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Richard Boyd Barrett (The scum also rises)

category national | miscellaneous | news report author Wednesday April 02, 2003 19:07author by King Mob Report this post to the editors

Richard Boyd Barrett, swp lackey, and darling of the Irish Anti War Movement was this week profiled in the Dubliner Magazine. Hardly the behaviour of a card carrying socialist, but typical behaviour for Richard.

These kinds of articles are usually greeted with sneers and allegations of "trying to split the movement" and suggestions of "pig infiltrators". I'm sorry I'm not in the mood to march in line and chant "one solution revoltion", Barrett and his ilk are the bloated greasy fat on the side of the anti war movement, a parasite needing to be burnt off, before the drag us down an alley to abuse us, to suit their needs and goals.

Barrett's slack jawed grin recently featured in a full page spread in "the Dubliner" magazine. "The Dubliner", for those on this site, is a rotten magazine with pseudo intellectual delusionals of taste and style, a pouncy magazines for yuppies and people aspiring to one day live in Dalkey. In short not exactly the socialist worker now is it. The article "thirty people fighting to change your world" also featured Indymedia saying and I quote "If you want to check out just how non senscial and intolerant the left can be check out indymedia.ie" Hardly surprising from a rag that has Brendan O'Connor on the payroll, however you can rest assured that indymedia wasn't invited to the luncheon the Dubliner threw, Barrett was and he went, and posed for photos for the magazine!

What kind of socialist does this! Well to exam Barrett's credentials he's hardly a socialist at all. His father was named and shamed in the Ansbacher report, a weathly architect with offices close the the Burlington.

A venue which would ring bells with readers of this site, being the location of the ppp course in November 01. Remember that kittens? The SWPs ludricous attempt at DA trying to storm the conference an idiotic attempt at DA that makes the laughable GRAWN effort in Shannon on March 1st, look, well less laughable.

But thats the SWP's attitude they'll use any excuse to drum up support and garner members. Consider Boyd's appearance on the Late Late Show after last Mays Reclaim the Streets, had Boyd been there? No but you can bet damn sure he made every effort to promote GR ( remember them?)(including pretty much demanding on IMC Member attend the GR press conference after may 6th) to raise their profile. The fact that people had been injured or personal freedom assaulted was a handy spring board for Barrett, but everything is to him and his ilk.

Or how about that leeked internal SWP memo, which praised GR for "raising their profile" after May 6th, a direct contradiction to GRs offical stance of wanting to see justice above all else.

How about Richard's moral outrage at not being allowed to bring his thousands up Grafton St on Decmember 8th, how this was "a direct assault on civil freedom" and his comparission to the RTS. The fact that trying to march (what turned out to be 500/750 people) up a pedestrian street on the traditional busiest shopping day of the year, would have been a public order nightmare and could have leaded to a huge crush and possible injuries, didn't stop Richard from ripping off his shirt and screaming "Are we not wronged" metaphorically of course. Any exuse eh richard?

Again his presence on the late late show in the new year was utterly contemptable. TWO members of the SWP on the stand while members of refueling for peace in the audience. Barrett had been down to shannon twice at this point (memoriably he forced Grace Layly of the SWP off the road during the solidarity sit in, after people had been arrested) yet people who had spent months in shannon at night in the cold where left languishing in the audience as Barrett took credit for their work, and effort.

Any attack, make no mistake this is an attack, on Barrett would not be complete without the fiasco of March 1st, when Barrett roundly attacked the GRAWM on Morning Ireland condemning their attempted DA outside shannon, the fact that the IAWM had at first been in favour of DA, but backed down after SIPTU pressure lets us know how strong their resolve is, and how easy they will fold. He damaged a protest that asked not for his or his SWP lackeys help, to gain favour, and now he cries out for DA. He's a hypocrite, and his masters weathervain, spinning whichever way he's told.

Yes this is an attack, and no fuck you if you tell me to to shut up and demand unity. What kind of anti war movement can we have if one of our leaders is a socialist who will play ball with "The Dubliner", and will cry out for DA if only it is ineffective and non confrontantly. As I write this it's six pm, and over an hour and half till the Dail Blocade. Are they idiots! No, they know full well that come half seven all the TDs will have left and this will be a symbolic piece of garbage, non confrontatly safe, and not at all dangerous, or even effective, just the way they like it.

A senior member of the SWP recently bragged to a source of mine about how many recruits had been garnered over the last few weeks. And how many for the muslim community. Are these new recruits aware of the cyncial opportuntists whos rule the part they are now a part of? Will they run away from all left wing groups the moment the sour taste of the SWP hits their mouths? Probably they will when the realise how they've been used, how this war is just a way of getting more papers sold to the SWP, they'll grow disgusted with "the left" and walk away.

If there was any justice is the world the true opposition to this war would grab Barrett (and those Sinn Fein opportunist, opposing the war yet posing for photos with Bush come Paddys day) strip them naked and run them out of town with electric cattle prods. They are albatross' around the neck of those who truly want to end the war.

We need people commited, not to the their party, their image, and themselves, but commited to ending the war in charge, and leading us forward, we're wasting time here. People are dying, and frankly I doubt the Gavin Lambert Symth of the left really gives a fuck.

The scum rises.

Related Link: http://www.thedubliner.ie
author by kokomeropublication date Wed Apr 02, 2003 19:17author address author phone Report this post to the editors

This SP vs. SWP garbage is of no value to this site and should be deleted.

author by King Mobpublication date Wed Apr 02, 2003 19:22author address author phone Report this post to the editors

And I care. It matters when the ethics politics and motivation of someone in charge of the IAWM are so dubious and lax.

And fuck you lizard boy you went around accusing IMC of having Pro Israeli leanings cause the deleted a bleeding e-mail petition calling for the banning of Arms trade to Israeli.

"Gu hu, we had better stop this $1.5 billion dollar business"

"Gee why boss?"

"Cause a bunch of people sent a load of e-mails"

If you want to do something slighty more effective for the Palestinian people, why don't you mail them a load of snowballs.

Muppet

author by Rich Boy Barrettpublication date Wed Apr 02, 2003 19:30author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I hear that RBB is having major problems with others in the leadership of the SWP and is considering leaving the party and using his new found B rate celebraty status to either launch a new party or go independent and get elected in the local elections in the ward of Dalkey.

author by king mob is a prickpublication date Wed Apr 02, 2003 19:35author address author phone Report this post to the editors

but its what you get king mob you fucking asshole when you go around trying to stir up shit about boyd barrett and the swp cant you fuck off to ogra ff and bitch about the swp there as you are more vitriolic in your abuse of the swp then any right winger could be, why dont you just fuck off indymedia if you are not going to post anything worthwhile.

author by King Mobpublication date Wed Apr 02, 2003 19:35author address author phone Report this post to the editors

if you don't have anything y'know, true to add you can piss off too rich boy, Barrett is his party's darling.

author by pat cpublication date Wed Apr 02, 2003 19:42author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Mob

rbb also has a page 2 interview in magill. aaarrrgghh! i need to puke.

author by Daithipublication date Wed Apr 02, 2003 19:51author address author phone Report this post to the editors

There is no way in hell that this should being deleted; this is one of the longest original articles published on Indymedia in the past few days, and is much more consistent with the idea of independent media than a series of articles on the Mid East copied from already well-known news sources. Neither are deleted, of course, but if I had the choice I'd pull a story copied from RTE much quicker than I'd pull this.

This is a site that's supposed to be about production and distribution of original content, not a mirror for the coverage of selected issues by the conventional media outlets. I'm just as frustrated as everyone else with the sniping nonsense that takes place, in particular in the comments sections, but I cannot find any part of the editorial policy that would justify doing anything to this article. If anyone wants to suggest that the policy should be amended to say that detailed and otherwise unpublished articles critical of figures on the Irish left should be deleted but unoriginal copy and paste jobs and petitions shouldn't, then I'm sure it will be given due consideration. (I'm not being sarcastic here; the policy evolves constantly and all suggestions are welcome).

author by King Mobpublication date Wed Apr 02, 2003 19:52author address author phone Report this post to the editors

At least magill is a poltical magazine, the Dubliner is toilet paper with delusions of hippness, theres no justification in co-operating wih that rag; Barrett would jam his face on to the side of coke cans if he thought he could raise his profile.

And yes the person who thinks I'm a prick, I am more vitriolic in my abuse than any right winger, because Barrett is a whore, he is abusing the goodwill and public support of the left for his own ends.

At least many right wingers have convictions and hold themselves to them. Barrett has the morals and ethics of jackel or hynea. Those scrappy little scavengers will rip the muscle and meat of anything to gain sustainance and support. He's a vulture in seach of a cause.

author by mepublication date Thu Apr 03, 2003 00:19author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Get a mike, show your faces, speak your minds, do something worthwhile. RBB does the things that most aren't willing, or consider self-destructive or are maybe afraid of being branded with a whole bunch of bad labels. It's the price you pay, because of people like you who have nothing better to do only fling verbal crap at somebody who probably threatens your ego. People like you will never have a place in decision-making, direct action etc. and are only good for mouthing off unwarranted and elitist remarks about others. You miss the point. You are afraid of something. You are insecure. Words like yours only come from insecure and fearful people. Is that your contribution to the world? How the hell does that actually benifit anyone? Can you actually say anything at all without being political? Where's your spirit and affinity for your fellow man and your self-respect and dignity? There's a war going on and many people die every day in the name of demonic and predatory ruling clans, for God's sake.
Just what is your cause??

author by John - G(alway)AAWpublication date Thu Apr 03, 2003 00:33author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Do people read the Dublinner? If they do, it would have irresponsible of Richard —or any other representative of the movement, for that matter— to turn down the opportunity of communicating the anti-war message to the (as yet) uncommitted.

author by antopublication date Thu Apr 03, 2003 00:57author address author phone Report this post to the editors

have a spliff and listen to some choons, life's too bleedin short.....

author by Ariannapublication date Thu Apr 03, 2003 01:33author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"Get a mike, show your faces, speak your minds, do something worthwhile."
FYI, at lunchtime on the 20th of March at the protest outside the Dail, I asked RBB could I borrow his megaphone to make an announcement asking people to stay around and be present when the vote was over and the TDs were coming out. He refused on the grounds that he wanted people to go to the protest at 6pm outisde the US embassy, and if I asked people to be at the Dail at 4:30 this would be "splitting the movement". I pointed out that there would still be plenty of time to get to the embassy and that it was more worthwhile to be at the Dail where our politicians had made this disgusting decision, than outside an empty embassy after everyone there had gone home. He still refused to let me use his megaphone, or to make any announcement himself. After this, I and 7 others locked ourselves together and lay down in front of the gates to the Dail, succesfully blocking some of the cars from exiting for over an hour. I think this constitutes showing my face and doing something worthwhile.
RBB keeps on saying that we need to "build a mass movement"- but what good is a mass movement if it just chants and holds demos and marches. I don't know the man personally, I just had that one conversation with him, but I must say he failed to inspire me!!

RBB does the things that most aren't willing, or consider self-destructive or are maybe afraid of being branded with a whole bunch of bad labels. It's the price you pay, because of people like you who have nothing better to do only fling verbal crap at somebody who probably threatens your ego. People like you will never have a place in decision-making, direct action etc. and are only good for mouthing off unwarranted and elitist remarks about others. You miss the point. You are afraid of something. You are insecure. Words like yours only come from insecure and fearful people. Is that your contribution to the world? How the hell does that actually benifit anyone? Can you actually say anything at all without being political? Where's your spirit and affinity for your fellow man and your self-respect and dignity? There's a war going on and many people die every day in the name of demonic and predatory ruling clans, for God's sake.
Just what is your cause??

author by Ariannapublication date Thu Apr 03, 2003 01:33author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"Get a mike, show your faces, speak your minds, do something worthwhile."
FYI, at lunchtime on the 20th of March at the protest outside the Dail, I asked RBB could I borrow his megaphone to make an announcement asking people to stay around and be present when the vote was over and the TDs were coming out. He refused on the grounds that he wanted people to go to the protest at 6pm outisde the US embassy, and if I asked people to be at the Dail at 4:30 this would be "splitting the movement". I pointed out that there would still be plenty of time to get to the embassy and that it was more worthwhile to be at the Dail where our politicians had made this disgusting decision, than outside an empty embassy after everyone there had gone home. He still refused to let me use his megaphone, or to make any announcement himself. After this, I and 7 others locked ourselves together and lay down in front of the gates to the Dail, succesfully blocking some of the cars from exiting for over an hour. I think this constitutes showing my face and doing something worthwhile.
RBB keeps on saying that we need to "build a mass movement"- but what good is a mass movement if it just chants and holds demos and marches. I don't know the man personally, I just had that one conversation with him, but I must say he failed to inspire me!!

author by simonpublication date Thu Apr 03, 2003 01:45author address author phone Report this post to the editors

This all sounds like a school-yard slagging match. If your trying to communicate something you should use any source available. If FOX news were to offer RBB an interview do you think he should refuse because of their 'style'? - you probably do if you logic is to be followed.

Id say damn right do the interview and make sure you make your point load and clear. KM take your head out of your a~~ and see some reality. isolationism is weak division.


peace out.

author by Guy Debord - SIpublication date Thu Apr 03, 2003 09:47author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"How about Richard's moral outrage at not being allowed to bring his thousands up Grafton St on Decmember 8th, how this was "a direct assault on civil freedom" and his comparission to the RTS. The fact that trying to march (what turned out to be 500/750 people) up a pedestrian street on the traditional busiest shopping day of the year, would have been a public order nightmare and could have leaded to a huge crush and possible injuries, didn't stop Richard from ripping off his shirt and screaming "Are we not wronged" metaphorically of course. Any exuse eh richard?"

author by Yossarianpublication date Thu Apr 03, 2003 11:03author address author phone Report this post to the editors

it doesnt matter, dont you guys remember...Yossarian lives.....Yossarian lives....Yossarian lives....Yossarian lives...

author by kokomeropublication date Thu Apr 03, 2003 11:15author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Actually Mink, I apologised for my error if you had bothered to look.

My real complaint was not about the deletion without explanation given that there was a thread of discussion following the post on the petition.

I do not disagree with your assessment and that of IMC that email petitions are ineffective, and certainly do not have a problem with their deletion assuming the policy of IMC is clearly stated each time as part of the posting process ... hardly too difficult to do?

BTW this incessant SWP vs SP bickering still adds nothing to this site and makes the whole site look like a left-wing ghetto cry-in. Correct me if I'm wrong!


author by Not in any partypublication date Thu Apr 03, 2003 11:47author address author phone Report this post to the editors

While this article shouldn't be deleted I think it is bad journalism.

An attempt is made to sully RBB's character by referencing th activities and occupation of his father. This is bullshit, speaking personnally, my lifestyle and opinions are a world a way from my own fathers amd impliying RBB has some kind of associated guilt is nonsense.

The overall tone of the article is sensationlist, with small examples of RBB's actions at particualar events being blown out of all proportion rather than being taken as what they are, small on the spot organisational decisions.

His appearance in publications could be for two reasons, to promote himself or to promote the IAWM or SWP. Having known the guy several years ago I can only say good things, and that he has a genuine social conscience and is not out purely to promote himself.

This article rather than analysing RBB's actions and then passing judgement, seems to me to start from the point of hating RBB and then grabbing at straws to support it central thrust. It stinks of petty sectarian journalism

author by Simpson Eh?publication date Thu Apr 03, 2003 12:33author address author phone Report this post to the editors

and people wonder why the Left has disappeared up its own arse........ We are against a war, have your bicker fest elsewhere.
For (deliberately non-aligned) people like myself who consult this site looking for an alternative view on the war and anti-war activity this petty shite is incredibly off putting.

author by Sharonpublication date Thu Apr 03, 2003 12:48author address author phone Report this post to the editors

First the personal attacks on Davy carlin and now RRB. Both members of SWP and both recently profiled. Davy Carlin in the Andersonstown news and RBB in the Dubliner magazine,big deal. Whats the problem? I thought the war was in Iraq.

author by you foolpublication date Thu Apr 03, 2003 14:04author address author phone Report this post to the editors

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author by Sharonpublication date Thu Apr 03, 2003 15:04author address author phone Report this post to the editors

So I am a fool. Now a personal attack on myself from 'that person without a name'. Could I also be due a profile soon?. Or maybe anonymous postings don't count

author by Curiouspublication date Thu Apr 03, 2003 15:48author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Shouldnt you be busy enough running Israel?

author by Chris Henry - Socialist Youth Colerainepublication date Thu Apr 03, 2003 15:57author email lavosfanfiction at hotmail dot comauthor address author phone Report this post to the editors

I'm no fan of Richard Boyd-Barrett. But for FUCK SAKE! There's a war going on out there! Why don't we concentrate on something slightly more important rather than slagging off the rest of the left-wing! This is the bloody reason why the left is going to find it increasingly hard to come together in this country, when so-called left-wingers have nothing better to do but slag each other off on internet boards! The real activity is happening on the streets, never mind some yuppie-slut magazine. I understand where you people are coming from, but wouldn't it be a better use of your energy to build actual socialism in this country? Let's stop this ridiculous backbiting and do something useful for a change! And to anyone reading this stupid diatribe, we're not ALL like this, I promise!

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author by King Mobpublication date Thu Apr 03, 2003 17:20author address author phone Report this post to the editors

You point out that this piece is supposed to ask the question is this the kind of fuckwit we want in charge, and all the ostrichs go "ssshhh we've got our heads in the sand we're too busy protesting to think".

Barrett will use the IAWM to forward his own ends, and the needs of his party, thats their goal first and formost, they're cyncial opportunist swine, and you're following them.

author by Chris Henry - Socialist Youth Colerainepublication date Thu Apr 03, 2003 20:11author email lavosfanfiction at hotmail dot comauthor address author phone Report this post to the editors

Thing is, I'm not following them. They want to see people swine about on message boards and slag them off, it gives them a chance to bitch that "no-one is fair to them" and such bullshit.

Boyd-Barrett is an opportunist, but he's like a fleeting flame. He thrives on the anti-war movement; once the war disappears Barrett will as well, just like that. Such is the nature of the mass media. As for his voice in the left, I would be surprised if it became any bigger as a result of his recent activities; it could well evaporate also. That's why I'd rather get out there and build a proper movement; it really doesn't matter how much we bitch, if we don't do the groundwork the bitching will be all we have left.

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author by The Holy Muggerpublication date Sat Apr 05, 2003 14:32author address author phone Report this post to the editors

SP vs SWP; CWM vs GP; SP vs SF; ETC. ETC.
BLAH BLAH BLAH. WASTE OF ENERGY...........
THE GOVERNMENT ARE LAUGHING IN OUR FACES.

CAN WE PLEASE ALL WORK TOGETHER AND OPPOSE THE WAR.


author by mariapublication date Tue Sep 23, 2003 03:38author address author phone Report this post to the editors

hello... war , famine, poverty,, injustice ,, and all you do is whine about richard boyd barrett,

you need to direct your anger at the people fucking up our world,

so what is it that richard says that you actually disagree with,, a few quotes please,,

as for the burlington hotel issue, that actually happened on october 10th 2001.. not nov 1..
i know, i got arrested.

i mean i know people , even politically concious people can be pathetic at times,,

but that little essay you attempted to compose was so sad,

i think you need a little counselling to get over your obsessive hatred of richard b, barrett.

try put some effort into something about our corrupt government... redirect your anger.. and stop being a fool

author by Wisdompublication date Sun May 02, 2004 18:03author address author phone Report this post to the editors

1. Get a life
2. Get a job
3. Get some real education
4. Get your nose out of stuff that isnt your business.
5. Get your ass off the street protests - it does nothing to promote half the rubbish you come out with - and antagonises the majority of good people in this country.
6. When you have something really good to say, I may listen to you - but then again, you bore me, so I will just ignore you.
7. Stop hanging around with pikies and hippies - you have marbles in your mouth, and it doesnt go with the image you try to protray.
8. Get a good dose of reality - you bring the likes of the anarchists to march on the streets, cause mayhem and disruption, but will always push the blame for any disturbance to those in authority - what a copout!
9. Do something really positive and effective for once in your life - try and help some charity rather than be a self-promoter...
10. Give your mouth a rest.... it really does need a rest.

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