IPSC launches campaign for EU action on Mid-East rights abuses

by avi15 Wed Apr 14, 2004 04:07

organisation is silent on the dispatch of terrorist infiltrators into Israel from the areas behind the wall. The suicides and murders of ordinary people targeted as such, is indisputably a war crime, and ipso facto also a grave breach of human rights of the innocent victims, many of whom are often Arabs, foreign workers, tourists as well as Israelis. While the fence may impede livelihoods and family reunions, it does not destroy human life, and is a necessary security measure. Guess what? Terrorist atrocities against innocent people inside Israel are WAY DOWN since the start of the fence's construction. This would appear to demonstrate that the fence, along with the IDF's proactive stance against terrorists, actually does far more to save human life than take it. The entire issue of the fence is yet another piece of Palestinian terrorist propaganda swallowed hook line and sinker by naive people with closed minds who know nothing - and want to know nothing - about Palestinian fascism.

by Northern Eye Wed Apr 14, 2004 05:05

Well Avi, it might stop a few suicide bombers in the short term ( but not all ), but the hate it and other Israeli actions contribute to won't stop a determined Palestinian with a nuclear suitcase or some such weapon walking into a Israeli city some day in the future and letting it off. We'll see how much your fence has contributed to security then.

by avi15 Wed Apr 14, 2004 11:13

The sort of idiots who would do that would attempt to do it anyway. Remember that there is no concession Israel can make to the likes of Hamas, because Hamas wants to destroy all of Israel period. Remember also that every Israeli city contains a large Arab population as well, so such an atrocity would be inflicted on Arabs just as much as everyone else.

In any case, consider this: the Palestinian Christians, who are persecuted by the Palestinian muslim majority, are subject to just the same restrictions as they are. YET they do not engage in terrorism, still less suicide terrorism, which would seem to disprove the contention that terrorism results from frustration.

The fact is, the Palestinians are oppressed by their own people (Far more Palestinians have been killed by Palestinian terrorist gangs than ever were by the IDF.) The ordinary Palestinian has been let down by the inherent corruption of Arab society. The Palestinians - so called - have brought all their misery on themselves, I am afraid. All very sad for them.

by Palmiro Togliatti Thu Apr 15, 2004 01:31

Christian Palestinians have been every bit as much involved in the Palestinian struggle for freedom as Muslim and atheist Palestinians.

Prominent Palestinians from a Christian background include George Habbash, founder and long-time leader of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, the intellectual Edward Said, the negotiator and former minister Hanan Ashraw, Democratic front for the Liberation of Palestine Secretary General Niaf Hawatmeh, director of the Palestinian Centre for Rapprochement Ghassan Andoni, etc, etc.

Avi, you can't just make up any blatant lies you like because people will realise that's what they are. Try and copy the more sophisticated Israeli government lobbyists and use more subtle lies. Believe me, it works for them.

by kokomero Thu Apr 15, 2004 15:48

the true terror regieme is Israel whose butchery and repression causes 25% of Palestinians to live in abject poverty and starvation according the UN and Red Cross.

Israel is the country that uses nuclear terror against its neighbours to continue its colonisation of the land it has been stealing progressively since 1948.

The sooner trade sanctions are invoked against your murderous regieme, the better.

Anything would be preferrable to the policy of apeasement which failed against you, as it failed against Hitler and Milosevic!

As for your racist views on Arabs/Muslims and no doubt about Christians and other gentiles behind their backs, for once either be honest about your own corrupt and bankrupt state and leaders or else shut up!

by Northern Eye Thu Apr 15, 2004 18:16

It is my belief that, deep, deep down, the Israeli collective mind hates itself and everyone else. Its on a death wish.

by avi H. Fri Apr 16, 2004 06:28

There are no Christian suicide bombers and I certainly wouldn't class Edward Said and Hanan Ashrawi as terrorists, however warped their views may have been. The fact is, suicide terrorism is not a spontaneous expression of frustration. Mentally subnormal 14 year olds do not suddenly build complex bombs and try to kill themselves and others with them unaided, any less than a ten year old getting fooled into taking a package containing a bomb to a checkpoint is an expression of frustration on the ten year old's part. No, we are dealing with Islamist terrorism here and it is not racist to point that out, simply stating an obvious fact.

Incidentally, you may be interested to know that I will no longer be contributing to this wonderful site. The reason for this is that I am finding that, not only are any threads that I initiate being deleted by the editor(s), now my posts are starting to be deleted, too. The only reason for this would seem to be that my views are regarded as unacceptable. As this a breach of the principle of free and democratic expression (supposedly) espoused by this site, I can only conclude that gross hypocrisy is going on here. Actually, I think that tells us a lot about the so-called anti-war movement, which is no more anti-war than Yasser Arafat, and its cartoon-like, 2-D viewpoints. So you can now all be as anti-Semitic as you like, as you will be talking to each other. I hope you find it interesting.