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category international | summit mobilisations | other press author Friday July 08, 2005 14:54author by redjade Report this post to the editors

blog it here

a collection of quotes and such from the US MSM....
FAUX News
FAUX News

The following exchange between Fox News host Brian Kilmeade and Fox News business contributor and substitute host Stuart Varney occurred during breaking news coverage of the attacks on London subways and buses on the July 7 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends:


• KILMEADE: And he [British Prime Minister Tony Blair] made the statement, clearly shaken, but clearly determined. This is his second address in the last hour. First to the people of London, and now at the G8 summit, where their topic Number 1 --believe it or not-- was global warming, the second was African aid. And that was the first time since 9-11 when they should know, and they do know now, that terrorism should be Number 1. But it's important for them all to be together. I think that works to our advantage, in the Western world's advantage, for people to experience something like this together, just 500 miles from where the attacks have happened.

• VARNEY: It puts the Number 1 issue right back on the front burner right at the point where all these world leaders are meeting. It takes global warming off the front burner. It takes African aid off the front burner. It sticks terrorism and the fight on the war on terror, right up front all over again.

• KILMEADE: Yeah.

from
http://mediamatters.org/items/200507070005

author by redjadepublication date Fri Jul 08, 2005 14:58author address author phone Report this post to the editors

All day long people have been saying to me, "Wasn't it great they didn't pick Paris?" And I've been saying, "No, no, no."

Paris was exactly the right place to pick and the Olympic committee screwed up.

Why? Simple. It would have been a three-week period where we wouldn't have had to worry about terrorism.

First, the French think they are so good at dealing with the Arab world that they would have gone out and paid every terrorist off. And things would have been calm.

Or another way to look at it is the French are already up to their eyeballs in terrorists. The French hide them in miserable slums, out of sight of the rich people in Paris.

So it would have been a treat, actually, to watch the French dealing with the problem of their own homegrown Islamist terrorists living in France already.

What would the French have done about rounding up their own citizens?

Would they have afforded their own terrorists the rights they insist we give the detainees at Gitmo? Not a chance. They'd throw them in the clink, or ship them off to North Africa pronto.

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author by redjadepublication date Fri Jul 08, 2005 15:01author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The other thing is, of course, people have -- you know, the market was down. It was down yesterday, and you know, you may have had some bargain-hunting going on. I mean, my first thought when I heard -- just on a personal basis, when I heard there had been this attack and I saw the futures this morning, which were really in the tank, I thought, "Hmmm, time to buy."

more at
http://mediamatters.org/items/200507070007

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author by eeeekkkkkpublication date Fri Jul 08, 2005 15:03author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Brit Hume (Fox News):  "...my first thought when I heard -- just on a personal basis, when I heard there had been this attack and I saw the futures this morning, which were really in the tank, I thought, 'Hmmm, time to buy.'"  

Brian Kilmeade (Fox News):  "that works to...the Western world's advantage, for people to experience something like this together."
Washington Times Lead Editorial "Even when we are debating terrorism here in the United States, the argument in recent months has not focused on how to wage a better war on terror. Instead, we dither over proper handling of the Koran; whether terrorists should be treated like normal criminals; or if Iraq is a central front. Responsible Americans must wonder now if the present debate is moving us farther away from security. "

Michelle  Malkin:  "London has been a breeding ground for bomb-loving Jihadists."
Captain's Quarters:  "We, Brit and American, will finish the job. There is a reason that English-speaking people have dominated the world for centuries..."

Blogs for Bush: "We on the right are lectured endlessly on how the dissent shown by the left vis a vis the War on Terrorism is actually the highest form of patriotism...I've long held that its actually just a bunch of anti-American bellyachers spouting off on things beyond their comprehension."

Trey Jackson:  "Enough hand holding, appeasing, talking "their" talk..........THE BUSH DOCTRINE................either you're with us or against us. I say, first  Declare War on Syria with our Coalition (Brits, Japanese, Baltic Nations, Israel, Australia) with a tactical approach to moving into Iran. "

Mark Steyn "With hindsight, the Spaniards were let off lightly for their contemptible behaviour [voting out a conservative government in the aftermath of the Madrid train attacks of 3/11/04]....After the initial shock of stumbling over the truth, what will Britain do? Go back to the Bob Geldof agenda or avenge her dead?"

Little Green Footballs (multiple comments)

 "We need to stop fucking with these people and kill every one involved. I mean anyone with prior knowledge, anyone who payed for it, and anyone who supported it. Regardless of nationality."

"If its Islamic it will probably blow up.  All Islamic get full body searches with VERY high intensity X-rays ."

"The best way to deliver those high intensity x-rays is through some W76 warheads at around 100 kt a piece. It will be easier to give a full body search after that."

"Britain should END ALL ISLAMIC IMMIGRATION NOW....Continuing to welcome the enemy into your country is insane."
"subhumans, first time on 2 feet...round em all up, every friggin' last one of them...unfortunately, I still think it will take even more violence from the Arabs before the West wakes up and goes savage on em"

"Some folks go out of their way to tell me that treasonous, anti-American statements made by high-level Democrats and high-level liberals just about every day don't reflect on Democrats or liberals."

Related Link: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/7/8/6026/56783
author by redjadepublication date Fri Jul 08, 2005 15:11author address author phone Report this post to the editors

October 25, 2004
George W Bush:
We are fighting these terrorists with our military in
Afghanistan and Iraq and beyond so we do not
have to face them in the streets of our own cities.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/10/20041025-4.html

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April 26, 2005
• Major terror attacks triple in '04 by U.S. count
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7643286/
WASHINGTON - The U.S. count of major world terrorist attacks more than tripled in 2004, a rise that may revive debate about whether the Bush administration is winning the war on terrorism, congressional aides said Tuesday.

The number of “significant” international terrorist attacks rose to about 650 last year from about 175 in 2003, according to congressional aides briefed Monday on the numbers by U.S. State Department and intelligence officials.

author by redjadepublication date Fri Jul 08, 2005 15:23author address author phone Report this post to the editors

• Andrew Sullivan said in September 6, 2003, UK Sunday Times......

If the terrorists leave us alone in Iraq, fine, he said. But if they come and get us, even better. Far more advantageous to fight terror using trained soldiers in Iraq than trying to defend civilians in New York or London. "Think of it as a flytrap," he ventured. Iraq would not simply be a test-case for Muslim democracy; it would be the first stage in a real and aggressive war against the terrorists and their sponsors in Ryadh and Damascus and Tehran. Operation Flytrap had been born.

[....]

If it wasn't a central part of the strategy from the beginning, it was surely a Plan B. And from statements from key Bush officials in the past couple of months, it's clear that it's now very close to Plan A.

What else did president Bush mean when he challenged the terror-masters to "bring 'em on," in Iraq?

http://andrewsullivan.com/main_article.php?artnum=20030906

author by redjadepublication date Fri Jul 08, 2005 16:18author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Friday, July 08, 2005

Classic Moments on CNN

Just now.

Miles O'Brien: Let's get started with Jeevan Deol who is a witness to the bombings yesterday and also a Muslim scholar in London and happened to be right near where the double decker bus blew up. I want to ask you about what you saw but first I am curious what the reaction within the Muslim community is this day after those attacks.


Jeevan Deol: Well, I'm afraid Miles I'm going to have to correct you I am not a Muslim so I think I'm going to have to pass on that question.

O'Brien: I'm sorry I thought it was said you're a Mus- you're not a Muslim scholar?

Deol: No I work on terrorism and security issues in the University of London.

Related Link: http://atrios.blogspot.com/2005_07_03_atrios_archive.html#112083014101421395
author by redjadepublication date Fri Jul 08, 2005 16:27author address author phone Report this post to the editors

• • • The Irish 'Freedom Institute' says....

The answer is simple.

We are infidels because we view women as equals.
We are infidels because we view homosexuals as equals.
We are infidels because we grant all our citizenry an equal say in the election of a government.
We are infidels because we believe in religious freedom.
We are infidels because we tolerate Page 3 of the Sun Newspaper.
We are infidels because we allow the sale of Alcohol in our society.
We are infidels because we do not outlaw free speech.

The list goes on.

[....]

Let me be clear. The United States and Britain have made mistakes in Iraq, and in Afghanistan. But the project that they are persuing is the only way to conquer the ideology behind these attacks. If they abandon this project, and admit failure, they will place the entire Mid-East into the hands of these people. If they succeed, on the other hand, then this ideology, which seeks to replace the politics of hope with the rule of terror, will find fewer and fewer places to hide.

In Afghanistan, these people once ruled. Today, they rule a few remote mountaintops. Girls who were once banned from schools now attend them as equals.

The people who attacked us, and I mean us, today, want to terrify us into placing those girls futures back into their hands.

Some, like Mr. Galloway, would go down that path.

[....]

Related Link: http://www.freedominst.org/2005/07/why-did-they-die.html
author by Dutch Joepublication date Fri Jul 08, 2005 16:30author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Those Crazy guys. Don't dey know it was the Yankees who fanned the flames of Taliban Islamism and brought down a secular Afghanistan

author by eeekkkkpublication date Fri Jul 08, 2005 17:26author address author phone Report this post to the editors

If they were real ballbusting evangelical loving neocons they'd concentrate on the enemy within and it would go like


They are traitorous liberals because they view women as equals.
They are traitorous liberals because they view homosexuals as equals.
They are traitorous liberals because they would grant all our citizenry an equal say in the election of a government.
They are traitorous liberals because they believe in religious freedom.
They are traitorous liberals because they tolerate Janet Jackson's breast
They are traitorous liberals because they don't support the war on drugs.
They are traitorous liberals because they do not want us to outlaw (dangerous anti-military) free speech.

author by redjadepublication date Fri Jul 08, 2005 17:36author address author phone Report this post to the editors

....conservative commentator Ann Coulter, who wrote in a syndicated column on September 12 that in responding to terrorists "we should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity."

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2001/0111.coulterwisdom.html

Bob Guccione, Jr's ex-GF?
http://www.nndb.com/people/474/000022408/

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author by Irish readerpublication date Sat Jul 09, 2005 06:02author address author phone Report this post to the editors

It is sad for America that cerebrally challenged individuals like Coulter manage to get into prominent positions in the media. Life really is too short to read volumes and volumes of deranged rant.
On the other hand we in this country have the likes of Kevin Myers, Eoghan Harris, and numerous lesser known ranters, along with imported crapology from the likes of Mark Steyn, so I don't think we are any better off.

author by The Devil and George Warmonger Bushpublication date Sat Jul 09, 2005 10:59author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Terror and Fear is the only thing Bush has for Sale. Without it the Bush Regime could not survive. The attacks in London, like Madrid and 9-11 were the work of White Collar Narco Terrorist and not the Koran Toting/America Hating Muslims, as CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, BBC, AP, and Fox News would like you to believe. As you can clearly this kind of Crime is being exploited Wholesale by the Bush/PNAC Regime. And after the London Attacks the Bush War Lies have disappeared from the News while the Bush News Network Screams "Dirty Arab" once more, while defending the use of Torture, Carpet Bombing Civilians, and Death Squads. Terror and Fear are often used by the Killer Bee's (Bushites) as a way of controlling the Worker Bee's. Without the Killer Bee's could not hold on to power.

author by redjadepublication date Sat Jul 09, 2005 14:13author address author phone Report this post to the editors

• reaction to some of above links:

Rupert Murdoch's Fox News channel was under fire yesterday for comments by some of its leading journalists in response to the London bombs.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,1524852,00.html

author by redjadepublication date Sat Jul 09, 2005 15:05author address author phone Report this post to the editors

July 08, 2005
Euro-Jihadists and More

As the investigation into the London terrorist bombings continues, it will likely become apparent that radical Islamic jihadists who are either long-term residents of Europe or native-born European citizens were involved in the attacks. Europe, due to exceptionally liberal immigration policies since WW-II and the granting of independence to former colonies in the third world, has realized an explosion in its Muslim population. There is now an estimated 15 – 20 million Muslims on the European continent.

Related Link: http://counterterror.typepad.com/the_counterterrorism_blog/2005/07/eurojihadists_a.html
author by redjadepublication date Sat Jul 09, 2005 15:33author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Fianna Fáil politician, Michael Turley ( http://www.michaelturley.com ) takes on
'Freedom Fries Institute' Richard Waghorn ( http://freedominst.org/blog.html ) at Richard Delevan's Blog ( http://richarddelevan.blogspot.com/2005/07/theyre-winning.html ) about 7/7-Iraq War connections....


Michael Turley:
'However, I disagree with you if you are suggesting that it is unreasonable to comment that the Iraqi conflict, in particular, has acted as some sort of galvanizing influence or centralising imperative for disaffected extremists who are willing to inflict atrocities like the one in London yesterday. You may disagree with the analysis, you may find the uttering of such analysis at this time terribly incorrect but the argument is not without merit. And if one suggests that the Iraqi project is a terrible mistake does not mean that one advocates appeasing terrorists (for one thing, anyone who is willing to blow themselves up is most likely past appeasement).

"They're winning."

I don't think it could be said that anyone is winning.

- Michael Turley

source of above:
http://www.haloscan.com/comments/rdelevan/112074671857713463/

author by redjadepublication date Sat Jul 09, 2005 20:37author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Mona Charen:
If the Islamists had but the patience to play upon the guilt-ridden West's weakness, they might have their victory in a few decades. Leaning over backwards has become so common in the West that its enemies could reasonably wonder whether any spine remained at all. Brutal attacks like that in London snap us back to reality and remind all but the most weak-minded Europeans and Americans that appeasement is nothing less than slow surrender.

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Related Link: http://www.townhall.com/columnists/monacharen/mc20050708.shtml
author by redjadepublication date Sat Jul 09, 2005 20:41author address author phone Report this post to the editors

British Prime Minister Tony Blair's efforts to placate Bono and friends on global poverty look faintly ridiculous now that the London attacks have laid bare what should be his chief duty and that of other Western leaders — protecting the public from slaughter.

[....]

Critics of Bush and Blair argue that the Iraq war has nothing to do with the war on terror. But the terrorists have always known better. They realize that Arab radicalism's loss of Iraq and the establishment in Baghdad of a decent, stable, antiterrorist state would be a grave ideological blow.

[....]

Americans can take some cold comfort in the fact that al Qaeda surely would prefer to hit here in the States, but seemingly can't manage it. Such an attack, of course, could take place tomorrow. But that it hasn't yet is probably some testament to the efficacy of the Patriot Act, the immediate detention of hundreds of Muslim immigration violators after 9/11 (most, no doubt, innocent of any evil intention, but perhaps a crucial handful not), and tighter border control in general. Britain passed a new Prevention of Terrorism Bill only in March and, like most European countries, has relatively lax immigration and asylum policies.

Of course, all of these antiterror initiatives in the U.S. have been criticized by the ACLU and the usual suspects on the left. What they don't acknowledge is what we've been reminded of yet again — it's a war.

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Related Link: http://www.townhall.com/columnists/richlowry/rl20050708.shtml
author by redjadepublication date Sat Jul 09, 2005 20:44author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Rich Tucker:
Commentators repeatedly complain that our wars against Iraq and Afghanistan have created more terrorists. “The U.S. invasion of Iraq serves as a recruiting tool for more terrorists, making the U.S. and its citizens abroad less safe,” is how the National Organization for Women put it in March 2003.

But in Iraq alone, we’ve killed thousands of bad guys. Recall that on Sept. 12, 2001, a lot of us wondered, “How will we ever get at the guys who did this?” We’re getting them because they’re coming to us in Iraq.

[....]

Meanwhile, the world leaders gathered in Scotland ended up talking about the war on terror, which is far more important than global warming but probably wouldn’t have been on the agenda except for the London attacks. So, in a way, the terrorists may have ended up hastening their own inevitable demise.

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Related Link: http://www.townhall.com/columnists/richtucker/rt20050708.shtml
author by redjadepublication date Sat Jul 09, 2005 20:52author address author phone Report this post to the editors

At Britain’s hour of need, the United States will stand shoulder to shoulder with her British allies, who are bloodied but unbowed. The terrorists’ fatal conceit is similar to that of the Kaiser, Hitler, and Stalin: underestimating the power and determination of the Anglo-Saxon peoples. This is a war that may last for decades but will ultimately be won by the two nations that stand at the forefront of defending freedom and liberty on the world stage.

Related Link: http://www.heritage.org/Research/Europe/wm786.cfm
author by redjadepublication date Sat Jul 09, 2005 21:02author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Ak'Bar A. Shabazz, in Atlanta Gorgia:

Similar to the Spanish reaction, many will look at the cost in lives and resources and suggest abandoning the War on Terror. These suggestions are terribly misguided and very near-sighted. If you noticed a hive of hornets gathering in your backyard, would you turn a blind eye and cower in your home for fear of being stung? Or would you accept the potential of a few stings and proceed to eliminate the threat because of the severe ramifications of allowing them to congregate and operate freely? Our plight is very similar.

[....]

The recent bombings should encourage our country as well as the rest of the world to be more adamant about erasing terrorism. We only have two options. We can either fight them tenaciously, or choose to live under the constant expectation of a bombing. There is no middle ground. Increased diligence will weaken our opponents. A reduced level of diligence will encourage them.

Not Ak'Bar A. Shabazz (but it is an Advert on townhall.com)
Not Ak'Bar A. Shabazz (but it is an Advert on townhall.com)

Related Link: http://www.townhall.com/columnists/GuestColumns/Shabazz20050707.shtml
author by Reclaim the Victimspublication date Sat Jul 09, 2005 23:21author address author phone Report this post to the editors

This thread was started by redjade - the very person who was so quick to publish the blood thirsty claims of responsibility of the murder of 50+ people in London on Thursday 7/7.

"Rejoice the nation of Islam, rejoice nation of Arabs, the time of revenge has come for the Crusaders' Zionist British government. etc., etc.,"

His whole personal premise with this thread is that he's bent out of shape because he was caught doing so within the context of one of is previous postings criticising Sky News as spoon feeding consumers:

"This is a place to report news - so do so. If you want to be spoon fed news - go watch SkyNews"

Are not the jihadistas spoon feeding redjade? I think they are. And his mouth is still open.

On the wider front, his thread is part of an established pattern of deflecting attention from the real issue of the way. Were's what M. Cohen wrote in Dissent after the 9/11 slaugher:

"A rhetorical tactic is at play: always change the subject. Censure terror? Well, let’s talk about “the real issue”, globalization. Ask about a crisis in Islam? No, that’s bigoted, let’s discuss the real issue, Orientalism. Hasn’t the Left been through something like this before – and been discredited by it? Confront Stalinist atrocities? Ummm … let’s address “the real issues”, czarism, capitalism, and imperialism. Changing the subject signifies evasion. Sometimes it’s evasion of what means imply for ends and sometimes of the fact that the world doesn’t always present to us comforting choices."

Doesn't it sound all too familiar, and uncomfortable, redjade-redhanded.?

author by response to last commentpublication date Sat Jul 09, 2005 23:58author address author phone Report this post to the editors

indeed to reclaim the victims properly we need to see and read a good sample of how they are being manipulated already.

Meanwhile, Birmingham the largest city of the English midlands and the largest road transport hub in Britain has seen its city centre closed sine shortly after 22h00 for an alert. The city saw the 1974 pub bombings which thanks to inflamed public reaction, serious accompanying and back-lying contemporary national and international issues, and serious police and other malpractise saw several people serve long prison sentances for crimes they had not committed.

The event (latter one) has not yet received spin from either side of the chattering classes.

blog that madra redjade. we need it.

author by Anthony Gpublication date Sun Jul 10, 2005 00:22author address author phone Report this post to the editors

If 'Reclaim the Victims' had bothered to look through past stories and comments on this site, he/she might have realised that redjade links to many different stories that interest him whether or not he agrees with the point of view of the news source in question. So far I've seen him referred to as a Mossad lackey, an anti-Semite, a race-mixing red, a pro-Western cheerleader in Eastern Europe and god knows what else.

"On the wider front, his thread is part of an established pattern of deflecting attention from the real issue of the way." So quoting from a wide variety of other news sources - among them neo-conservative and other right wing sources - constitutes a deflection from the real issue. On the contrary, it informs the Indymedia reader of how other commentators are reacting to the recent apalling news. Aside from personally criticising and projecting strange motivations on to redjade, the above poster has provided very little new and relevant information.

author by NPR Listenerpublication date Sun Jul 10, 2005 00:33author address author phone Report this post to the editors

National Public Radio (NPR) in the USA carried comments (possibly by the selfsame Britt Hume) in the immediate wake of the London tube-bombings (in its regular "Marketplace" daily segment) about how the market had briefly dipped and then rebounded nicely as "savvy" investors swooped in for the kill on easy stocks in travel, tourism etc that had been dumped in panic buying. At least two different investors were quoted, one of them saying "we've become more callous"

Fox News is getting pounded for it's disgusting coverage of this tragedy, but so far NPR has been left out of the criticism. I'll try and find an audio archive of the show.

author by NPR Listenerpublication date Sun Jul 10, 2005 02:08author address author phone Report this post to the editors

On July 5th 2005, e.g. PRIOR to the attack:
Can we be sure of the insurers?
According to a report today by the OECD, if there were another another major terrorist attack, the economic catastrophe would be much worse than what most companies estimate. Marketplace's Hillary Wicai reports. (photo © Roberto Schmidt/Getty Images)
http://marketplace.publicradio.org/shows/2005/07/05/PM200507051.html

And on July 7th 2005 e.g. AFTER the attack (soothing nerves and helping avert the economic catastrophe above)
"A quick turnaround in the markets Click to read feature. (photo © Spencer Platt/Getty Images)A remarkable recovery on the markets today. The Dow closed up 31.61. Amy Scott watched the markets today, and follows the curve. (photo © Spencer Platt/Getty Images)"
http://marketplace.publicradio.org/shows/2005/07/07/PM200507071.html

"Why did US markets rally on a day like this ... "

"Energy, insurance and tourism related stocks took a dive but by the close many had recovered their losses ... Robert Berbera (sp?) is Chief Economist at brokerage ITG 'I think sane caliber kind of investor had second thoughts' plenty of companies rose on the days events especially in the defence and Homeland Security arenas, one company called Verent makes software that automatically identifies unattended baggage, it's stock jumped 12%. Other investors turned to traditional safe havens such as gold and bonds. As a strategist at Standard and Poors Sam Stovall has tracked Wall St.'s response to similar events 'the market tends to bottom out maybe 6 days into this unanticipated event'... economist Hugh Johnson says this is becoming a part of life ... ' it sounds cold-hearted but we're learning to live with outbreaks of terrorism' US investors may already have priced in the risk .. 'there's a long list of risks ... we're all part of that wall of worry that Wall St. climbs' ... today's investors seem to climb beyond those worries, I"m Amy Scott for Marketplace"

and here's some good callousness (but hey! the markets are OK, so that's OK)
But what about you? Click to read feature. (photo: Flickr/tangent)Host David Brown speaks with David Low, chief economist for the financial services agency First Tennessee, about the affect of today's bombings on personal investing. (photo: Flickr/tangent)
http://marketplace.publicradio.org/shows/2005/07/07/PM200507076.html

"Let's see here, we've discussed the effects of today's London attacks on the markets: we've explored what they might do to debt relief ... security spending .. travel. How about this: has the thought not occurred to you how the events of today should colour your own persoanl economic decisions?

It's certainly crossed the mind of Christopher Lowe, he commutes to an office in New York where he's Chief Economist at First Tennessee.

CL: It's funny you say that because I came in this morning on the train and was trying to figure out what it means for oil and the dollar and.... you know what's remarkable is I figured I'd be on the phone all day calming down clients. I haven't had to do that even once. It's almost as if we're learning from experience that these things as horrible as they are don't have a lasting impact, not on behaviour, not on spending and therefore not on investments. THe reaction cycle is so accelerated that we saw this morning that the pound was getting hammered the dollar was up, bonds were up, airline stocks were down and by the end of the day everythings pretty much back where it started"

Do you think people were trying to be opportunistic, you know, early on?

CL: No, they're not trying to be opportunistic, they're trying to get out of the way, and ah I think it's important to stress that when people come in selling airline stocks, the airlines are suffering enough as it is and all of a sudden they worry what if no one gets on a plane on the next month or so.

Given all the dire predictions about how another AlQ attack might affect investor confidence. Do you think that maybe some of those predictions were overblown?

CL: Yes, I do. And I think part of that is because hwen we reacted to the 911 attacks we were reacting blind and now unfortunately we have almost too much experience in this kind of thing and ah what we've seen is that people are remarkably resilient and are able to pick up the pieces and put they're lives back together in very short order and because of that the reaction in the markets to each one of these incidents has been more muted to the last.

So, in answer to the question, how does this affect me on the other end of this loudspeaker, as a listener whaddaya say?

CL: Well [...] US investors diversified and got involved with bonds and real estates [...] it gives us a degree of protection and I think you can pretty much let things ride.

author by kevin raymond - human racepublication date Sun Jul 10, 2005 08:55author email kjpraymond53 at hotmail dot comauthor address n / aauthor phone n / aReport this post to the editors

Has It All Come To This?

I've been knocked for six I can't get to work
All roads are shut, we're on full alert
The tube is in turmoil as are the streets
As medics and police cover bodies with sheets
The scene is of carnage, on innocent folk
As commuters leave stations choking with smoke
What this I see are they having a laugh?
They flash up the markets
We're down by a half

Soot covered people are hyper with angst
While men look for women
Who we're lost in the bangs
I see it, but really is all of this true?
The dow jones and footsie
Have just come in view
People are dieing out there on the street
They flash up the markets
How dare they, the creeps!

How many explosions, how many are dead?
Who were the culprits, by whom are they led?
How are we coping with all this abuse
Just flash up the markets
Before all the news !

The death toll is mounting
We can't tell you yet
How bad it has been
How much worse it will get
Poignant pictures come oh so quick
Then they flash up the footsie
It makes me feel sick !

Life is so cheap
Has it all come to this?
As an outrage in carnage
Where many more will perish
What can I tell you
What can I say?
Flash up the markets
To make it all go away !

Our value's have changed
We all are so driven
By possesion obsession
And all that we're given
Life that was precious is now in the way
Of the footsie and dow jones
Tell me, what do they say?


I'm a Londoner who is still in shock from whats gone on in the last week, but this tops the lot, as our city is echoing to the sound of sirens and smoke billowing out all around, on to our t.v screens comes a cheery voice to tell us about the markets and how this, the carnage is affecting them? Have we really lost the feckin plot or what? People are dieing for Christs-sake and we're more concerned with a point on the feckin markets??? The t.v company should be bought to task and hauled over the coals alongside the hotels who doubled and trebled their room rates to Londoners who couldn't get home cos of the public transport shutdown. Name and feckin shame the money grabbing bastards!

Big shout goes out to all the boys and girls on the building site oposite UCH hospital who to a man and a woman were on the spot right away giving blood donations! Glad to see we stil have some caring human beings about instead of feckin parasites!

Big Up to all of yer!

peace

one love

kev.

author by redjadepublication date Sun Jul 10, 2005 19:11author address author phone Report this post to the editors

thx to those who commented above - always know I have an audience for my mad blogging efforts - pro or neo-con.

It doesn't bother me tho, I just wish there was more articulation coming from 'the other side' - Righteous Pragmatist was sometimes good for that, but he's gone these days

I replied to something iosaf wrote, which I was also thinking of this thread when I wrote it:
http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=70766#comment114177

author by redjadepublication date Sun Jul 10, 2005 19:15author address author phone Report this post to the editors

• Domenico from the 'Freedom' Institute (who just got back from Saudi Arabia - read the comments, if you like) says:

''....the poorest countries on the planet are virtually terrorist-free. Who has ever heard of an Ethiopian or a Bangladeshi terrorist blowing himself up with C4 in the name of ‘social justice’ and redistribution of wealth? Poverty has nothing to do terrorism.

[....]

But it is nothing of the sort. Behind the terrorist acts of al Qaeda lies nothing else but profound ideological incompatibility of the attackers with the libertarian set of values. It is the same ideological incompatibility which used to drive the European extreme left of the past like Baader Meinhof or Brigate Rosse. It is the ideological contempt of those who wish to surrender their freedom to someone or something else just to avoid the agony of the free will and the responsibility of the personal choice. They want someone else to take care of their affairs and tell them what to do. They want God, they want the Society or they want the Party to be responsible for their lives. Hence the praise and the understanding the Islamic extremists receive from the European left. They fight for the same cause and against the same enemy.''

http://www.freedominst.org/2005/07/true-culprit-of-terrorism.html

author by Peter Nolan - Freedom Institute & Central Intelligence Agencypublication date Mon Jul 11, 2005 00:12author email peter.nolan at freedominst dot orgauthor address author phone Report this post to the editors

Thanks , Redjade, we all appeciate your efforts to increase our blog traffic.

Who knows, we might make a few converts!

author by Sherlock Holmespublication date Mon Jul 11, 2005 11:00author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Keep dreaming Peter. Your thoughts are about as intelligent as a McDonalds advertisement. Your website is an amusement to us.

author by redjadepublication date Mon Jul 11, 2005 18:53author address author phone Report this post to the editors

There's been a viscious rumour lately that Henry Rollins had gone to the Dark Side of the Force and joined the Bushies...

Apparently not true, he just went to Iraq to 'Support the Troops' which is a bit diffent from saying he drinks the 'Purple KoolAid™'

Henry Rollins defends himself and makes his feelings about W Bush clear...

'THAT BUSH IS A COWARD AND A LIAR AND THOSE WHO VOTED FOR HIM
ARE PART OF A VERY BAD PROBLEM. THAT THE FOX NEWS CHANNEL IS A
BUNCH OF SISSIES WHO CAN'T TAKE A PUNCH....'

more at...
http://firedoglake.blogspot.com/2005_07_10_firedoglake_archive.html#112106077561710164

author by Ali H.publication date Tue Jul 12, 2005 15:25author address author phone Report this post to the editors

This statement is of course complete rubbish unless you occupy the information vacuum that is the domain of the Freedom "from Information" Institute.

The country leading the suicide bombing league table is Sri Lanka which is far from being a rich country. Second is Palestine which according to the UN has 25% of its population living in poverty.

Incidentally the high incidence of suicide bombing in both instances comes in the context of national freedom struggles by peoples in the face of institutional persecution rather than being based on abstract religious/political notions.

So much for the credibility of the Freedom Institute.

author by redjadepublication date Tue Jul 12, 2005 15:42author address author phone Report this post to the editors

yeah, its what you would expect - but amusingly so.

More recently at the Freedom Fries Institute:

Standard Left-wing talking point: "Poverty is the real root of terrorism"
http://www.freedominst.org/2005/07/standard-left-wing-talking-point.html

author by ###publication date Tue Jul 12, 2005 16:11author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Nobody would ever have heard of this "freedom institute" if indymedia did not link to them so often. I think indymedia are just taking the piss out of a very sad bunch of deluded PD rejects.

author by Honchopublication date Tue Jul 12, 2005 16:39author address author phone Report this post to the editors

.

freedom4web.jpg

author by redjadepublication date Wed Jul 13, 2005 19:39author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The War's Realists
- By E. J. Dionne Jr.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/11/AR2005071101414.html

Appearing on "Fox News Sunday," Fran Townsend, the president's homeland security adviser, said that the war in Iraq attracts terrorists

"where we have a fighting military and a coalition that can take them on and not have the sort of civilian casualties that you saw in London."

Huh? If British troops fighting in Iraq did not stop the terrorists from striking London, then what is the logic for believing that American troops fighting in Iraq will stop terrorists from striking our country again? Intelligence reports -- and Townsend's own words -- suggest that Iraq has become a terrorist breeding ground since the American invasion. How, exactly, has that made us safer?

author by redjadepublication date Fri Jul 15, 2005 16:43author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Anti-American Danger
Tuesday, July 12, 2005
http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,162242,00.html
By Bill O'Reilly

[....]

That's because media like the BBC won't stop at spin. While in Ireland, I watched in amazement as a BBC interviewer named Gavin Essler baited an incredibly dim Jane Fonda into putting the worst possible face on her country.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GAVIN ESSLER, BBC: But is it like the Vietnam days in the sense that — is it even worse than the Vietnam days in some ways— because people around the world don't think that the Bush administration is telling the truth about why they went to war and what the consequences of war in Iraq might be?

JANE FONDA, ACTRESS: I don't know about better or worse than Vietnam. Externally, I'm not sure it's worse than Vietnam. We were being so severely criticized around the world because of the war in Vietnam, which is one of the reasons that it ended, because of world opinion.

But I think that the situation inside the United States right now is worse than then. It's really scary.

---- ----- -----

BBC Responds: ( Tuesday, 12 July, 2005 ):
http://news.bbc.co.uk/newswatch/ukfs/low/newsid_4670000/newsid_4675900/4675953.stm

[....] A contributor to Fox said after the London bombings that "the BBC almost operates as a foreign registered agent of Hezbollah and some of the other jihadist groups".

On the Fox website, there was an opinion piece "How Jane Fonda and the BBC put you in danger".

I am writing this in a building which was bombed by Irish terrorists. My colleagues and I are living in a city recovering from the wounds inflicted last week.

If I may leave our customary impartiality aside for a moment, the comments made on Fox News are beneath contempt.

FOX News: Bill O'Reilly
FOX News: Bill O'Reilly

author by redjadepublication date Fri Jul 15, 2005 17:02author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Weak Brits, Tough French
by Daniel Pipes
New York Sun
July 12, 2005
http://www.danielpipes.org/article/2764

The British have seemingly lost interest in their heritage while the French hold on to theirs: As the British ban fox hunting, the French ban hijabs.

The former embrace multiculturalism, the latter retain a pride in their historic culture. This contrast in matters of identity makes Britain the Western country most vulnerable to the ravages of radical Islam whereas France, for all its political failings, has held onto a sense of self that may yet see it through.

author by Discoursepublication date Fri Jul 15, 2005 20:36author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Here are the rules kiddies

When Islamic fanatics strike and murder innocent people:

1) Blame the Jews
2) Blame Bush
3) Blame the local government at the site of the murders
4) And most importantly, NEVER EVER BLAME THE MOSLEM PERPETRATORS for their heinous acts.
(If it should come up, that the perps get blamed, revert to number "1"
and claim that the moslem murderers must be forgiven because of the palestinians)

author by redjadepublication date Tue Jul 19, 2005 18:45author address author phone Report this post to the editors

[talk show host Pat Campbell on WFLA in Orlando, Fla.] Campbell asked [U.S. Rep. Tom] Tancredo how the country should respond if terrorists were to strike several U.S. cities with nuclear weapons.

"Well, what if you said something like - if this happens in the United States, and we determine that it is the result of extremist, fundamentalist Muslims, you know, you could take out their holy sites," Tancredo answered.

"You're talking about bombing Mecca," Campbell said.

"Yeah," Tancredo responded.

The congressman went on to say that he was "just throwing out some ideas" but that an "ultimate threat" might have to be met with an "ultimate response."

http://rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_3934448,00.html

the idiot's website:
http://tancredo.house.gov

Tom Tancredo poses on the USS Ronald Reagan
Tom Tancredo poses on the USS Ronald Reagan

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