Not a cent from gov to encourage youth voting

by Clive Sullish - Buck_Fush.org Wed Mar 24, 2004 16:03

That's how Emma Goldman, another would-be workers' leader of eastern European background, put it.

And standing at school gates pushing votes at the impressionable young is neither dignified nor socially desirable, Ivana.

by Mark O 'Hehir Wed Mar 24, 2004 16:05

Or at least until the voter has payed some PAYE - And you can only vote for people who've had real jobs - not like Ms. Bacik

by Fergal Wed Mar 24, 2004 17:29

What an informative thread. It illustrates that people on both sides of the political divide can spout glib nonsense

by Fergal Wed Mar 24, 2004 17:32

Though I realise that my position is somewhat weakened by my inability to correctly spell the word "reasoned"...

by Conor - ucdSA Wed Mar 24, 2004 18:21

that people are attracted to power for the wrong reasons, and a sizeable percentage of those in power (be they ff, fg, labour) will be corrupted once elected.

therefore young people dont vote.

sorry for taking an anarchist perspective here-hope i havent offended many on the right wing of labour (inc)! people would vote if they thought it mattered - well in this central democracy, it doesnt.people see that, people arent stupid, therefore they dont vote.

the only tds the young identify with are parish pump specialties like jacky healy rae, and other such gobshites.

making "political education" or somesuch manditory for the junior cert (garrett fitzgearld) or spending money on enticing the youth out (ivana bacik)to vote is nothing short of , at mostpure cynical social manipulation, or at least pure stupidity.

by Fergal Wed Mar 24, 2004 18:27

Tell it to someone in North Korea. Or tell it to a black citizen of South Africa.

If complaining changed anything we wouldnt need to vote

by pc Wed Mar 24, 2004 19:11

these civics course or what ever

does anyone know much about them, goes off to look...

i bet they don't teach looking afterself

not a an anarchist idea just commonsense?

by j.a. Wed Mar 24, 2004 19:17

Fergal - I wonder if the N.Koreans or South Africans crave democracy or equality. The two terms are not synonymous as we've had so called democracy in the west for years and we still have raging inequality.
I agree with those who say democracy is sham, but i've got to qualify this. Liberal democracy (i.e. democracy + capitalism + low regulation) is most certainly a sham - where the market and private concerns are allowed to dictate so much.
Democracy, i think can only be valid where there is near full participation within it, and those elected are held trul accountable to the electorate. Not what someone (can't rememberwho) has described as a sixty second democracy - where one is only empowered for that brief moment when one casts ones vote and is then left to a virtual dictatorship for the next 5 years!

by pc Wed Mar 24, 2004 22:12

the gov did intro civics studies in school

depedning onn what they teach a subject like has as good as chance of any on encourageing people to vote...

so ...

by Conor - SA ucd Thu Mar 25, 2004 12:45

nice to see fergals deep analysis here. lets have n.korea as the yardstick for democracy or freedom here?

twat

by Fergal Thu Mar 25, 2004 13:05

"lets have n.korea as the yardstick for democracy or freedom here?

twat"

Conor - Your first sentance doesn't even make grammatical sense, and your second is pretty rich from someone who sees fit to bemoan a lack of deep analysis.

Of course N. Korea isn't the best bencmark for democracy (obviously, it's probably the worst) I merely mention it to make the point that people have and continue to fight and die for democracy, so to call it a sham is in poor taste coming from someone who (I presume) has never had to live without it.

Oh and while I'm on the topic of N. Korea, I'd suggest that it's the most equal society in the world. I still wouldn't want to live there though.

by Conor - SA Thu Mar 25, 2004 14:35

c

by Fergal Thu Mar 25, 2004 18:12

You only know one 4-letter word? How about "cunt"? Try it, it'd suit you.

by c - sa Thu Mar 25, 2004 20:19

cock

by shocked Fri Mar 26, 2004 23:29

God don't you know journalists are reading,
what effect will this have on our childrens' and parents' media next week?

by Mike - Judean Popular Peoples Front Sat Mar 15, 2008 10:46

Id reduce the voting age to 16 but would deny a vote to people who cannot spell words like "paid".

by Cael Sat Mar 15, 2008 19:19

As the youth of Ireland are the main victims of the Landlord/Fianna Fail land and housing scam, its hardly surprising that nothing is done to encourage them to vote.