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Jump To Comment: 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1I think I come off a bit more negative than I intend to at times, but that's part of the price of being an activist I think. I'm still kinda new to all this I'm ashamed to say. Tis very hard to know where to turn off the 'voice of dissent.' But overall I agree with you. We will win this.
I see Niall Harnett is proposing a meeting at the Teacher's Club on fools day. This fool wouldn't miss it. I'm afraid I had to miss the march, otherwise I'd have made it my business to catch up with you.
I think most activists can sense a change in the wind, I know I can.
History shows us that peace always wins. But it also shows us that war and hatred are cyclical things. I think we have two obligations to ourselves, seeing that we have history as a blueprint. Not only do we need to stop this war and our participation in it, we need to break the cycle. I know this sounds almost mainstream, this 'break the cycle' theme, I cannot help that, I believe it rings true. I think we are in a time and a place where it is at last possible to put war behind us forever. Even 10 years ago we were not where we are right now. You're in me sitting room right now, even though a couple of hundred miles seperates us. That's useful and it has not been around before. To quote the other of the two great Bobs: 'The times, they are a changin.'
I'd like to add that you'll always be welcome in me sitting room. The one important thing about dark times is that it tends to bring out the best in people and indeed the best of people. I have a faith in myself and my fellow citizens that verges on the religious, it almost threatens my status as a heathenous anarchist.
Faith - keep some and pass it on.
Sláinte,
Seán
Thanks, Seán.
Some of your comments suggest that you are disappointed with where we are. But, while I am disappointed and disgusted with where we are, i.e. still providing a military base for troops in transit to Iraq and Afghanistan, I think we must also be crystal-clear about how much we have achieved over the last three years.
For one thing, Ireland's participation in the war in Iraq and in facilitating the abductions of civilians is an ongoing and increasing embarrassment to the government. Each official denial has been followed by a revelation of the ugly truth. For example, the government attempted to deny that US military planes were passing through Shannon, and they were shown to be liars. The government is now attempting to deny that any CIA prisoners have passed through Shannon, and concrete proof of their collusion may yet materialise.
Also, even if the international demonstrations are now smaller than they were, they must make an impact on the consciousness of American citizens and politicians who see the demos, the pictures and the news coverage - not least the coverage provided to a global audience by IMC sites.
There were Americans on O'Connell St. on Saturday who were heartened to participate in a very colourful and cheerful peace demo in that most magical place, Ireland, the day after St. Patrick's Day. And I came across at least one who was loudly displeased to know that so many Irish people detest his country's aggressive behaviour towards Iraq and Iran.
Such mechanisms help to explain the extremely low levels of popular support for Bush and the war - to the point where he has now had to acknowledge in a speech that his people don't get it.
No doubt, year after year, Americans will keep coming to Dublin for the Paddy's Festival and will go home enlightened about what the world thinks about their foreign policy. Maybe the black shamrock will become our biggest new export commodity, displacing the Aran sweater as the souvenir that best captures the spirit of Ireland?
What you saw on Saturday was only the loose end of the thread that unravelled Bertie's jumper. You might have seen me there, but - as you must be able to figure out - the effort I put into selling a few black shamrocks at the Cosantóirí stall was only a fraction of the anti-war work I have done over the last couple of years.
It is not so much the size but the persistence of the street demos, and not just the impact of successful street demos but of a diversity of actions that will eventually exhaust the war movement.
People are talking, writing, organising, planning. Day after day, in a thousand different ways, we demonstrate our commitment to a vision of a beautiful new world.
We are going to win this. The so-called war on terrorism (SCWOT) is such a non-runner that we can't fail. But Rome wasn't burnt in a day.
Hasta la victoria siempre. ;-)
Coilín.
Well said Dr. Coilín.
Imagine a group of 800 people in Dublin, all spread out and acting together but as individuals too under their own stewardship. 800 people could theoretically have a demonstration that covered the whole of the city.
Space management and diversity are the new tools of activism.
Marching needs to evolve. In its current format it is a powerful spectacle and offers inspiration. But it lacks a result. The capitalist media is against us. And irregardless as to turnout it will always be spun as a failure. The War Machine/Capitalism has had plenty of time to figure out a response to traditional methods of demonstrating. The proof being that we are where we are.
If you believe yourself to be of good character, and you believe your voice is silenced and you wish to exercise your voice - then do it. Do not wait to be told, or asked or begged. Be worthy of your own ideas on morality and act to see them achieved or at least voiced.
Despite where we are right now we have a very proud history. A history of courageous individuals who in the collective are what it is to be Irish. We can best act as a people by acting as strong individuals.
Thanks to the organisers, and to the anarchists who took the initiative to do their own thing. Thanks to those who are working to create a unified anti-war movement, and to those working to create a movement made up of diverse groups, each demanding an end to war in its own way.
I doubt there are many peace movements around the world that can pride themselves on the diversity of approaches and views that the Irish movement enjoys. It's inspiring to see those of one persuasion saluting those of another, as when the anarchists salute the radical Christians.
My own preference would be an Irish anti-war movement consisting of about 4 million different daily demonstrations to demilitarise our airports. And, in fact, maybe the missing 99,200 people who turned up in February 2003 but not last Saturday were all busy holding their own peace demos in 99,200 other places. There are so many ways to demonstrate!
In any case, it was a beautiful day and a beautiful demo, or two.
Finally, thanks for shooting the video! I was stuck at the Cosantóirí stand outside the GPO, so it's handy to be able to see what happened elsewhere. Truly revolting! ;-)
Best,
Coilín.
To the bickering children who use these pages to slander each other;
Shame on all of you – can you not see that ye are wasting time and energy word bashing each other here… put your time to better use…. So much to do out there rather than bicker….. live and let live….. people are different …. People have always…. And WILL ALWAYS have different ways of expressing themselves….. live with it!!!!!!
Although there is plenty of room to be critical on this one, saying that anarchists are a poison on the movement shows your either a cop or somebody with a very slight understanding of anarchism in this country! The Anarchists involved with the march in dublin represent a single faction of the irish anarchist movement which is i think is very young and aspirational! they hardly constitute a split in the movement.
More power to them!
DONT JOIN AN EXSISTING CONFLICT ON ITS TERMS AND MAKE YOURSELF A PAWN IN ITS PATTERNS: Define and redefine the terms of the conflict - from 'democracy versus terrorism' to 'freedom versus power', for example! Find ways to make premises subvert themselves, to draw people together in ways they thought impossible, to upset the entire paradigm of struggle.
CrimethInc.
this is unbeleivable. You broke of from the rest of the group like a good little sect so that you could do something. This amounted to listening to boring speeches. So why did you split the anti war movement. Anarchists are poison on the movement. Tearing it apart. This is the last time i ever listen to anarchists and their we are the only ones who "do something" crap.
Nice one lads. Nice bit of videowork. Keep it up.
part of the material - we got more and we wont hesitate to use it! (if we find time to edit it)
http://obin.org/video/wawa/18-03-06-antywar.mpg
58,9 MB, 5:54m, some good polish ragga (underground as f. ), MPEG2
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