OscailtTalking about a Lost Revolution: An interview with Brian Hanley and Scott MillarIn the first week of its release, “The Lost Revolution” shot straight into the top 5 non-fiction titles in Ireland. This in itself showed the enduring interest in the Official Republicans/The Workers’ Party. This interest was brought home to me again at the launch of the book, held in the Teachers club on September 12, which attracted an audience of around 300, including current and past members of the Official movement, as well as dozens of interested individuals from across the broad range of Republican and left groups in Ireland.
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"In the 1960s, the Catholic priests, Sweetman and Flannery give the army council the use of their priory."<br />
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Fr. Michael Sweetman SJ was attached to St. Xavier's Jesuit parish church in Gardiner Street; whereas Fr. Austin Flannery OP was attached to St. Saviours Dominican priory in Upper Dorset Street - both in Dublin north central with a host of working class problems. The speaker in the interview seems to have placed the two outspoken priests erroneously into the same order and I don't know which priory.<br />
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I can't believe that Michael Sweetman SJ, whose theology of family morality was orthodox, would have had any sympathy with the IRA. In fact he wrote an open letter, published in some national papers in 1971 or 1972, reminding Dublin Housing Action Committee members, some of whom he knew to be members of Gardiner Place Sinn Fein (later known as SFWP, and later as simply the WP) that he had shared public platforms with them protesting about acute housing problems. Sweetman, on the grounds of humanity, urged SFWP and its associates to desist from violent action in Northern Ireland.<br />
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Austin Flannery was a Latin scholar who translated the documents of Vatican II into an English version that sold well throughout the English-speaking world. He was also editor for many years of a monthly theology magazine called Doctrine and Life and encouraged laymen, and women, to contribute articles. Flannery was much more to the left than Sweetman, and was notable for being a leading member of the Irish anti-apartheid movement as well as supporting several social causes. When internment was declared in 1971 Flannery carried a short editorial condemning it, but as the bombing and shooting campaign of the Provisionals proceeded through the bloody year of 1972 he seems to have decided not to carry any more items critical of the British Government. He kept an intellectual and emotional distance from republicanism in any form. I cannot believe that in the 1960s he knowingly allowed the IRA army council the use of a priory.<br />
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Both Sweetman and Flannery were interesting priests who stuck their necks out on controversial issues affecting the marginalised in Irish society. I consider the assertion that they had dealings with an army council needs clarification and proof.From the bookhttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/94239#comment2601552009-09-28T21:57:05+00:00ScottThese extracts are based on the statements of veterans who were personally at th...These extracts are based on the statements of veterans who were personally at the meetings and in the case of the first extract a British intelligence document. On Sweetman he was involved in the DHAC campign but you maybe correct that it was only the Dominican Friary used for meetings. Flannery may not have known the exact nature of these gatherings<br />
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P 159 1970<br />
At an Army Council meeting held<br />
in Dublin’s Dominican Friary, courtesy of radical priest Fr. Austin<br />
Flannery, McMillen asked for permission to kill three soldiers in<br />
response. The IRA men sat around a long table in a room dominated<br />
by a crucifix and a religious painting. One participant found<br />
the scene surreal:<br />
There we were under a large cross, someone dying on a rock over there,<br />
and then any other business, and Billy McMillen . . . says we want<br />
permission for an operation, we want to execute three soldiers . . . we<br />
had a vote . . . we were like the Last Supper, and the big cross, and we<br />
all voting for the death of three fucking men, it couldn’t happen anywhere<br />
else except Ireland.<br />
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p 193<br />
An emergencey meeting<br />
was organized in Dublin between the leaderships of both organizations.<br />
Goulding, Garland, Ryan and McMillen met with Da´ithı´O´<br />
Conaill and Brian Keenan in the Dominican Friary. During the<br />
meeting Costello arrived uninvited and with different priorities, as<br />
Garland recalls:<br />
We just wanted to get the incidents stopped and [to] get on with our<br />
own thing. Dave O’Connell’s attitude was we don’t want anything to<br />
do with these incidents; we want to get on with the war. Our attitude<br />
was you get on with your war but you have to stop intimidating or<br />
wounding our members but for Costello it didn’t matter that that was<br />
happening, he wanted a joint campaign.Officials Historyhttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/94239#comment2601642009-09-28T23:31:15+00:00cropbeye
Overall the book is very positive.
Shows the hypocracy and lies and manipul...<br />
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Overall the book is very positive.<br />
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Shows the hypocracy and lies and manipulation of the official movement<br />
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and especially the people who went along with it for 20 years after the pretend ceasefire<br />
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of 1972 ie DeRossa Rabbette and Gillmore jnr.thankshttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/94239#comment2601692009-09-29T02:06:39+00:00DonieAlright Scott, your statement that "Flannery may not have known the exact nature...Alright Scott, your statement that "Flannery may not have known the exact nature of these gatherings" clarifies the nature of Austin Flannery's relationship with the Officials. The left-leaning SF individuals he had got to know from the DHAC and other social agitation campaigns of the mid-1960s were allowed use of a room in St. Dominick's priory some time in the early 1970s in the belief that they were discussing political-social agitation business. The quotes you give are funny in a way. They also indicate that Flannery was a political animal while Sweetman was a social humanitarian who believed it was morally imperative to "speak out" on the housing problem which he saw as endangering the integrity of family life. Sweetman believed in Catholic social teaching with a depth that run-of-the-mill clerics avoided. <br />
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In an Irish Times interview some years ago, the mid-80s possibly, Flannery said that during the early 1970s he and a few others met O'Bradaigh and others to try and convince them that a war in Northern Ireland was "an exercise in futility" (I remember that phrase from the interview).<br />
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I met a presbyterian academic in Trinity College, sometime in the 80s, who informed me that he and the eminent archaeologist Liam de Paor (author of a book titled Divided Ulster) met O'Bradaigh in the Ormonde Hotel on the quays around the same time for a similar purpose. To buyhttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/94239#comment2602502009-09-30T12:36:11+00:00JWTWhere is the cheapest shop or online to buy this book?Where is the cheapest shop or online to buy this book?Talentless.http://www.indymedia.ie/article/94239#comment2602522009-09-30T13:25:47+00:00Pete."Shows the hypocracy and lies and manipulation of the official movement."
The P..."Shows the hypocracy and lies and manipulation of the official movement."<br />
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The Provisionals were supposed to be better?<br />
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The Officials stopped murdering their opponents before the Provos stopped murdering theirs..<br />
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The Officials were a bit smarter.<br />
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Officials grew up and stopped their murders.<br />
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So many Irish people died to satisfy the egos of egotistical nerds whom most people would regard as entirely talentless.<br />
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Most people in the Republic,to this very day, note the talents (or lack therof) of the Provos.<br />
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And vote accordingly.<br />
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Talentlessness all roundhttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/94239#comment2602752009-09-30T17:05:44+00:00SéamusThe Officials stopped murdering their opponents before the Provos stopped murder...<em>The Officials stopped murdering their opponents before the Provos stopped murdering theirs..</em><br />
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The Official IRA still exists, and it is still armed. And it was still using violence against its opponents long after the 1970s (in fact, it's still accused of it from time to time - <a href="http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/gaa-player-shot-in-paramilitarystyle-attack-facing-assault-charge-14490651.html#ixzz0RB9embV1" title="http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/gaa-player-shot-in-paramilitarystyle-attack-facing-assault-charge-14490651.html#ixzz0RB9embV1">http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/g...embV1</a> ).<br />
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<em>Most people in the Republic,to this very day, note the talents (or lack therof) of the Provos.<br />
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And vote accordingly.</em><br />
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In fairness to the Provos, they do have 4 TDs, 5 MPs, 27 MLAs and a swathe of councillors around the country. What do the Stickies have (aside from control of the Labour Party)?Righthttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/94239#comment2602812009-09-30T18:02:21+00:00JWTThat's some aside there. The Labour party are riding high in the polls, the stic...That's some aside there. The Labour party are riding high in the polls, the sticks also have a big say in the unions, Shay Cody, Blair Horan, Eamon Devoy, Peter Rigney, Tony Whelan, Fergus Whelan, Padraig Yeates etc, etc won't say there down and out yet!Which bestseller list?http://www.indymedia.ie/article/94239#comment2603602009-10-03T17:33:00+00:00tomHello, <br />
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Which bestseller list are you referring to?<br />
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TomHello, <br />
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Which bestseller list are you referring to?<br />
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TomTomhttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/94239#comment2604052009-10-04T15:11:03+00:00pat cThe books bestsellers list whuch s published in thje Irish Times every Saturday.The books bestsellers list whuch s published in thje Irish Times every Saturday.Comparisons: What about the outcome of the Mahon Tribunal for closure on all fronts?http://www.indymedia.ie/article/94239#comment2606112009-10-08T15:19:24+00:00ShergarThis book is No 13 on the best sellers list and is highly recommended source of ...This book is No 13 on the best sellers list and is highly recommended source of Republican History.<br />
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Ireland is in economic crisis presently and with this goes a social and political link hand and hand. There is no better time to gain a grasp of our history, so that we can cherish the Peace Process, the outcome and the Unity of Ireland and its new diversity.<br />
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In life, people have choices. You can build on a history and create bitterness or you can drive forward with compassion and understanding.<br />
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There are hidden pockets of angry republicanism still but it is up to people to quell their ardour to violence in a time of crisis.<br />
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We all have a duty to 'uphold the Peace'.<br />
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Todays Independent: Letters to the Editor has a letter written by Mairead Hannon, highlighted and an inset of IRA Murals in Anderstown, West Belfast. It is a well written letter and leaves you in no uncertain terms as to how the writer viewed the IRA prior to the Peace Process.<br />
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Ms. Hannon starts by comparing the absurdity of Sinn Fein 'leading the baying lynch mob chasing John O'Donoghue out of office'. What irks is to see the self righteousness of Sinn Fein, 'a party whose military wing cost this state many more millions than any of our democratic politicians....?<br />
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Now there is a thought for us to all to wrestle with and to challenge groups who purport that Ireland's war is not yet over with the British.<br />
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lengthly discussion about the book and history on p.iehttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/94239#comment2606862009-10-10T18:36:51+00:00dunkThe Lost Revolution: A History of the OIRA and Workers Party
http://www.politics...The Lost Revolution: A History of the OIRA and Workers Party<br />
<a href="http://www.politics.ie/history/97814-lost-revolution-history-oira-workers-party.html" title="http://www.politics.ie/history/97814-lost-revolution-history-oira-workers-party.html">http://www.politics.ie/history/97814-lost-revolution-hi....html</a>Shay Codyhttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/94239#comment2607842009-10-13T00:06:00+00:00D O DIs Shay Cody a Stick? I heard he was SWP.Is Shay Cody a Stick? I heard he was SWP.shayhttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/94239#comment2607872009-10-13T07:16:00+00:00GitFormer socialsit labour party but then long term stickFormer socialsit labour party but then long term stickBrian Hanley lecture, UCC, Tuesday 20 Octhttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/94239#comment2610132009-10-19T15:26:57+00:00SarahOn Tuesday 20th October at 7pm, the UCC Historical Society will host a lecture w...On Tuesday 20th October at 7pm, the UCC Historical Society will host a lecture with Brian Hanley entitled, ‘The Lost Revolution – The Official IRA and the Workers Party’. It will be held in Boole 3, University College Cork. Admission is free and all are welcome.The Lost Revolution - Near 90 fm - Podcasthttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/94239#comment2622122009-11-17T22:51:27+00:00b<br />
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