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category international | irish social forum | opinion/analysis author Tuesday February 24, 2015 16:31author by Nuala Report this post to the editors

It was bad enough in 1966. I'm glad I'll be at a safe distance when The Circus comes to town next year.

Jayzizz I'm glad I got out of Ireland in the 1970s.

Jay, imagine having to live in Ireland when the Circus is coming to town next year.

It was bad enough in 1966.

Well I've made good my escape.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEstWXaT5OY

Aw jayzizz; The Free State Army?

Bury my Heart at Knocknagoshel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYccRhGRiLA

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BURY MY HEART AT KNOCKNAGOSHEL

(begin quote:) / The miserable death of a revolution
from: http://www.theirishstory.com/2011/03/14/march-1923-the-...d_uVM

The bitterness of the Civil War's final few months would live long in the memory of participants. The casualties were considerably higher in the conventional fighting of July and August 1922, but it was the manner of the deaths in March 1923 that was so hard to forgive. The fallen killed not in combat but coldly murdered when helpless and unarmed.

The Irish revolution, born out of violence, but also with great hopes, in 1916, died a miserable death in the back-roads of Kerry in the spring of 1923

The men on the ground, on both sides, were in the final stage of years of exposure to and practice of violence since 1919. Looked at in this light, the atrocities of the Civil War on both sides can largely be explained by a grim cycle of retaliation - the need to hit back for hurt caused to one's own comrades. Many of these men, especially those in the Dublin Guard, had been inured to killing by years of casual and up-close acquaintance. March 1923 demonstrated the depths of cruelty they had reached.

At a higher level, the leadership of both sides failed to avert the descent into internecine slaughter. The Anti-Treaty side made the events of March 1923 possible by prolonging the conflict long after armed resistance to the Irish state made no political, military or tactical sense. On the side of the Pro-Treatyites, the government tolerated elements of their forces murdering prisoners out of hand -a practice they were well aware of. (My fuller thoughts on the character of the Civil War here)

The Irish revolution, born out of violence, but also with great hopes, in 1916, died a miserable death in the back-roads of Kerry in the spring of 1923, like so many revolutions, consuming its own sons.

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Additional comments:

About Ballyseedy Cross, most accounts omit the fact that some of the prisoners were not killed by the initial blast, and the Irish government soldiers then hurled grenades at groaning, half butchered men to 'finish them off.'

Well, they couldn't turn back. No way out.

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No monument to Staters...................................

Only a small indentation in the ground marks the spot at Knocknagoshel where the five Staters, including Paddy Pats, died.

The Irish State cannot honour them with a monument.

The Staters had no martyrs, other than Michael.

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Apart from that, where was the logic in the Anti-treatyite resistance to the Free State government?

Was Liam Lynch insane?

The bottom line was that the Staters could rely on unlimited resupply of arms and ammunition from Churchill, if the need arose.... and that may have been happening during 1922/23 but not recorded in the history books........... so the anti-treatyite war was lost before it began.

So why fight when you can't win, considering all the 'collateral damage' of 1922/23?

Collective Mental Illness?

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When the Circus comes to town next year, consider this.

The Irish proved in their civil war of 1922/23 that Irishmen can oppress other Irishmen ten times worse than the British had done, at least in terms of the twentieth century.

So where's the glory when the Circus comes to town next year, when you remember the Irish government soldiers throwing grenades at half butchered prisoners of war to finish them off at Ballyseedy Cross.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4819v-lH_OQ

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"The volunteers may have to wade through Irish blood, through the blood of some members of this government, in order to get Irish freedom. ..................
.......... And if it is only by civil war that Irish freedom can be obtained, then so be it."
-Eamon de Valera, election speeches 1922, prior to the outbreak of civil war.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEZFBccJXv0

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author by Brainwashedpublication date Wed Feb 25, 2015 19:57author address author phone Report this post to the editors

yeah nuala you're right. We should all be ashamed of our history and culture
and should take steps to stamp it out and discourage any celebration, discussion of or pride in
it and in our language and instead we should all just give in and just embrace the vapid zombie idiot
consumerist american culture our televisions are pumping out 24/7.
Fuck it, we're already more than half way there. And like our zombie american brethren, we too believe any
ould shite they tell us about their wars and surveillance and the demon putin

Listened to your kids talk recently? like OMG!!

We are all kardashians now aren't we Nuala? Hey maybe your ass can break the internet too....
(But your posts certainly won't!)

author by Nualapublication date Mon Mar 09, 2015 14:51author address author phone Report this post to the editors

One of those coffins bore the name Stephen Fuller.

What exactly was inside that coffin bearing Stephen Fuller's name?

That was the culmination of Paddy P's Irish revolution - that coffin with Stephen Fuller's name written on the outside.

And the contents of that coffin summed up the logical outcome of Paddy P's undemocratic revolution of 1916.

Fair justice.

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BURY MY HEART AT KNOCKNAGOSHEL.

BURY MY HEART AT BALLYSEEDY CROSS.

Why did any of that happen?

It was the most stupid and the most futile and the most pointless war in history.

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"...the volunteers may have to wade through Irish blood... through the blood of some members of this government... in order to get Irish freedom................. and if it is only by civil war that we can achieve Irish freedom, then so be it....."

-Eamon de Valera, election speeches 1922, prior to the outbreak of civil war.

And the contents of that coffin bearing the name Stephen Fuller should have been shoved into Eamon de Valera's face on 7 March 1923.

Related Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4819v-lH_OQ
 
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