The Third article was penned by Pat C who also does not live in Iran.

That is it, I'm out of here.

author by Sourcespublication date Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:06author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"The first article was penned by Nasser Asgary who does not live in Iran"

He is the editor of the journal. The appeal is from Iran based workers.

"The second article was penned by Mirza Kuchak Khan who died of frost bite 66 years ago"

Please dont be silly. It is a pseudonym.

"The Third article was penned by Pat C who also does not live in Iran."

He wrote the introduction. The leahlet was written by Iranian workers from the vehicle plant.

author by Marlboro Manpublication date Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:12author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Couldn't resist but this is it, lifes too short to get into this rotary wanking and vanity fair.

"Don't be silly?"

Your basing your claim that these are Iranian based workers on articles penned by psuedonyms and you're calling me silly?

author by Watcherpublication date Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:17author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Yes, you would know nothing about using a pseudonym. The statements are from Iranian workers. Oh, and yes, the Iranian Government is racist. It does deport asylum sekers.

author by Sourcespublication date Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:18author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The above comment was by me! Its just the effect watcher has on me...

author by Marlboro Manpublication date Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:27author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"Oh, and yes, the Iranian Government is racist. It does deport asylum sekers."

The Irish Government is racist too, it deports asylum seekers.

As I said I dont want to get into this rotary wanking that thses threads eventually whittle down to, you can have the last word 'sourses' when you undoubtedly reply to this.

As I said my primary concern and my primary goal is to prevent the US from attacking Iran, and I'll say it again, I dont give a flying fuck how that sits with you.

author by Sourcespublication date Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:30author address author phone Report this post to the editors

""Oh, and yes, the Iranian Government is racist. It does deport asylum sekers."

The Irish Government is racist too, it deports asylum seekers."

Oh I get it now!

Irish racism bad!

Iranian Racism good!

author by Watcherpublication date Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:43author address author phone Report this post to the editors



"Irish racism bad!
Iranian Racism good!"

The point is that both are bad but you seem to only attack racism as practised in Iran. Not curious?

author by Sourcespublication date Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:46author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Solidarity report from London.

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/london/2007/08/3....html

You are showing yourself to be nothing other than a troll. I of course oppose all racism but you lot do not see any ault with Iran. You immediately raise another red herring to try and divert things.

author by krossie - wsm (VERY MUCH in personal capacitypublication date Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:47author address author phone Report this post to the editors

i really don't know why I'm bothereed but anyways slow day at work

(No I don't live in Iran!!)

Lincoln: The criticisms are directed at you and your timing with all this Anti-Iranian Propaganda.

The point was made that exiles MIGHT be unduly influenced and could in fact be (unwittingly or otherwise) puppets of the CIA.


In fact you can “have it both ways” to an extent. Situations can’t just be divided into arbitrary and childish binaries of the likes of

Bush – America – imperialist

Therefore

Iraq – good – our friends!

I’ve never understood this knee jerk – my enemy’s enemy must be my friend sort of argument. Its almost like one is not allowed to be both anti – imperialist and form nuanced judgments based on the actual facts and balance of forces in the country threatened by the imperialists.

(For an example of how possible this is see the excellent ISN analysis of the Bosnian situation recently published on indy
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/83819)

Quite clearly these worker’s and women’s organisations are small and mostly in exile. Quite clearly the CIA etc might like to finance them – but most of all they are quite clearly in an isolated position in need of support and the sort of bullshit above just worsens that situation and is unworthy of anyone describing himself or herself as a socialist.

Lincoln: The Iranian workers, i.e. THAT LIVE IN IRAN, (not Iranian exiles), have not been smeared by anyone,

This is a bizarre argument (to put it mildly - if it can even be classed as an argument!) – as soon as your worker leaves the country in which they are repressed they then become smearable – but if they stay there they remain humble allies!?! No-one outside Iran can hold an opinion because once you cross the border you are a CIA stooge?

Lincoln: You have a problem with the SWP and you have a major major problem with Islam and you are conveniently hiding behind the HOPI banner to spew your bile by proxy.

All Pat’s posts were related to the Iran issue

(Mind you I personally will bash the scattered remnants of the SWP any time and with great pleasure for ya Linclon – if needed and with no recourse to hiding behind anything or any body! - But the editors will probably remove my sectarian rants)

alan:
But we are not smart enough to hold both ideas at the same time?


Succinct and to the point!

This is think is a problem for some lefties – some of whom can barely hold half an idea in their heads for two seconds!

Sources : "There have been no appeals by Iranian workers on Indymedia."

OK there have been some – so what – remember this is a campaign called HANDS OFF IRAQ and if they also support workers in Iraq and have problems with the regime why not!

Related Link: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com
author by Watcherpublication date Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:57author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"but you lot do not see any ault with Iran"

From where did you glean this insight?

author by Sourcespublication date Tue Aug 21, 2007 13:00author address author phone Report this post to the editors

From your unrelenting attack on any story which supports the Iranian opposition, workers, women or national minorities. Given this it is reasonable to assume that you are happy with the Iranian Govt and its policies.

author by Watcherpublication date Tue Aug 21, 2007 13:17author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"From your unrelenting attack on any story which supports the Iranian opposition, workers, women or national minorities."

These stories are masquarading as attacks on injustice yet they only recite injustices that are occuring in Iran therefore I am concerned that these postings are part of a campaign to soften opinion for an invasion of Iran. That's got to be clear and easy to undrstand.

"Given this it is reasonable to assume that you are happy with the Iranian Govt and its policies."

It is an extraordinary leap from what I post to conclude that I am "happy" with the Iranian government. Injustice must be oppossed wherever it occurs and not just when it suits some agenda or other. It is really pathetic don't you agree to hear Bush talk about worker freedom and womens rights. An invasion well impact most on these particular groups as is happening in Iraq.

author by Sourcespublication date Tue Aug 21, 2007 13:44author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"These stories are masquarading as attacks on injustice yet they only recite injustices that are occuring in Iran therefore I am concerned that these postings are part of a campaign to soften opinion for an invasion of Iran. That's got to be clear and easy to undrstand."

No masquerade. They are stories from Iranian socialists and trade unionists who oppose any US invasion of Iran. They are stories from Amnesty and the ITF. No rational and honest person would allege they are part of a US agenda

""Given this it is reasonable to assume that you are happy with the Iranian Govt and its policies."

It is an extraordinary leap from what I post to conclude that I am "happy" with the Iranian government. Injustice must be oppossed wherever it occurs and not just when it suits some agenda or other."

Not at all. You spend all of your time attacking those who are supporting Iranian workers. This thread is about Iran, its not about every injustice in the world.You are a troll.

"It is really pathetic don't you agree to hear Bush talk about worker freedom and womens rights."

Where has he done that and what does it have to do with Iranian workers who oppose US Imperialism?

"An invasion well impact most on these particular groups as is happening in Iraq."

Indeed it would. Thats why HOPOI, WLU, WPI and WPI-H oppose US aggression towards Iran.

author by krossie - wsm (VERY MUCH in personal capacitypublication date Tue Aug 21, 2007 14:28author address author phone Report this post to the editors

watcher: it is really pathetic don't you agree to hear Bush talk about worker freedom and womens rights.

True it certainly is!

However

Bush can spout shit on any question he likes and he has a massive propaganda apuratus to do so
with

- The appeals for solidarity here are being issued by a left wingers in Solidarity with Iranian workers and unions who are clearly against US imperialism.

1. How is that of the slightest aid to Bush et al?

(supposing that they even knew or cared about its existence - I think some lefties tend to fantasize about the CIA and the NSA interest in them or other groups purely to add weight to their own over inflated sense of the importance of their group's "line" - classical exampel above)

2. Why not direct your criticism at the imperialists and not at other potential allies who just happen to have a better thought out and more nuanced and balanced analysis then yourself?

kp

Related Link: http://www.ilovephilosopy.com
author by Fargopublication date Tue Aug 21, 2007 15:02author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"nuanced and balanced analysis"

From another thread I read an article in Time where a Bush spokesperson practically admitted that there will be an attack on Iran.
"IRGC IED's are a casus belli for this administration. There will be an attack on Iran."

Online: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1654188,....html

If this is the case there will be no one in Iran to show solidarity to. Once the US attacks, all opposition to the Iranian regime within Iran will melt away as they rally to the flag and defend their country (and they will, anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool.)
The absolute worst thing that can happen to Iran for everyone concerned (bar neo-cons and perhaps the more fanatical of the Kurd separatists) is a US attack. You would think accordingly that Indy would be awash with Anti-US threads and posts to reflect this accurate assessment. Currently there are several articles and threads posted through its open newswire that are unambiguously attacking the Iranian regime (eight on last count including press releases).
In contrast there is only one article at present that attacks the Bush/US regime.

That is neither nuanced or balanced.

author by Sourcespublication date Tue Aug 21, 2007 15:35author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"If this is the case there will be no one in Iran to show solidarity to. Once the US attacks, all opposition to the Iranian regime within Iran will melt away as they rally to the flag and defend their country (and they will, anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool.)"

No it will not. The opposition in Iran will oppose any US attack but will continue to agitate for the removal of the Iranian Government. You, from your comments, do not appear to be in contact with any of the Iranian socialists. You are in no position to call anyone a fool and are just displaying your own lack of knowledge.

"The absolute worst thing that can happen to Iran for everyone concerned (bar neo-cons and perhaps the more fanatical of the Kurd separatists) is a US attack. "

Thats why HOPOI , WLU, WPI and WPI-H oppose any US attack.

"You would think accordingly that Indy would be awash with Anti-US threads and posts to reflect this accurate assessment. "

There are such threads. You dont like them because they also oppose the Iranian Govt.

"Currently there are several articles and threads posted through its open newswire that are unambiguously attacking the Iranian regime (eight on last count including press releases). "

Exactly! They attack the Iranian Regime but support Iranian people.

"In contrast there is only one article at present that attacks the Bush/US regime.That is neither nuanced or balanced. "

Off you go and post some articles. Use time wisely rather than attacking anti-imperialists who also happen to believe in workers rights.

author by Fargopublication date Tue Aug 21, 2007 16:06author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Dont drag me into your petty little fued with watcher.
Who the fuck do you think you are?

All informed thinking on Iran is that if the US attacks Iran, the Iranian people will rally to the flag. That will set back any chances of reform for decades. Iranian socialists (those left alive) may continue to 'agitate for the removal of the Iranian Government' but their support will be gone as ordinary Iraninan workers fight to defend their homeland. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool.

Without support there will be no opposition and that is a widely recognised fact.

"There are such threads. You dont like them because they also oppose the Iranian Govt."

Where? I counted only one where as eight where posted within the same timeframe condemning the Iraninan Government.

That is not balanced and that is what I was referring to.

author by Sourcespublication date Tue Aug 21, 2007 16:16author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"Dont drag me into your petty little fued with watcher.
Who the fuck do you think you are?"

No hate on my side. I am a supporter of Iranian workers. Please drop the abuse. The only things I hate are Imperialism and dictatorships which oppress workers.

"All informed thinking on Iran is that if the US attacks Iran, the Iranian people will rally to the flag. "

No its not. You are expressing opinions based on your own limited knowledge. They will oppose the invasion but that does not mean they will blindly support a government which has been oppressing them.

"That will set back any chances of reform for decades. Iranian socialists (those left alive) may continue to 'agitate for the removal of the Iranian Government' but their support will be gone as ordinary Iraninan workers fight to defend their homeland. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool. "

You are repeating the same abuse. Are you actually in contact with any Iranian socialists? I am. Perhaps you know more about the situation than they do.

""There are such threads. You dont like them because they also oppose the Iranian Govt."
Where? I counted only one where as eight where posted within the same timeframe condemning the Iraninan Government."

Do a search, box to right hand top cornerof page, with Iran as the subject. There are several pages of Iran articles.

"That is not balanced and that is what I was referring to."

Well, maybe its because some people rather attack those of us who oppose US Imperialism but who also support Iranian workers.

Articles dont write themselves. HOPOI, WLU, WPI, WPI-H have all written articles which oppose US Imperialism while at the same time opposing the undemocratic Iranian REgime.

author by krossie - wsm totally personal capacitypublication date Tue Aug 21, 2007 16:18author address author phone Report this post to the editors

That is neither nuanced or balanced.

Well indymedia is a left wing and anti imperialist newswire in general

It doesn't abound with "Anti US" threads as (contrary to what the Irish meeja might believe) as most of us have a lot of time for America

- its just the American ruling class/government and military machine we don't like and I'm sure the site teams with arguments and threads against them.

In fact its very existence is an affront to them.

In that context this sort of childish totting up of threads is pretty "unbecoming" to any "side"

Clearly calls for solidarity published by clearly left-wing, anti-imperialist trade unionists in this context and on this site strike me as perfectly legitimate and no aid to the imperialists

kp

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author by Fargopublication date Tue Aug 21, 2007 16:59author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"That is neither nuanced or balanced"

You made the refernce to balance and nuance comrade.

"It doesn't abound with "Anti US" threads as (contrary to what the Irish meeja might believe) as most of us have a lot of time for America"

America for the most part is a very hostile place for Socialists. Democrats and Republicans are simply a variance of the same right wing party. That darling of the Irish left JFK openly campaigned on an anti-socialist ticket. So I'm interested to hear what it is about America -her politics/culture/social dynamic you have a lot of time for.
Do you consider the vast majority of US citizens to be left-leaning oppressed victims of the ruling elite?
A common misconception of the Socialist elite is the false presumption that working-class people especially in the US feel oppressed by their capitalist masters. Not true, they blindly vote or these muppets in droves which is reflected here with the popularity of FF in working class areas.

“Clearly calls for solidarity published by clearly left-wing, anti-imperialist trade unionists in this context and on this site strike me as perfectly legitimate and no aid to the imperialists”

I would agree if I thought Trade Unions were left wing. Trade Unionism is currently being derided by the left for selling out and for moving comprehensively to the right both here and in Britain. The WSM where chief among the protagonists highlighting this sell out as where the SP, ISN and CPI. Trade Unions in the United States can hardly be called left-wing either. They are mostly controlled by Organised Crime.

It is these inconsistencies that cause problems when assuming the bona fides of any Trade Unions intentions.
Furthermore the fact that Indymedia is a left wing publisher is insufficient as to accept its massage blindly.

These are dangerous times.

author by Sourcespublication date Tue Aug 21, 2007 17:39author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"That darling of the Irish left JFK openly campaigned on an anti-socialist ticket. "

Who on the Irish Left supported JFK?

“Clearly calls for solidarity published by clearly left-wing, anti-imperialist trade unionists in this context and on this site strike me as perfectly legitimate and no aid to the imperialists”

I would agree if I thought Trade Unions were left wing. Trade Unionism is currently being derided by the left for selling out and for moving comprehensively to the right both here and in Britain. "

Have you any idea what you are talking about? These are trade unions operating in a country where unions are banned.

"The WSM where chief among the protagonists highlighting this sell out as where the SP, ISN and CPI. "

You are totally ignorant of the policies of these organisations. The WSM and ISN are supporters of HOPOI. The SP and CPI also support the Iranian workers.

"Trade Unions in the United States can hardly be called left-wing either. They are mostly controlled by Organised Crime."

Thats a lie. You are exposing vast amounts of ignorance.

I"t is these inconsistencies that cause problems when assuming the bona fides of any Trade Unions intentions."

Seeing as you dont know what you are talking about, it doesnt. In any case we are talking about Iranian trade unions which you are totally ignorant of.

"Furthermore the fact that Indymedia is a left wing publisher is insufficient as to accept its massage blindly."

But we should accept your opinions? Where do you get your information from?

"These are dangerous times. "

Dangerous times indeed when people like you smear Anti-Imperoalists.

author by krossie - wsm (VERY VERY MUCH in personal capacitypublication date Wed Aug 22, 2007 14:28author address author phone Report this post to the editors

WHY oh Why

Fargo (not one of the Cohen bros best) says

Do you consider the vast majority of US citizens to be left-leaning oppressed victims of the ruling elite?
A common misconception of the Socialist elite is the false presumption that working-class people especially in the US feel oppressed by their capitalist masters. Not true, they blindly vote or these muppets in droves which is reflected here with the popularity of FF in working class areas.


Hi Fargo - welcome to abc socialism class

Take your seats

Less whispering down the back there!

OK here we go

1. We live in a world dominated by multi national capital and imperialist alliances

Got it?

2. Within this world there are countries - the vast majority have emerged from feudalism and now embrace some form of Capitalism

3. Amongst these Capitalist countries are America and Ireland

4. Being Capitalist countries the vast majority of the proletariat are imbued with the values and ideology sold to them by the ruling class via their hegemony of the media and political system

5. However as we hope that the proletariat will one day rise to the task of liberating themselves. For this reason we never dismiss them as "blind voters"or "muppets"
but neither do we see them as "left-leaning oppressed victims of the ruling elite" they are ...well hey certainly contain individuals of both types above but overall are a rich stew of opinions and beliefs but averaging out as identifying willy nilly with their rulers overall right now.
I think yer buddy Trotsky actually put it well as combined but uneven development.
(hey didn't get absolutely everything wrong)
Again a nuanced analysis.

6. Unions mediate between workers and bosses and thus have a dual character. In Ireland the system of social partnership ties them to the bosses and America they are severely comprimised (and in most countries)
However if a union member (not from an American union either) makes a call to support fellow left leaning worker's organisations in another country and its published on a well run left leaning site - yeah I'd tend to give it credence
(maybe I'm weird or a CIA robot beep beep)

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author by Watcherpublication date Thu Aug 23, 2007 07:45author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"Less whispering down the back there!"

This is condesending crap that a well run left leaning media can well do without. But it is in line with most of the "I know everything" line of the anti-Iran stuff that is posted here.

author by krossie (stirnirite indivdualist!) - wsm (VERY VERY MUCH in personal capacitypublication date Thu Aug 23, 2007 16:00author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Watcher: This is condesending crap that a well run left leaning media can well do without. But it is in line with most of the "I know everything" line of the anti-Iran stuff that is posted here?

See what's with the phrase "anti-iran stuff"??

- It is a call from IRANIAN workers who have problems with their autocratic government - You seem incapable of distinguishing between a ruling class and those over which it rules.
Sounds just like crass nationalism to me.
If I criticise the Iranian rulers I'm anti-Iran - so if I criticise Bertie am I anti - Irish?

Even as Gaelige?

I'm not trying to be "in line" with anyone in particular - good stirnirite individualist that I am

Those classes are well in order!

kp

PS its "condescending" by the way...

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author by Luigi Galleanipublication date Tue Oct 16, 2007 14:37author address author phone Report this post to the editors

This is a report of the visit of an Indonesian Trade Union delegation to Iran.

Two Indonesian trade unionists, who arrived in the Iranian capital earlier this week in a bid to meet with imprisoned trade unionist Mansour Osanloo, described the mission as a “test case” of relations between two Islamic states.

While they were unable too see Mansour Osanloo, they did manage to meet with the families of Osanloo and Ebrahim Madadi, Vice President of the union, and with relatives of Salehi of the Saqez Bakery Workers’ Association, both of whom have also been imprisoned. The families were reported to be delighted that the plight of imprisoned union leaders has not been forgotten by the outside world.

Hanafi Rustandi described the mission as “a test case for the friendship between our two Muslim countries”. He added: “Iran should show its commitment to international labour standards and universal human rights. We hope this problem can be settled and Osanloo can be released due to the good ties between our two countries.”


Related Link: http://www.itfglobal.org/news-online/index.cfm/newsdetail/1616
author by Luigi Galleanipublication date Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:09author address author phone Report this post to the editors

It looks as if the Iranian Junta are prepared to let Osanloo go blind. This report is from the International Transport Federation which represents 4.5 million workers worldwide.

The ITF has learned that imprisoned Iranian trade unionist Mansour Osanloo is in danger of losing his sight following the latest government ploy to silence him.

Despite government promises Osanloo has not received the emergency treatment that he desperately needs to treat injuries to his eyes sustained when he was assaulted by government security forces two years ago – even though the prison doctor has admitted that if he is not treated within the next two weeks he could go blind.

Just a week ago Hanafi Rustandi, President of the Indonesian KPI union, flew to Iran on the ITF’s behalf to visit Osanloo in prison. He was told the reason he couldn’t see Osanloo was because he was receiving the urgent medical treatment he needed. Shortly afterwards the same excuse was used to block a visit to Osanloo by his wife, Parvenah.


Related Link: http://www.itfglobal.org/news-online/index.cfm/newsdetail/1624
author by Luigi Galleanipublication date Thu Oct 18, 2007 14:23author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Here is a report from Amnesty International on the situation:

Prisoner of conscience Mansour Ossanlu, leader of the Union of Workers of the Tehran and Suburbs Bus Company (Sherkat-e Vahed), was arrested on 10 July 2007. He was previously detained for eight months, from December 2005 to August 2006, and again for a month from November to December 2006 in connection with his trade union activities. He had reportedly been sentenced to five years' imprisonment in May 2007, but was believed to be free on bail at the time of his arrest.

When a delegation of visiting Indonesian trade unionists, and later his wife, tried to visit Mansour Ossanlu at Evin prison on 9 October, the prison authorities claimed that he had been taken to hospital for urgent medical treatment for injuries he had sustained at the hands of the security forces in May 2005. His wife was eventually able to see him on 15 October, when he told her he had received no medical treatment at all.


Here is some information on restrictions on Trade Unions in Iran:

Independent trade unions are not permitted in Iran, and discriminatory legislation means that certain categories of people are not permitted to stand for election as workers’ representatives of government-recognised unions; government supervisory bodies select who can stand for union posts, and all public sector jobs. Trades unions in Iran are represented by a body known as Workers House, whose leaders are also subject to selection criteria imposed by the state, weakening its ability to effectively represent workers' concerns. The Union of Workers of the Tehran and Suburbs Bus Company, which resumed activities in 2004 after a 25-year ban, is still not legally recognised.

Full text at:

Related Link: http://www.amnesty.org.uk/actions_details.asp?ActionID=334
author by Watcherpublication date Thu Oct 18, 2007 19:35author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"Here is a report from Amnesty International on the situation:"

Does Amnesty International only highlight injustices that occur in Iran? Would Amnesty International not be concerned with being repeatedly associated with attacks on oppression and injustice but which focuses solely on Iran?

It is surely wrong that any individual would cite these sources to support a targeted attack on one country only and accordingly could well be regarded as an abuse of the good offices of those agencies who do trogan work fighting injustice and oppression everywhere it occurs. If there is a case that oppression and injustice is so utterly worse in Iran than that which occurs elsewhere and therefore to single out Iran for repeated attack can be explained on that basis, then those that are posting these threads must make that case to justify their actions. In the meantime they must cease quoting and using material published by international agencies that are attempting to confront these issues wherever they occur without fear or favour. This material cannot be selectively applied.

author by Anto Cliffpublication date Mon Oct 22, 2007 15:20author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Good news about Mansour Osanloo, hes finally got the medical treatment he required.

Following major protests last week the ITF is delighted to have learned that on Saturday Mansour Osanloo received the emergency eye treatment that it, Amnesty International and trade unions worldwide demanded. The ITF says that it hopes that this may be a first step towards more humane and just treatment of the prisoners. The campaign for their release continues.

author by Anto Cliffpublication date Fri Oct 26, 2007 12:20author address author phone Report this post to the editors

More news of international trade union solidarity with imprisoned Iranian trade unionists. Full text at the lionk below.

As part of the ITF’s international action week held from 15-21 October, unions participated in the ITF’s “Free Osanloo” badge campaign. The campaign symbolises the repression against Mansour Osanloo and other Iranian trade unionists – including Ebrahim Madadi and Mahmoud Salehi, both of whom are also in prison.

Actions included: a lobby by 10,000 Norwegian workers who wore the Free Osanloo badge to work; a protest rally in front of the Iranian embassy in Brussels,and the presentation of a protest letter to the Iranian ambassador by a Central American union delegation attending a meeting of the ITF and the Danish trade union 3F in Managua, Nicaragua. Pakistani workers protested in Lahore.

In Australia, unions organised press conferences expressing support for Iranian workers, while in Seoul, Korea, activists from two road transport unions distributed badges and leaflets to bus and taxi drivers. Workers in Morocco also signed a protest letter addressed to the Iranian President.

Workers Protest in Lahore in support of Mansour Osanloo
Workers Protest in Lahore in support of Mansour Osanloo

Related Link: http://www.itfglobal.org/news-online/index.cfm/newsdetail/1648
author by Peter Kpublication date Fri Oct 26, 2007 13:08author address author phone Report this post to the editors

They look really oppressed dont they, I dare say they look in better health than most of our own indigenous impoverished.

It is astonishing that they are even allowed protest at all considering the way the Iranian government has been described here. Where are the Islamist police, the nazi jack boot tactics and the putting down of this protest with live ammunition and baton charges.

A picture is indeed better than a 1000 words.

author by Anto Cliffpublication date Fri Oct 26, 2007 13:30author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"They look really oppressed dont they, I dare say they look in better health than most of our own indigenous impoverished... It is astonishing that they are even allowed protest at all considering the way the Iranian government has been described here."

If you had bothered to read the comment then you would have noted that the picture was taken in Lahore, Pakistan. It is a photo of Pakistani workers showing their solidarity with Osanloo.

author by Peter Kpublication date Fri Oct 26, 2007 13:35author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Oh you mean the same picture that was taken last year In bangladesh showing the same solidarity?

Whats this rent a mob?

author by Anto Cliffpublication date Fri Oct 26, 2007 13:54author address author phone Report this post to the editors

You have been exposed as someone who didnt even read the comment. But you keep on digging. You are now mocking Pakistani trade unionists who took action in support of Osanloo. I dont know who you think you are supporting. You are truly odd if you think you are advancing some progresive political ideology by mocking an imprisoned trade unionist and his supporters in Pakistan.

osanloo.jpg

author by Anto Cliffpublication date Fri Oct 26, 2007 14:38author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The thread is about Iran. When stories are posted about Burma or Darfur you do not post comments on them demanding that every other country be dealt with as well. Why not write stories about the issues you raise instead of derailing this one.

Whats important about this thread is that it shows that there is support for Iranian Trade Unionists all over the world. No amount of trolling by you can negate this.

Here are messages of support for Osanloo from Trade Unions in Arab countries:

"We demand the immediate release of brother Mansour as well as to respect the freedom of association, laws and international conventions. We condemn these practices that strike trade unions rights".
- Kalthoum Barkallah
Secretary of International Relations, Fédération générale des chemins de fer tunisiens (General Union of Railway Workers – Tunisia)

“The General Union for Transport Workers in Palestine deplores and condemns the barbaric and cowardly methods played by irresponsible bands who exercised practices against democracy and against the legitimate institutions by kidnapping our brother Mansour Osanloo.”.
- Nasser Younes
President, General Union for Transport Workers, Palestine

“In the name of the Petrochemical union, we condemn and deplore this flagrant attack on our colleague Mansour Osanloo. We ask the Iranian government to get involved for the immediate release of our brother Mansour”.
- Khaled Zyood
President, General Union of Petrochemicals, Jordan

“The Air Transport Union in Egypt condemned this act. We express our solidarity and our strong support to Mansour Osanloo and to his Union.
- Mohamed Shahata
President, Air Transport Union, Egypt

“We, The Maritime Union in Egypt, denounce what happened to our brother Mansour Osanloo and we express our support to his family and his union.
- Adel Al Sobhi
President, Maritime Union, Egypt

“We, Air transport Union in Lebanon, send our support to Mansour Osanloo’s Family as well as his trade union. We want to express our solidarity to them to this unqualified act. We really hope that our colleague will be released soon”.
- Jebran Abu Heidar
Air Transport Union, Lebanon

“We have been informed of the shocking kidnapping of our brother Mansour Osanloo. We express our support to the bus workers’ union in this struggle and we demand the international parties to do all that is in its capacity in order to release our colleague.”
-Abdel Hamid Daraji
General Secretary, SNTF/UGTA (railway union), Algeria

“In the name of all the railway workers, we denounced the kidnapping of Mansour Osanloo, President of the ITF – affiliated bus workers’ union. We consider this act as anti – trade union which touches all the International Convention which preserves trade union freedoms and our trade union rights. We require the immediate release of our colleague."
- Mohamed Haytoum
General Secretary, UMT – Fédération Nationale du Transport du Rail, Morocco

“In the name of the Ports Workers' Union Confederation of the Moroccan Union of Work, we condemn what happen to our brother, Mansour Osanloo, and the injustice against the right of freedom of association and the union. We also express our solidarity with the Iranian bus workers’ union and Mansour’s family.”
- Said al Hairech
UMT - Union Syndicale des Travailleurs des Ports du Maroc, Morocco


Texts of statements plus additional statements here:
http://www.itfglobal.org/urban-transport/urban-transpor...7.cfm

Text in Arabic here:
http://www.itfglobal.org/urban-transport/urban-transpor...eID/9

Text in Farsi here:
http://www.itfglobal.org/urban-transport/urban-transpor...farsi

author by Peter Kpublication date Fri Oct 26, 2007 14:55author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Pat, will you stop with the psuedonyms mate.

Its becoming cringingly obvious. Your shenanigans only make you look like a shrill harpy bent on getting centre stage with any message or intent lost.

author by Anto Cliffpublication date Fri Oct 26, 2007 16:01author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The president of the Indonesian sea farers union (KPI) has challenged the Iranian Ambassador to a public debate on Irans victimisation of trade unionists.

Speaking after his recent return from a mission to Iran, Hanafi Rustandi, ITF representative and President of the Indonesian seafarers’ union the KPI (Kesatuan Pelaut Indonesia), today challenged the country’s ambassador in Indonesia to debate its victimisation of trade unionists. On Indonesian National Television in Jakarta at 17:00 today he threw down the gauntlet by offering to go face to face with Iran’s ambassador on live television.

Rustandi explained: “My visit to Iran arose from a promise the ambassador made in August and the desire to reach out from one Muslim country to another to assist those fellow workers there who are being ill-treated. I believe that if the ambassador had his way I might have been able to breach the walls of secrecy that surround the Evin prison, but that this was prevented by people in the government who have so much to hide about the way Mansour Osanloo has been treated. I look forward to publicly discussing with the ambassador what has been going on and where he believes we go from here to right this sad situation.”


Related Link: http://www.itfglobal.org/press-area/index.cfm/pressdetail/1626/region/1/section/0/order/1
author by Peter Kpublication date Fri Oct 26, 2007 16:08author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Of Course Indonesia is a Utopia when it come to Human Rights, The East Timorese will better tend the graves of their loved ones knowing there is a regime apparently more muderous and evil than the one that caused mayhem in their country.

Are you seriously expecting anyone to place any credence in this PR stunt.
Opportunism at best.

author by War Watchpublication date Fri Oct 26, 2007 17:07author address author phone Report this post to the editors

This is action taken by Indonesian trade unionists in support of Iranian trade unionists. It has nothing to do with the Indonesian Government. Its a strange person who cannot comphrehend international trade union solidarity.

The International Transport Federation represents 4.5 million transport workers around the world.

Just a couple of comments up you will see statements of support for Osanloo from transport unions in Arab countries.

author by Anto Cliffpublication date Fri Oct 26, 2007 17:18author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Here is a link to a letter from Hanafi Rustandi to the Iranian President which shows that he was acting on behalf of the Trade Union Movement.

Related Link: http://www.itfglobal.org/files/seealsodocs/4977/Protest%20Letter%20%2D%20ITF%20Indonesia300707.pdf
author by Watcherpublication date Sat Oct 27, 2007 09:29author address author phone Report this post to the editors

For those interested, ITUC has published (On web site), it's 1st Annual Survey of Violations of Trade Union Rights covering 138 countries and not surprisingly it makes for chilling reading. It is a very important document as it portrays the problem in proper context and when viewed in the context it exposes those who abuse the ITUC by selectively quoting from data that they have painstakingly collated to draw attention of the issue.

Some examples are,

Deaths: Africa 24, Americas 80, Asia and the Pacific 37, Europe 0, Middle East 3, TOTAL144

Death Threats: Africa 24, Americas 31, Asia and the Pacific 10, Europe 0, Middle East 0, TOTAL 45

Torture/B/I: Africa 133, Americas 97, Asia and Pacific 427, Europe 14, Middle east 161, TOTAL 832

Detentions: Africa 65, Americas 1, Asia and Pacific 353, Europe 8, middle east 57, TOTAL 484.

The report is highly recommended and is a must read for those genuinely concerned with the plight of comrades across the world.

author by Anto Cliffpublication date Tue Oct 30, 2007 14:42author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Mansour Osanlou, the president of Tehran and Suburbs Bus Company (Vahed) Union’s board of directors was shortly transferred to a Tehran hospital on October 28, 2007 where he underwent a critical eye surgery last week. Mr. Osanlou was taken back to Evin prison on Friday October 26, 2007 against doctor’s recommendation to remain in hospital in order to receive necessary medical care following his lengthy eye surgery. Mansour Osanlou was kidnapped by security forces and put in jail on July 10, 2007, a few days before a scheduled operation on his left eye. He was denied the urgent medical care since his imprisonment.

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