New Events

International

no events posted in last week

Blog Feeds

Anti-Empire

Anti-Empire

offsite link PODCAST: Trump and Biden’s Weaknesses ... Wed Sep 30, 2020 22:39 | Kyle Anzalone

offsite link COVID-19 Vaccine Protocols Reveal That T... Wed Sep 30, 2020 17:46 | William A. Haseltine

offsite link US “Arms Control Envoy” Pressures So... Wed Sep 30, 2020 17:09 | Park Chan-Kyong

offsite link Azerbaijan Celebrated 1988 Earthquake Th... Wed Sep 30, 2020 15:46 | Aleksandr Lebed

offsite link US Military Patch Depicts Drone and Skul... Wed Sep 30, 2020 14:44 | Kristin Huang

Anti-Empire >>

The Saker
A bird's eye view of the vineyard

offsite link If the Burevestnik Cruise Missile Is a Joke, Then Why Are Anglo-Saxons Worrying? (Ruslan Ostashko) Thu Oct 01, 2020 00:13 | Leo V.
Translated by Sasha and subtitled by Leo. The phrase ?filmed at Mosfilm? has become a meme after the Euro-Ukies and the Russian ‘creatives’ squealed for a long time in unison

offsite link Russian options in the Karabakh conflict Wed Sep 30, 2020 23:41 | The Saker
With the eyes of most people locked on the debate between Trump and Biden, the conflict between Azerbaijan and Armenia over Nagorno-Karabakh (NK) has received relatively little attention in the

offsite link Azerbaijan Claims Destruction Of Armenian S-300 System. Number Of Reported War Casualties Reaches Th... Wed Sep 30, 2020 22:54 | amarynth
South Front On September 30, the Azerbaijani-Armenian war entered its third day with another increase in casualties and victorious communiques from both sides. In the morning, the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry

offsite link The Insanity of Sustainability Wed Sep 30, 2020 22:44 | amarynth
by Peter Koenig for the Saker Blog and first published by the New Eastern Outlook ? NEO ?The Saker? ?Only the Dead Have Seen the End of War? ? Plato.

offsite link Mission Impossible? Wed Sep 30, 2020 18:48 | amarynth
By Francis Lee for the Saker Blog The present economic/political crises is not amenable to solutions which might have been effective in the past. We seem to be fighting today?s

The Saker >>

Human Rights in Ireland
A Blog About Human Rights

offsite link Right to Water Mon Aug 03, 2020 19:13 | Human Rights

offsite link Human Rights Fri Mar 20, 2020 16:33 | Human Rights

offsite link Turkish President Calls On Greece To Comply With Human Rights on Syrian Refugee Issues Wed Mar 04, 2020 17:58 | Human Rights

offsite link US Holds China To Account For Human Rights Violations Sun Oct 13, 2019 19:12 | Human Rights

offsite link UN Human Rights Council Should Address Human Rights Crisis in Cambodia Sat Aug 31, 2019 13:41 | Human Rights

Human Rights in Ireland >>

Spirit of Contradiction

offsite link The Party and the Ballot Box Sun Jul 14, 2019 22:24 | Gavin Mendel-Gleason

offsite link On The Decline and Fall of The American Empire and Socialism Sat Jan 26, 2019 01:52 | S. Duncan

offsite link What is Dogmatism and Why Does It Matter? Wed Mar 21, 2018 08:10 | Sylvia Smith

offsite link The Case of Comrade Dallas Mon Mar 19, 2018 19:44 | Sylvia Smith

offsite link Review: Do Religions Evolve? Mon Aug 14, 2017 19:54 | Dara McHugh

Spirit of Contradiction >>

G8 - Geldof announces Live 8

category international | summit mobilisations | news report author Wednesday June 01, 2005 00:24author by Anthony O'Halloran Report this post to the editors

Concerts to make povery history coinciding with G8.

Bob Geldof announced plans today for five 'Live 8' concerts in London, Paris, Berlin, Rome and Philadelphia to take place on Saturday July 2nd 2005.

Purposely planned to coincide with the G8 Summit in Scotland, Geldof is appealing to G8 leaders to get serious about Making Poverty History or not to come at all.

He is encouraging people post-gig to start travelling to Scotland to make their voices heard.

Will Bob's imprimatur 'legitimise' dissent?
Will media and the mainstream jump on the bandwagon now?
Will it make travelling and protesting easier for activists already planning to go?
Will the police help us put up our tents and chop firewood?

Powerful goodwill was generated at Live Aid on July 13th 1985, and if something of the same is generated again this time, you never know.

author by ribbid ribbidpublication date Wed Jun 01, 2005 14:09author address author phone Report this post to the editors

have asked that every church, chapel, synangogue and mosque open their doors to house people during their G8 gig.
Meanwhile, Edinburgh council have started their campaign to stop the gig, arguing that there isn't enough space, its not well organised, the polissss haven't given their permission, Elton John attracts the wrong crowd and there aren't enough flowers for him.

Oh Yes this will change things.
If only people would listen to Geldof and Bono.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/4598661.stm

Meanwhile, in the real world, we are doing the g8.
And as part of that we bother to look at access, accomodation & all of it. There is only one synagogue in Edinburgh. on Salisbury road.

author by seanpublication date Wed Jun 01, 2005 15:50author address author phone Report this post to the editors

MAKE CAPITALISM HISTORY!

For many of us, the recent ‘click’ advert of the ‘make poverty history campaign’ was a beyond a joke and ridiculous, more so with the recent reports that the white wrist bands who being made by cheap labour in China! How ironic? While Bon still continues to praise the ‘goodwill’ of our western leaders, wealthy multi-national companies still continue to take Africa to the cleaners as reported in the Guardian today!
As if basing your campaign around the support of celebrities and appealing to parasitic politicians is going to change anything. These are the same wealthy people such as Bono who live a life of luxurious wealth, living in mansions, guarded to the brim with high walls and security guards. They can afford to jump on the band wagon for their own selfish ends! If he is that ‘guilty’, why doesn’t he give even half of his wealth away? Writing to Tony Blair and signing your name on a petition may seem ‘fashionable’ or ‘trendy’ for some, but what real good did it do to the hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, or the countless wave of cut-backs in public services and criminalisation against our class in the form of ASBOS and racist immigration policies.
Yes, we want to see the poverty eradicated, but this will not be done by lobbying to the same fat cats and unequal system which causes the problem in the first place. The whole basis of the campaign is to make ‘capitalism nicer’ which is ok for those like Bono who have ‘moralistic’ guilt written all his face but for most of us dealing with depth, homelessness, police brutality, racism, low paid shitty jobs, bending over backwards for the boss, poor housing etc the reality is that the real root cause of the problem is the small minority of parasitic bosses and politicians who live off our labour. The road of grovelling, wearing a white rist band gets us sweet fuck all, direct action in our communities and workplaces through wildcat strikes, occupations and civil-disobediance and ultimately building working class self-management in our workplaces and communities, for our benefit is the only solution. So Mr Bono, Bush, Blair and the rest of your lackeys! We don’t want your ‘charity’, we just want to inherit the earth!

SOLDARITY-DIRECT ACTION-DIRECT DEMOCRACY!

author by It's me againpublication date Wed Jun 01, 2005 16:35author address author phone Report this post to the editors

1 million to hit Scotland

Sean

Two choices, get into the heart of it, and use it as a platform to thousands of people who are active and against poverty but need not even have heard of our alternative ideas of a fundamental change to the existing system.

This fundamental change is needed if poverty is to be eradicated in real terms, rather than just tinkering with or pleading to the leaders of the present system.

As the great man once done and said – ‘ sometimes one may indeed need to stand on that dung -heap.

Or alternatively you can stand at the sides shouting and ranting ‘liberals’ and up the 'Proletarian Revolution' while trying to convince those that do not need convinced. I though suppose each will choose their own tactics as how to deal with hundreds of thousands of people who are prepared, at least, to get on the street and March and rally against poverty.

While it may be easier standing at the sides convincing those who are already convinced I believe it is also important to march in solidarity with those who at least got of their arses - while at the same time engaging and discussing how we can really change the world. As stated this is made easier if one is at the forefront of the relevant campaign.

And I would not get to tied up with the celebrities thing {we all know the crack}– it is the people on the street and the activists at the backbone where the real engagement should lay while in the course of a specific act of solidarity or within the course of a campaign. In doing so I have found you will be listened to with a more sympathetic ear

author by pop star.publication date Wed Jun 01, 2005 17:02author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Rock star Rod Stewart is to become a father again at the age of 60 - and will marry fiancee Penny Lancaster after the baby is born.
The baby is due in early December and the wedding is set for spring 2006.
News of the pregnancy had leaked out, but the couple waited to confirm until Lancaster,33, had passed her 12th week.
Stewart said: "I count myself blessed to have bestowed upon me the honour of fatherhood again with Penny, whom I love and cherish so much."
The couple, who have been together almost six years, announced in March this year that they were to marry after Stewart's divorce from ex-wife Rachel Hunter was finalised.
This will be Stewart's seventh child.
The star describes himself as a father of five children - Kimberley, 25, and Sean, 24, by first wife Alana Stewart; Ruby, 17, by former girlfriend Kelly Emberg; and Renee, 13, and Liam, 10, by second wife Rachel Hunter.
He also has a sixth child, Sarah Thubron, 41, born before he was famous following a teenage romance with art student Susannah Boffey.
He married Hunter in 1990 but they split after nine years.
After a 40-year career, Stewart has enjoyed one of his most successful periods to date, topping the US album chart for the first time and winning his first Grammy Award.

the Prince of Wales trust will get the cash raised by Live 8. "just so you know tis going to a good cause"
the Prince of Wales trust will get the cash raised by Live 8. "just so you know tis going to a good cause"

author by infuriatedpublication date Wed Jun 01, 2005 17:47author address author phone Report this post to the editors

its appalling that these blacks are being given the right to live

author by seanpublication date Wed Jun 01, 2005 20:03author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Firstly, no one is sitting from the sidelines chanting riducuous slogans, while doing nothing. I myself with others are involved in constructive working class struggles against fascism and and water tax.
Secondly, of course everyone wants abolish poverty (unless of course your one of those wealthy sponsers of MPH like the churches etc who thrive on poverty), so there is no need to convince anyone.
Why the need to get on board celebrities and the support of the labour government?
How the fuck is gettin on board rich wankers like Bono and our world leaders publising
the important class issue of poverty.
At the heart of the MPH although you may have good intentions lays pure opportunism, contridiction, patronising, and middle class guilt ridden faces at its worst!
Ive heard many people have gained themselves a full-time bureocratic salary from the MPH?
How low can the leninist left get? first RESPECT and now MPH!

Whats the best way to figh poverty?
ANSWER- to side and plead with those bstards and entire system who are reponsible for it!

Anyone, good luck to the MPH!

author by seanpublication date Wed Jun 01, 2005 20:32author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The usual 'populist' argument seems to be made about the MPH serving as 'platform' to inspire people.
Firstly far from MPH raising the issue of poverty is the mainstream media as a fashionable thing, it only serves to give cridance to Blair and others to jump on the bandwagon where there fuckin wristband and give empty promises about fighting poverty.
Secondly, poverty is a class issue and we don't need some condecending middle class twat preaching the wrongs of poverty.
Thirdly, the whole idea i get from the MPH campign from reading reports and website is that somehow where all greedy in the western world and that we need to deep far into our pockets.
No wonder MPH are on the same wavelink as missionaries with the shear amount of chuches and religious organisations attaching themselves to the campaign.

ps theres an old saying it it goes along the lines of those who dig a hole usually remain in the hole and do whatever they can to get out of the hole!

author by seanpublication date Wed Jun 01, 2005 20:44author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Poverty wristbands manufactured 'unethically'

Hugh Muir
Monday May 30, 2005
The Guardian

Wristbands purchased by British charities as part of the Make Poverty History campaign have been manufactured in conditions that breach international ethical standards, it emerged yesterday.
Chinese companies responsible for wristbands worn by thousand of charity supporters, celebrities and politicians, including Tony Blair, have been accused of indulging in forced labour and of paying less than the official minimum wage. An audit also discovered breaches of health and safety regulations.


Article continues

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Officials from three major charities, Cafod, Oxfam and Christian Aid, say they have been negotiating with suppliers in an attempt to improve working conditions.
A Cafod spokesman said: "We are disappointed this situation has arisen. However, we are now engaging with the supplier to improve conditions within the factory. Under the Ethical Trading Initiative standards, when we find out a supplier isn't in line with those standards we don't just pull away. We attempt to engage with the supplier and work with that supplier to improve conditions so they are in line with the Ethical Trading Initiative standards."

The audit reports focus on two factories heavily involved in manufacturing white wristbands, which sell in Britain for Ł1 each, 70p of which goes to the charities concerned.

Tat Shing Rubber Manufacturing Company, in Shenzhen, near Hong Kong, was accused of "forced labour" because employees were obliged to provide a deposit against future possible breakages of machinery. It was also accused of poor health and safety provision. Tat Shing supplied 120,000 wristbands to Cafod.

An audit report on Fuzhou Xing Chun Trade Company, in Fujian province, said workers were paid below the local minimum hourly wage of 2.39 yuan (16p), to as low as 1.39 yuan (9p). They were insufficiently rewarded for overtime work, had no paid annual leave and suffered pay deductions for disciplinary reasons.

Oxfam bought 10,000 silicon wristbands from Tat Shing in November last year, none of which have been sold. The charity then ordered 1.5m wristbands from Fuzhou Xing Chun on the basis that the failings highlighted in its audit had been addressed. An Oxfam spokesman said: "We can reassure people wanting to support the campaign that all white bands sold in Oxfam shops meet the standards of our ethical purchasing practices."

author by Gpublication date Thu Jun 02, 2005 00:39author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"we don't need some condecending middle class twat preaching the wrongs of poverty."

A lot of the most famous and revolutionary figures of the left infact came from middle class backgrounds. Eg. Ché Guevara and even Marx.

author by dunkpublication date Thu Jun 02, 2005 13:22author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"ordinary" people are now asking about g8, trade issues- the more that go to these gigs the better, free gigs, people on streets, get them to gleneagles............

outreach is the key and turning the apathetic or too busy masses to these critical issues and getting them to become part of the growing body demanding global justice is super

front page headlines- G8 is unfair
front page headlines- G8 is unfair

stars dragging people to the parks, from there to scotland?
stars dragging people to the parks, from there to scotland?

millions worldwide can take action
millions worldwide can take action

author by publication date Thu Jun 02, 2005 13:27author address author phone Report this post to the editors

http://libcom.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5412

So, Sir Bob Geldof has organised simultaneous world wide concerts, show casing some of the worlds richest, trite and uninspiring bands, in an attempt to send a message to the political elite that will be assembled at Gleneagles. The concert will be a “unique opportunity for Britain to do something unparalleled in the world-to tilt the world a little bit on its axis in favour of the poor”-Geldof. Presumably, following the concert we can expect a monumental rise in the minimum wage, an abolition of sweat-shop labour and a lowering of the retirement age to 50, and that’s just for starters.

Sir Bob is clearly a big fan of the Christian notion that through self sacrifice we can help others, if we sit through 12 hours of the pretentious bullshit that Chris Martin, Bono et al have to offer then our suffering will be rewarded by a higher body (the G8 leaders) and they’ll drop the debt and flood markets with “fair trade” products.

The concert, to be held on the same day as a protest march against the G8 in Edinburgh, will apparently not be about charity but ‘for political justice’. Yet Geldof’s pious pleadings are all about charity, it’s about us rich westerners helping our poor brother in Africa.

The call is for a promotion of ‘fair trade’ (note a product is fair trade if it contains upwards of 6% of produce from farmers who have been given a ‘decent wage’ for the produce their workers produce) and an increase in aid to the world’s poorest countries. It’s ostensibly about damming rivers with cotton wool and dressing stab wounds with elasto-plasts. Of course “fair trade” is no bad thing when compared to competing coffee and banana companies such as Chiquita, after all they do provide some basic amenities for workers and purportedly allow union association, although it remains to be seen what kind of reaction would be meted out to the workers were they to ditch their bosses and organise production democratically and for their communities as opposed to export. However those who propagate “fair trade” as a solution to poverty and exploitation are seriously deluded. “Fair trade” is little more than the modernisation of the global market of the commodity in the same way that Punk was a profitable modernisation of the music industry in that it opened up new markets. The sanitised exploitation of “fair trade” can happily subsist next to the most brutal and bloody forms of exploitation.

The reality is that the overblown ego’s of the music establishment are in no position to alleviate world poverty, they may pontificate to others what they see as solutions to the poverty of global capital but in truth if they really thought that charity could change anything they’d immediately transfer their inflated bank balances to the leaders of anyone of the poor African nations. Geldof preaches to the world from his ivory tower, he is so detached from the reality of the situation that the best solution he can offer is to attend 12 hours of neutralisation and to wash it down with enough fair trade coffee to induce the kind of diahorrea that daily spills forth from his flatulent gob.

The tangible hypocrisy of the whole spectacle has been highlighted by the news that the ‘make poverty history’ wristbands that have been marketed to all those discerning consumers are actually manufactured in Chinese sweatshops. But the contradictions run much deeper, Geldof et al may only see rich nations and poor nation. The reality is that nations get rich off their people, Britain is a rich nation yet has one of the highest child poverty rates, lowest working weeks and lowest pay in Europe. Most people can’t afford to go down to London then travel up to Edinburgh in a day. The fair trade lobby perpetuate and spread the myth that we can only change the world as consumers, if this myth we’re not so prevalent it would be easy to laugh off. Consumerism is merely a by-product of capitalism. For a product to be marketable it must be sold at a higher price than the costs of production, those who make the good must be paid less than the worth of the product they make, this is the essence of capitalism and exploitation. Hence increasing the price paid to small producers for their coffee, wool, tea doesn’t change the social relationship between the exploiter and the exploited but merely raises the bar a little bit, it means that the standards of exploitation are developed to somewhere near those in the developed world. All the big name companies now advocate some form of ‘fair trade’ Tescos sells ‘fair trade’ products while simultaneously waging a war against sick pay for their own workers. The exploited in the first world cannot abolish global poverty through expressing their own poverty in consumer “choices”, the global consumer market is built from the blood, sweat and toil of workers the world over and it is only these workers who can fundamentally change the world for the better.

The only way to abolish world poverty is to bring down the hierarchical system that feeds off and breeds poverty, without material and qualitative poverty capitalism could not function since it is based upon the imposition of work and exploitation and no one in their right mind subordinates themselves to a boss and employment if they can live freely without such a burden. The poverty of those in Africa, Asia and South America is interlinked with the poverty of those in North America and Europe, they are not two distinct worlds. The action of the working class in Europe (in fighting against their exploitation and the imposition of the profit motive) has forced capital to seek cheaper and more exploitable labour in the third world, in turn this cheaper labour facilitates greater profits for company executives based in the first world and opens up new avenues for exploitation in the service and leisure sector. It is the working classes of the world alone that have the power to truly make poverty, and those who prosper from it, history. Only with the fall of capitalism will we have a chance to alleviate world poverty.

The leaders of the G8 will welcome their friends flagellating themselves ‘for Africa’ in Hyde Park, Philadelphia, Paris and Rome, since they understand the impotence of the musicians better than the musicians themselves. And hopefully the concert will augment a larger ‘fair trade’ market from which the discerning consumer can declare their utter impotence and assuage their consciences. But at the end of the day all will be the same.

Bob Geldof cannot be reformed, just kick him till he breaks!

Related Link: http://libcom.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4662
author by toneorepublication date Thu Jun 02, 2005 17:27author email toneore at eircom dot netauthor address author phone Report this post to the editors

"The reality is that the overblown ego’s of the music establishment are in no position to alleviate world poverty, they may pontificate to others what they see as solutions to the poverty of global capital..."

Doesn't this remind you of Indymedia? Fair dues to Bob et al for getting this together.

author by o n e t o r epublication date Thu Jun 02, 2005 17:33author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Good to see him admit that his last twenty plus years have been a waste and he's no further down the road than when he was squaring up to Thatcher. Only difference being they've let him in the tent to piss outwards.

author by Gpublication date Thu Jun 02, 2005 23:01author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"The call is for a promotion of ‘fair trade’ (note a product is fair trade if it contains upwards of 6% of produce from farmers who have been given a ‘decent wage’ for the produce their workers produce)"

Actually the call is to change trade rules.
From the Make Poverty History manifesto:

Fight for rules that ensure governments, particularly in poor countries, can choose the best
solutions to end poverty and protect the environment. These will not always be free trade
policies.
〈 End export subsidies that damage the livelihoods of poor rural communities around the
world.
〈 Make laws that stop big business profiting at the expense of people and the environment.

Try and get your facts straight.

author by talent and trainingpublication date Thu Jun 02, 2005 23:06author address author phone Report this post to the editors

perhaps thats a reflexion of you talent and lack of training etc.

perhaps your shitty job says more about you than it does about the system

educate yourself

thats what fas and the public library are there for. Turn off the tv and a get up off your arse instead of complaining!

author by global commonspublication date Thu Jun 02, 2005 23:13author address author phone Report this post to the editors

but the problem is that there are armies and banks standing in the way who say they own it all

it does make you wonder about the "right to private property" as a human right in the Declaration Of Human Rights.

In 2005 this right is used to accumulate and bash others over the head till they sign up to slavery when they take out a mortgage and pledge their future to a bank.

The army/police/Bush is omnipresent to make sure no sheep stray from the path.

author by migle clazpublication date Thu Jun 02, 2005 23:25author address author phone Report this post to the editors

and for not working in a shitty job, and for not helping a shitty boss get rich

sorry for thinking

sorry for being white

I know Im not qualified to talk about ending poverty since Im not poor

sorry

I will go away now

bohoo! snif snif!

i will sell everything to join your poor working class authentic club? please let me in, I feel so guilty to have parents who had a ok income

author by a black monpublication date Thu Jun 02, 2005 23:35author address author phone Report this post to the editors

seeing as Im middle class and not black and therefore doomed to appologise for that for the rest of my life I though I would listen to some African opinions instead

and if you are working class and cant afford broadband there is a transcript too. And if you are so poor that you cant read the transcript then you are a lier cus you have just read this!

I thought the internet was a middle class thing?
How can there be any real tortured working class on here?
Its a disgrace and so uncool that Im going to stop using the web!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/news/anyquestions_transcripts_20050525.shtml

the african special

author by mc cavitypublication date Thu Jun 02, 2005 23:44author address author phone Report this post to the editors

the FBI have assured efforts will be made to infiltrate an alledged white power gathering organised by known celtic cross bands in northern britian in the following weeks.
"there's only one sort of black woman going, her name is Connie, seems good enough for deep throat" one official close to the NESSIE confirmed to a passionate independent news source who would prefer not to be named.

(previous information had indicated a sure al qaeda nuclear strike, this is now thought to have just been black propaganda).

scotland yard is still baffled.

author by Seanpublication date Fri Jun 03, 2005 13:34author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Firstly , you failed to respond to any of my criticisms of MPH.
Secondly, for the vast majority of us we are forced to work for a boss and therefore the necessity for fighting back.
Thirdly, if you want to unite with biilionaires to fight poverty (who could buy all of Africa) thats up to YOUS.
Lastly, i hop Bob Geldof and Bono throw a rope up, sell their mansions and fuck off to some desert ireland because they have nothing to offer 'our' class.

author by Just passing - Nonepublication date Sat Jun 04, 2005 00:26author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I didnt realise Ireland was a desert, should i pack a few water bottles next time i go visit?

author by green treepublication date Sat Jun 04, 2005 21:55author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I think that we can all agree that the whole MPH 'movement' and live 8 are never going to solve any root problems, much less address them... why else would they be granted such support by the institutions that are largely to blame for the current situation (media, government, the commercial sector)?....

However, I think we should avoid the immediate (and natural) response of rubbishing the whole thing and instead see it for what it has exposed. Literally millions of people are supporting this, some for purely 'trendy/fashionable/lifestyle' reasons of course, but there is a definite element of people who know something is wrong with our civilisation and that something must be done.. many of whom will have never had the opportunity within their media driven lives to have been allowed to have engaged in criticism without the risk of being ostracised or ridiculed.

We must use this opportunity to engage with these people, sure; show them where MPH and Live8 get it wrong, but more importantly, show them some of the more lasting and fundamental ways that we can change the world... things that we can do ourselves (rather than reinforcing the power of governments by saying that they are the only force for change in the world)... The best way we can 'save' 'africa' is to first liberate ourselves and provide examples of practical ways of arranging our societies that are to the satisfaction of all involved... start an open center, learn crafts and how to grow vegatables, build community in your area, consume as ethicaly as possible (if you must consume at all that is!) and just generally take responsibility for the canges you want to see in the world yourself.

I for one will be standing outside the concert in london with some propaganda, making new friends, formulating new plans... hope to see you there.x

---------------------------------------------------------------

As for Sean... please think about what you are saying. We all have a stake in changing the world. The 'bosses' are human too, blaming our problems on the people our system happens to put in positions of organisation rather than direct production achieves nothing at all. George Bush, Blair and their like (your boss) only behave in the ways they do because they genuinely believe in all the threats society uses against us (image of failure, financial ruin, social banishment, 'place in history', 'gods judgement'). I find it an uncomfortable notion that the world is somehow divided into two type of human, the 'workers' and the 'bosses', the implication being the two groups are inherently different.. it smacks, to me, of the logic of facisim.

and as for 'working class pride'...
I'm scum when I work, I'm selling my life away to buy shit that is only kept from me by force that I should directly confront anyway (by squatting, shoplifting etc), meanwhile, i'm manufacturing or organising the manufacture of goods that are just choking the planet or helping build roads to aid the infrastructure and advancement of a society i hate.
Screw 'working class' pride..

If you want to do away with capitalist society, then 'getting rid of the bosses' is a pretty dumb way of going about it... a workers run factory is still a factory. If you want to do away with capitalism, stop participating in it...our participation is what perpeptuates it! Un-job if that is what you want..

I think we need more than the downfall of capitalism though, we are all scarred from its affects and i think we need to re-learn how to live in harmony with ourselves and the world as well.. My friends and I work, but do it tacticly.. those who have high paid jobs stick with them, that money can go into our collectives housing, land and food, some work at tescos so that we can get heavy, heavy discounts on the food (hehe ; D ), others train in crafts (thatching, blacksmithing etc) and permaculture.. you get the picture.. as we all work together we can work less and should have a fully self sufficient set-up within a few years, then we can ditch the jobs and get on with building a new civilisation. .

anyway, back to the bosses...

"and let no-one say that these individuals are benefiting at the expense of the rest of us. If gaining material wealth and status in a murderous society really is benefiting, then we should all just let things go on the way they are and put our energies into fighting each other to get to the top of the doungheap. If these peoples lives are not as impoverished as our own, our whole value system is bankrupt. It's understandable that some of us are jealous of their disproportionate control over the rescources of our society. . . but it's not having stuff or status that makes life good, is it?"
-days of war, nights of love-

anyways, i've gone on too long.
Peace- Love- Anarchy- Utopia

author by Adampublication date Mon Jun 06, 2005 03:32author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Well you're gonna find that difficult.

What is being done here and now is an excellent example of the left-wing response to being "looney idealists".
You can only do something with the people in power if you're as sophisticated as the people in power. Believe it or not, Gordon Brown was once an idealistic socialist but he also knew that it really didn't matter how much he got red in the face about capitalism, the only way to do anything was to accept how massive the injustices of the world are and navigate the compromised route up to power.

He may have his faults and he may have realised that capitalism is here to stay but don't you dare compare him to that tory, Tony.
We should be damn proud that out of many more left wing countries in Europe, it's Britain that's trying to push this!

Capitalism uses the most basic human drives for recognition and respect(/status)to form a structure which can stimulate incredible things.
You wouldn't tell a someone struggling to run a small fairtrade company who only managed to make 12k a year for their family an evil profiteering bastard. You'd save it for the lazy billionaire shareholder.
It's the capital system's natural tendency toward grotesque distortions of scale that make it ugly.
I believe you can create a humane, if not fair capitalist system by doing precisely the sorts of things Make Poverty History are pushing for.
You don't have to be rich or powerful to be happy. You just have to have enough and to feel that you're worth something.

There will ALWAYS be those who rule and those who do not. There will always be a the super-rich and/or the superpowers but with such expanding wealth in the world we do have more chance than ever before to eradicate the majority's current category: The super-poor.

In your ideal it's the workers who rule and the parasites who finally get trodden on. How very egalitarian.

Back on the subject - When it comes to crunch time, sadly all that's likely to happen is some feeble excuses calmly spouted by G8 leaders and little will change over those days.
But under the sustained pressure of untiringly repeated calls for decency from a swelling bandwagon of people, the richman's most unfair advantages will not be sustained.
And it will be the worst of them that are first to go!

Do your part to shift the elephant.
It's moving now and sliding faster.

author by Adampublication date Mon Jun 06, 2005 03:54author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Sorry. Thought I was directly replying on a sub-thread to Sean's "make the rich history" post.

I totally go for what you're saying anarchist lady (I assume you're a lady from the excellent and unfettered style of writing. Sorry)
If only I had the balls to go for what you guys are doing. I spose I just love studios and putting together records too much to give up on being a record producer right now.

I'll bet you've all read The Dispossesed by Ursula le Guin by now. What a cast iron classic! I never knew a book could be quite that powerful.

All those that breath: Read it!

author by dunkpublication date Mon Jun 06, 2005 17:27author address author phone Report this post to the editors

bbc site has a lot of audio and film backing up whats going on
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/4597363.stm

author by dunkpublication date Mon Jun 06, 2005 17:43author address author phone Report this post to the editors

and heres my own little film from 2 years ago

bottom line=
auschwitz was horrible but whats happening since then with unfair trade rules resulting in @ 7,000,000 unnecessary deaths every year makes auschwitz seem tame

it is war
war of a different kind- gone are the guns, rockets, gas chambers; in are the unfair trade rules which kill and kill and kill, in a far more subtler and cost effective way

but the world is becoming aware and the world is fighting back
its early, but we are starting to win

if these gigs get a few more kids interested in trade issues, fair play

fuspey film 1
fuspey film 1

Related Link: http://www.indymedia.org.uk/media/2003/06/273076.wmv
author by dunkpublication date Wed Jun 08, 2005 13:12author address author phone Report this post to the editors

for many architects trade is an ark issue, recent attempt to further generate discussion with europes main architectural students on this front has been censored and put out of the way-
for some trade is not considered an ark issue, but surely creating what will be the worlds largest stereo music event to raise awareness about g8 is an architectural issue- the logistics of making it work, trying to ferry as many people to britain and to edinburgh from mainland europe.

anyway just letting ye know-
this is a war on 2 fronts
1- the unfair global systems
2- the apathy and ignorance of the majority of people

some groups dont want to have to face these critical issues and when they are confronted, they shun democratic systems for censorship of those seeking to engage in wider discussion

you can decide yourselves:
http://easa.antville.org/stories/1138945/#1139954

and 2 years previous
http://easa.antville.org/stories/432804/

author by soyapublication date Thu Jun 09, 2005 11:16author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The secret of the Blair regime is its wanton popularist stances which act as salves to the british conscience and bolster its global impression.

Today's Guardian asks what did Blair achieve in his visit to end global poverty?

It might have well asked what has Geldof achieved?

Riot.
Think of Bolivia.
don't think of the big breakfast.

Number of comments per page
  
 
© 2001-2020 Independent Media Centre Ireland. Unless otherwise stated by the author, all content is free for non-commercial reuse, reprint, and rebroadcast, on the net and elsewhere. Opinions are those of the contributors and are not necessarily endorsed by Independent Media Centre Ireland. Disclaimer | Privacy