Al-Qaeda rockets oil price

by Phil Boylan Wed Jun 02, 2004 20:03

Al Qaeda attacking foreign workers, NOT mercenaries, in Saudi Arabia is extremely foolish and counter-productive, Eventually the westerners, will clam up and the AQ boys will be forced to get more and more aggressive to strike at the Westerners, in that situation it is inevitable for innocent Saudis to get caught up in the violence. That won't go down too well.

I don't particularly like the Saudi Royal Family, but I would rather have them in power than have a radical Islamic Theocracy.

A major problem faced by the Saudi population is that a lrage proportion of its citizens are taught very little about social or important matters in school, leaving with in some instances only a knowledge of the Koran and Islamic principles. Now would you rather have someone who has studied Chemical Processing in college or someone who believes in a book, as being the person responsible for your fuel.

At the most unlikely any further violence causes the world economy to look at other means of fuel. Unlikely as big companies such as Halliburton, Shell etc would not make money this way, but still a possibility. There is very little else in Saudi Arabia other than Oil, so if all the foreigners leave and the Oil stops being exported, what is going to happen to the population.

Also those two 'glorious' AQ guys who shot up a police station, you mentioned, got their asses handed to em a few minutes later by the Saudi police forces. Fucking idiots got wiped out and good. Scumbag Terrorists.

If AQ ain't careful they'll find themselves getting a real bad name in the muslim world soon enough. Remember only a certain percentage of the worlds muslim population follow the radical AQ way of thinking.

I just hope anyone involved with AQ or supporting AQ get executed and sorted out properly.

by Tabernacle Thu Jun 03, 2004 02:13

The CIA have renewed their acquaintance with their old pals from the Afghan wars and are quietly, covertly undermining the House of Saud in order to make a grab for the oil.

The rising oil prices will also have the neat affect of making Americans anxious to keep troops in the Middle east.

They should remember that if you sup with the devil you should use a long fork. These spooks never learn.

by befuddled Thu Jun 03, 2004 15:57

think it through.
draw yourself a map.
(we did this 5 years ago)
Now in one year of your "proposed Oil grab"
one barrel of crude is up 10$.
How many years of the Oil grab, which incidently serves many interests (to qoute today's Guardian "making it too expensive to take your car out of the garage") will also effect the lowest paid as non-nuclear energy reliant countries face higher energy costs.
The lowest paid, and the service industries, and the "artistic types" will also suffer as a result of increased inflation and interest rates which is the only foreseeable effect of heightening transport costs. If you can't aford to take your car out of the garage, you can't afford to import food by haulage.

If these hypothetical poorer classes are already polarised as to the causes of their discontent, some believing the shortage of work which will follow to be the result of increased migration, or increased numbers of "immigrant looking people", then the scenario proves to be even more volatile.

All through this, Fossil Fuel would be secured for the USA and EU. And consumption would be reduced, extending global reserves, those with jobs close to hand, in the IT sector, and professionals would survive the social effects. Those not in such jobs, such as "you" and "I" will not.

The USA shows many signs of returning to a war economy with the presentation of military draft legislation. If this happens, then we are as Bush remarked yesterday in Colorado, "in the remake of WW2".

This is why "we", ( & I never write just for myself), protested against the war.
Oil is indeed measured in Blood.
And sooner or later, bread, electricity, and jobs. Meanwhile, our governments to encourage competitiveness will go on reuding spending on social provision and care, themselves the product of a Hell, so many so blythely believe unrepeatable.

The fools.

[however, this may not be the direction of the war - above is only an extended hypothesis with european social risk heightened. That alone will bring support for an increased US presence at the Saudi oil fields, where oddly enough till 2002, over 250,000 troops were stationed.]

NEVER FORGET.
unless you have three years salary saved, you can not survive a war. Nothing proves social inequality more than wars. Perhaps war would be good for the PDs. they'd be amongst those who could afford to survive.

by Cassell Fri Jun 04, 2004 13:44

It's all being orchestrated by the CIA just like the "popular referendum" in Venezuela.

by ---___- Sat Jun 05, 2004 10:11

An explosive device planted underneath a 5,000-tonne oil cistern in the town of Neftekumsk in Russia's Stavropol region occurred at 03:00 Moscow time this morning (Saturday). Another explosive device was found under another cistern, and the police are trying to disarm it.

At the same time an al Qaeda unit in Jeddah commenced attacks on vehicles of US military personel. Police engaged the militants for over an hour in a running gun battle as they tried to surround the attackers vehicles.

Al Qaeda senior member in Saudi, Abdulaziz al-Muqrin, called on Saudis to support the organisation's campaign to topple the US-allied Saudi monarchy. He praised an al-Qaida attack in the Saudi city of Yanbu in early May, the killing of a German in Riyadh two weeks ago and Wednesday's shooting on US military personnel near Riyadh.

He also rejected a Saudi claim that two men killed near the western city of Ta'if on Wednesday had links to the Khobar attack.

Stavropol / Chechnya

by hamish - mcDougal Douglas Sat Jun 05, 2004 11:05 jippox at hotmail dot com

I love the way you dress up your own bigoted opinion to look like fact to the less critically initiated thinker. Where did you study your Middle-eastern culture and history, sounds like you really know your stuff ...

"but I would rather have them in power than have a radical Islamic Theocracy".

It is obvious you have been to Saudi Arabia and know a great deal about Wahabiism and radical islam. Furthermore your grasp of the basics of "terrorism" and suicidal jihad and its history in the region is just astounding.

"Eventually the westerners, will clam up and the AQ boys will be forced to get more and more aggressive to strike at the Westerners, in that situation it is inevitable for innocent Saudis to get caught up in the violence. That won't go down too well".

This turn of events is definitely not what these "evildoers" would wish for, just look at how it didn't work in other situations where it was used as a tactic including our own island. Those "scumbag terrorists" is that the technical term for suicidal mujahidin? Ad hominem fallacy, are you hoping to win converts to your fantastical opinion??? The conclusion you draw is an equivocation and an attempt to justify your own poorly thought out opinion.

"There is very little else in Saudi Arabia other than Oil, so if all the foreigners leave and the Oil stops being exported, what is going to happen to the population. "

The poor population which, as you have already mentioned, have little else than a Koran it would appear that they benefit little from the current situation in any case.
I know very little about Muslim culture or the history of the middle-east a trait I hold in common with, I would imagine, 95% of the people with an opinion on the subject including yourself, but at least i don't attempt to convert other people to my own misinformed way of thinking, maybe Phil you should read more, write little and say even less. Because in the end it may only serve as evidence to the fact that you aren't so very different from the bigoted zealots you despise so much

"I just hope anyone involved with AQ or supporting AQ get executed and sorted out properly".

How for instance Phil would you tell an "AQ" or their supporters from a large bunch of dark-skinned "foreigners" execute them all and let your conscience sort it out !?!.

by Hilal Sat Jun 05, 2004 20:00

"Phil Boylan" : Mercinaries and US military personel have been among those attacked in Saudi Arabia. Those attacks will increase on them as well as on Petroleum workers. They and the targets they protect and service are very easily hit and "clamming up" will do them no good, unless they want to go to their home countries and do it. They are not even safe in their homes in Saudi where they have their throats cut.

It is very true that the high price and restricted availability of petrol and petroleum products will force us to seek alternatives. Is this such a bad thing? We should thank al Qaeda for doing what Greens have been seeking for years: high fuel prices and alternative energy sources developed. But Muslims are not foolish in this, or why do you think so, you ignorant and arrogant fool? They live in this world too and are just as affected by the wasteful overuse of oil by particularly the US. Or do you think muslims are too stupid to care about the greenhouse effect?

Oil is a finite resource and producers are going to get more and more money for it as it becomes scarcer. They will up the price as much as possible and the western thieves will shrink the price as much as possible by installing theft-friendly regimes in oil producing muslim countries. They will sell every last drop of that oil and you know in a few years it will cost you hundreds of dollars just for one gallon of it. Do you appreciate they are the only people in the world at present with a major investment that is appreciating and guarnteed to appreciate in quantum amounts in the next few years.

Your inorance of the Qur'an and "Islamic principles" is obviously as great as your ingnorance of Saudi Arabians themselves. You seem to think the reading the word of God, submitting onself to His will and living by the faith of Islam somehow excludes intelligence or the ability to , as you put it, "study chemical processing". I assure you that in Saudi Arabia the men who are now taking up arms against the thieves are very well educated, indeed some of them in "Chemical Processes" and much much more, or haven't you seen the FBI's most wanted? Or go down you local hospital and ask how many surgeons are from Saudi? You idiot !

While there was a certain amount of contact between the US and the Mujahideen in Afghanistan twenty years ago it was simply at the level of providing military equipment and basic training in tactics. The CIA were just the US agency who organised this and at no time did any relationship develop between the Mujahideen and their military suppliers. In fact their was great mistrust and contempt on both side for the other. On the other hand Irish military and police who go to the US for training become "pals" with their US counterparts and a subtle brainwashing and indoctrination into the worst prinicples of US paranoic and hysterical racist bigotry is played on them as they swill down more bourbon and beer with the "lads". They wear the same baseball caps, ogle the same women, and play the same games etc, etc. Then returning to Ireland they are easily controlled, best of all without even realising it.

To suggest the CIA ever developed such a relationship with Osama bin Laden or others of that persuasion is not plausible. But the yankees might want to watch out that the Russians don't see sense before them and cut a deal with al Qaeda. They could do with peace in Chechnya and the caucuses and some guarntee of an uninterrupted oil supply . But would al Qaeda want to make the Russian Federation so powerful and where would that leave the US and it's slaves?

by bendover basil mcivor Sat Jun 05, 2004 23:41

Surely petrol prices should be going down, seeing as the US has captured iraqis oil fields.
Whats happening, is petrol prices have rocketed, because of the war in Iraq .

Petrol prices have been hiked to pay for the unstable situation in the middle east due to the war on Iraq.

The war in iraq has served to unite all manner of right wing muslim fanatics behind the extreme right wing, cia funded al qaeda fanatics. So the whole middle east region has been destablised, resulting in petrol prices having to be hiked, which serves the interests of multinational oil companies, who relish the opportunity to make increasing profits on the back of global unrest.