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category dublin | arts and media | feature author Monday January 31, 2005 01:53author by redjade Report this post to the editors

Question: How Do You Make 'Independent Media' Sustainable?

''We certainly don't have the resources that the major networks have but they left this enormous vacuum as they act simply as a megaphone for those in power and leave out the majority of people in the United States, not to mention the world.... Just after September 11th we began broadcasting on television and the show took off.

Open Question: How do you make Independent Media sustainable?

Amy asked: 'We have something called Public Access TV in the United States - I don't know if you have it?'

The answer is, not yet - But it's coming and it needs your support. Check out Dublin Community Television: DCTV.ie

Also see NEAR FM community radio.

We went from a couple of dozen community radio stations in the United States to now broadcasting on over 300 Pacifica stations, National Public Radio stations, and we have something called Public Access TV in the United States - I don't know if you have it - .... you can make your own media.... we [the show] on television stations in communities all over the country.... and we have satellite networks - Dish Network and DirectTV and we broadcast on them to independent channels, FreeSpeechTV and also LinkTV.

And then we video and audiostream it on DemocracyNow.org where you can get any program we have ever done - you can watch it or you can listen to it and we put up complete transcripts. We are also making it available to stations all over the world and if any station in Ireland wants to broadcast it - it is available in MP3 format and you are certainly welcome to it and can have it for free.

We believe it is absolutely critical to have an Independent Media offer daily grassroots, independent, unembeded, international news hour - and everyplace we broadcast we then have people responding by saying 'cover this in our community!' and that is what a grassroots international newscast sounds like.

It's based on local voices that deal with global issues.''

Listen to Amy Goodman continue to speak on Iraq, East Timor, Aceh, Haiti, and much more....

Amy's Speech (MP3 /11.5megs / 34mins)

Q&A with Amy ( MP3 / 6.2megs / 18mins)

DIY Independent Media!

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author by pcpublication date Sun Jan 30, 2005 15:39author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I thought the talk last night was very good, even better then I expected. although short... I was most interested in her response to questions from the floor, there was about 6 or 7 questions asked to her and Vincent Browne, but she managed to answer them all in one go, on my mind was the question of whether we should reinforincg the idea of "journalist" and "then everyone else...", but she showed how important it was for independent media at every level, and that direct grassroots activism and reporting could effect mass media.. by making the truth unavoidable and enacting better ethics. why do we always laugh when we talk about the Irish Navy, Im sure not everyone finds it funny ?

author by Seanpublication date Sun Jan 30, 2005 17:54author address author phone Report this post to the editors

During the Amy Goodman talk on Saturday evening in Dublin, a person involved in Irish Indymedia raised the question of how to sustain an independent media outlet. Unfortunately, there was not enough time for Amy to answer all of the questions, and this question was one of those that went unanswered.
The person who raised the question stated that he would post up information from the talk on Indymedia today. Perhaps when he does, he can come back to the issue in a discussion here.

To start off the discussion, I'd be curious if he (or anyone else) felt a media outlet like the New Standard could be successful in Ireland:


author by pcpublication date Sun Jan 30, 2005 18:07author address author phone Report this post to the editors

how is it different to the indymedia network model?

as i said in my post earlier and conversations I had afterwards, that the case was made for not just grassroots media but for fulltime journalists... because one may need fultime paid journalists making it easier for them to spend the time it takes to do good investiagitve journalism...?

is that what tns is about?

author by Seanpublication date Sun Jan 30, 2005 18:43author address author phone Report this post to the editors

It's different in several ways, but it does have similar characteristics.

One major difference is payment for articles and other work submitted. The list of payments is described here:

Another difference is that the New Standard focuses on a smaller range of issues, even if they are broad in content. Currently, there are four or five major areas covered by journalists.

A third difference is in the style/presentation of information (i.e. referencing sources). There are stricter guidelines at the New Standard than at Indymedia.

Also, the New Standard has a specific group of journalists working for them, and it is therefore not "open publication".

There are other differences as well. It's worth checking out the different sections of their site to see how they financially sustain themselves, and how they maintain the site.

author by eeekkkkpublication date Sun Jan 30, 2005 20:03author address author phone Report this post to the editors


real news unlike the shit we get masquerading as news in this country

author by eeekkkkpublication date Sun Jan 30, 2005 20:45author address author phone Report this post to the editors

will report tomorrah begorrah
only cost me 1.75 i euros a minute of the best entertainment money could buy
if is in the uk it would have been one pound - better value
but then michael o leary is more of a threat to irish workers than the 50 al q I read about in the nonewspapers today
so it cost me say E30 to get the story
Cos it would cost him a fortune in lawyers checking it out before publishing
section 31 II
soon showing in an editors office near you
oh yeah hello mickey
a mans best friend
off to the dogs now

author by Fintan Lanepublication date Mon Jan 31, 2005 00:28author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The talk was exceptionally interesting and raised many questions about the role of media - particularly the big US networks - when reporting on war zones. She certainly made an unassailable case for independent media.

Also - and I think this shouldn't be lost sight of - Amy Goodman spoke in Dublin as a very deliberate gesture of solidarity with the Pitstop Ploughshares (Deirdre Clancy, Nuin Dunlop, Karen Fallon, Damian Moran and Ciaran O'Reilly) who are facing trial in early March for their collective decommissioning of a US warplane at Shannon two years ago. They need tangible support at this time from the wider anti-war community and Amy's presence was intended to encourage that.

author by redjadepublication date Mon Jan 31, 2005 01:24author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Thank you goes to Afri for make the public meeting with Amy Goodman possible

Afri → http://www.afri.buz.org

-- -- --

"World War Three will be a guerilla information war,
with no division between military and civilian participation."

-- Marshall McLuhan

also see:
'What is The Message?'

author by redjade - Ploughshares Media Platoonpublication date Mon Jan 31, 2005 01:36author address author phone Report this post to the editors

→ Democracy Now

→ Pacifica Radio Network

→ The Indymedia War and Peace Trilogy DVD includes:
Independent Media in a Time of War
Voices Against War: F15 NYC
Women's Fast for Peace
-Bonus shorts with Amy Goodman, Jeremy Scahill, and the "Peace Train"
-Study Guides
-HM-IMC audio commentaries


Amy Goodman's new book
→ 'The Exception to the Rulers'

→ Read book excerpt on 'Blowback'

author by Cathalpublication date Mon Jan 31, 2005 12:25author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Thoroughly enjoyable & enlightening stuff the other night..

Does anyone agree that there was a sence of inadequacy or something uncomfortable off Vincent Brown? . He had'nt an intelligent word to say and seemed nerved.

Oh yeah, Amy said someyhing about a DVD with her book, anyone know the story with that??

author by Attendee - nonepublication date Mon Jan 31, 2005 13:29author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Great meeting, but Clonakilty man and his fellow SWP-ers weren't that subtle about their "interventions". He went off to the jacks as soon as he had finished asking his "question" (which wasn't really a question), showing that the answer didn't really interest him. He would have dominated the rest of the meeting had he not been interrupted by Ciaron O'Reilly (Vincent Browne showed no interest really in doing any actual chairing).

In their iawm guise they have shown no interest in supporting the pit stop ploughshares, and at times have shown contempt from what I have seen. Yet they suddenly come out in force when the pit stops have a really high-profile meeting. Funny, that. They'll have to watch out that the trial isn't co-opted as well.

author by Elaine O'Sullivanpublication date Mon Jan 31, 2005 16:01author address author phone Report this post to the editors

and an inspirational talk all in one evening - you're spoiling us. We will expect this every week. Seriously though, well done The Ploughshares! If you missed it kick yourself now. The Benefit gig is on Thursday 3rd Feb in Mother Redcaps (see events section)

Re Cathal's question, the free DVD came with the book. At 12 lids it was not a bad investment. It was (and is) a "Hudson Mohawk Independent Media Centre and Democracy Now! present ... Indymedia War and Peace Trilogy". Consisting of three little filums to tempt you
1) Independent Media In A Time Of War
2) Voices Against War : F15 NYC
3) Women's Fast For Peace

A quick review of the DVD: The most fun you can have without boys!

author by Media veteranpublication date Mon Jan 31, 2005 19:22author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The problem with New Standard News, other than the really bad name, is that they have adopted an old-fashioned, elitist media model which just won't work in today's world. Instead of working with participatory media, they've opted for an exclusive stable of paid journalists who turn out serious, if boring, journalism. The new journalism is more DIY like Indymedia and blogs, not some isolated snooty independent journalism project. NSN also works its connection to ZNet, which has given them a rush of visitors, but has blinded them to how the new journalism really works these days.

author by redjadepublication date Mon Jan 31, 2005 20:03author address author phone Report this post to the editors

One in three U.S. high school students say the press ought to be more restricted, and even more say the government should approve newspaper stories before readers see them, according to a survey being released today.

The survey of 112,003 students finds that 36% believe newspapers should get "government approval" of stories before publishing; 51% say they should be able to publish freely; 13% have no opinion.

Asked whether the press enjoys "too much freedom," not enough or about the right amount, 32% say "too much," and 37% say it has the right amount. Ten percent say it has too little.


Although a large majority of students surveyed say musicians and others should be allowed to express "unpopular opinions,"


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Help Save The Youth Of America
Help save the youth of America
Help save them from themselves
Help save the sun-tanned surfer boys
And the Californian girls

When the lights go out in the rest of the World
What do our cousins say
They're playing in the sun and having fun, fun, fun
Till Daddy takes the gun away

author by redjadepublication date Mon Jan 31, 2005 21:14author address author phone Report this post to the editors

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author by seanpublication date Tue Feb 01, 2005 15:51author address author phone Report this post to the editors

There is no need for me to comment on one individual's opinion that the New Standard has "a really bad name", as it is obviously your opinion. However, I was unable to understand the idea of "boring" journalism, does this refer to the style of presentation, the topics covered, or something else? Likewise, I don't see how the New Standard is either "isolated" or, as you say, "snooty". Would their link to Znet threaten their isolation?

What's wrong with establishing links to the Z project, or other progressive media outlets? How would this "blind" the New Standard from how (you believe) "the new journalism really works these days".

The participatory economics (or parecon) model is not old-fashioned, and I say this because it has only been developed since the 1960s. Not relying on advertising is a great step forward for an outlet that is attempting to put together their version of a daily paper.

Lastly, I think paying people for their work is better than asking them to do it for free. For journalists, butchers, plumbers, etc. Many people don't have the amount of leisure time needed to do a blog, or other similar projects. In your opinion, is paying people to research an article a bad thing?

I'm still interested to hear other views on the possibility of a project like New Standard in Ireland. I spoke to a several groups of people a few months ago about a similar project, and there was an interest expressed. I would also like to hear from Indymedia contributors. "Redjade" (sorry, I think this was the name) had asked about sustaining independent media at the Goodman talk. What does he (or anyone else) think of New Standard's methods?


author by Pastor Niemollerpublication date Wed Feb 02, 2005 13:48author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The quality of many articles appearing on Indymedia suggests that there are already people who are prepared to invest the time and interest to research and write well. No matter how high the quality of reportage from paid professional journalists and researchers, I think that we need to recognise that A: we already have high quality without having to pay for it; B: that once you get into payment, it could pull the carpet from under the good will of voluntary / unpaid contributors; and C: you run the risk of becoming linked with the agendas of the sources of financial support.

author by Michaelpublication date Wed Feb 02, 2005 14:00author address author phone Report this post to the editors

They bring it upon themselves. They stuck American cartoon characters onto their ships in an attempt to ape their American heros. The only time you ever hear of them in the news is when they've got so drunk that they've started to killing each other.

author by seanpublication date Wed Feb 02, 2005 20:45author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I agree that there are people that write (very good) articles and conduct research without pay, and this can be seen on this site. However, this argument alone does not adequately justify not paying people for their work. Added to that, just because someone recognises that point, does not mean they agree with points B and C of your argument.

For example, if you created a site similar to the New Standard here in Ireland, why would people suddenly stop writing for Indymedia? If they have been doing it for so long, and are committed to their work, why assume they would stop? People are paid to write for The Village, The Irish Times (etc.), but this does not stop people from writing here. I don't see how this argument holds up. I think it gets even weaker if you apply it to situations outside of the media.

I don't understand your third point. I'm assuming that most people who write without pay are receiving income from somewhere else. Is it better to be linked with the agenda of a business of an employer
outside of the media (Tesco, public service, pub, etc), than working for a progressive media outlet? This is how I understand your argument. It's okay to work elsewhere, and then write for free, because then you are not linked to the media outlet's agenda. How does that make sense?

Your overall argument suggest more of a reliance on volunteer work without pay. Why discriminate against people that need to be paid for the hours they put into their work? Who does your overall argument favour, and who does it work against?

There are sections of the editorial policy of the New Standard that explain how they attempt to handle some of the problems you highlight.

author by redjadepublication date Wed Feb 09, 2005 16:52author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Do US Troops Target Journalists in Iraq?
by Rony Abovitz

During one of the discussions about the number of journalists killed in the Iraq War, Eason Jordan asserted that he knew of 12 journalists who had not only been killed by US troops in Iraq, but they had in fact been targeted. He repeated the assertion a few times, which seemed to win favor in parts of the audience (the anti-US crowd) and cause great strain on others.


Eason seemed to backpedal quickly, but his initial statements were backed by other members of the audience (one in particular who represented a worldwide journalist group). The ensuing debate was (for lack of better words) a real "sh--storm". What intensified the problem was the fact that the session was a public forum being taped on camera, in front of an international crowd. The other looming shadow on what was going on was the presence of a U.S. Congressman and a U.S. Senator in the middle of some very serious accusations about the U.S. military.


If what Eason originally said was true, exactly what happened and why needs to become known to the American public and world at large. If it is not, it is an example of how "news" is created by the heat of the moment, without any bearing to reality. If it is true, we need to know if it was official or if it was just some random disgruntled soldiers.

author by redjadepublication date Sat Feb 12, 2005 17:37author address author phone Report this post to the editors

NEW YORK (AP) - CNN chief news executive Eason Jordan quit Friday amid a furor over remarks he made in Switzerland last month about journalists killed by the U.S. military in Iraq. Jordan said he was quitting to avoid CNN being "unfairly tarnished" by the controversy.


But the damage had been done, compounded by the fact that no transcript of his actual remarks has turned up. He was the target of an Internet and Web site campaign that was beginning to rival the one launched against CBS's Dan Rather following the network's ill-fated story last fall about President Bush's military service.

A Web site, Easongate.com, was created and distributed a petition this week calling on CNN to find a transcript and fire Jordan if he said the military had intentionally killed journalists.

The Web site had been preparing Friday to post information to help its supporters contact CNN's advertisers. A message posted on the site after Jordan's resignation said its authors were pleased with the outcome but still want a videotape of the economic forum released.

"To every reader, commentator, e-mailer and blogger that committed to this cause, thank you," a message on the Web site read. "This is a victory for every soldier who has honorably served this nation. To you we devote this victory."

Related Link: http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050212/D886M8800.html
author by redjadepublication date Tue Feb 15, 2005 13:21author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Amy Goodman speech recorded Sunday 30th January at the London School of Economics


ogg format, however

author by redjadepublication date Wed Mar 16, 2005 15:34author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Laurie Garrett of 'Newsday' Rips Tribune Co

Laurie Garrett, the prize-winning Newsday reporter, left the Melville, N.Y., paper Monday with a blistering memo to her colleagues that may provoke debate elsewhere in the newspaper industry.


'Honesty and tenacity (and for that matter, the working class) seem to have taken backseats to the sort of 'snappy news', sensationalism, scandal-for-the-sake of scandal crap that sells. This is not a uniquely Tribune or even newspaper industry problem: this is true from the Atlanta mixing rooms of CNN to Sulzberger's offices in Times Square. Profits: that's what it's all about now. But you just can't realize annual profit returns of more than 30 percent by methodically laying out the truth in a dignified, accessible manner. And it's damned tough to find that truth every day with a mere skeleton crew of reporters and editors.

'This is terrible for democracy. I have been in 47 states of the USA since 9/11, and I can attest to the horrible impact the deterioration of journalism has had on the national psyche. I have found America a place of great and confused fearfulness.'

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Amy Goodman interviews Laurie Garrett....

→ Laurie Garrett: And I want to say one thing to any of your viewers out there that are coming from a kind of conspiracy place. I do not believe, and I have never witnessed it in the newsroom, that the political agenda of these corporations or any group of individuals dictates news coverage. It might at certain institutions, perhaps Fox Television, for example, but what I’m talking about is not political bias. I'm not talking here about somebody coming in and saying, you cannot write that story because it doesn't reflect our agenda. I have never ever seen that happen at Newsday, at NPR, in any newsroom I have worked in. What I am talking about is that a story that requires some difficulty to appreciate, that deserves complex analysis, and that might need 3,000 words to explain will not get that 3,000 words, because it's not snappy, it doesn't sell, it's not got a great catchy headline with it, and besides, we need that space to do Michael Jackson. We need that space to show Martha Stewart walking out of prison. And celebrity news sells. But plodding analysis of Social Security does not.''

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