OscailtGardai break up peaceful protest outside Israeli Embassy sponsored film festivalA protest outside the Israeli Embassy sponsored “Israeli Film Days” in Temple Bar turned acrimonious this evening when Gardai broke up a peaceful demonstration by pro-Palestinian activists outside the venue. Citing Section 21 of the Public Order Act, Gardai forcibly removed around sixty activists from the area outside the venue, Filmbase, on Curved Street in Temple Bar, while others were removed from inside the venue.
Breaking news: Italian MP, Sgarbi denounces the Statistical Fraud on COVID-19. The speech of the Member of Parliament Vittorio Sgarbi in the session of the Italian Camera, Meeting no. 331 of Friday 24, April, 2020. Vittorio Sgarbi, denounces the closure of 60% of the businesses for 25,000 COVID-19 Deaths, of which the National Institute of Health says 96.3% died NOT of COVID-19 but of other pathologies. That means only 925 have died of the virus. 24,075 have died of other things.2011-11-25T02:16:13+00:00Indymedia Irelandimc-ireland@lists.indymedia.iehttp://www.indymedia.ie/atomfullposts?story_id=100968http://www.indymedia.ie/graphics/feedlogo.gifMinister Sh1tterhttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2859742011-11-25T02:16:13+00:00Bravo three zeroI wonder why the Gardai acted like that? It's not like the Minister for Justice ...I wonder why the Gardai acted like that? It's not like the Minister for Justice has a soft spot for Israel or anything.IsReal Powerhttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2859842011-11-25T14:15:00+00:00Declan CullenIt comes to show to real power that Israel has when they can get the Irish Gover...It comes to show to real power that Israel has when they can get the Irish Government to order the Gardai to clear the protest.
A wise man once said. Quote: ' If you want to know who has the real power in the world, you just have to look for the people everybody is afraid of '
Israel really fits the bill in that respect.
Labourhttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2859962011-11-25T19:33:57+00:00DesCde. Gilmore & co. are now in power, their reaction to the kidnapping of Irish c...Cde. Gilmore & co. are now in power, their reaction to the kidnapping of Irish citizens in international waters speaks volumes. And his cabinet colleague, Mr. Shatter's views on Palestine are well known, so no surprise at the reaction of the cops.<br>WELL DONEhttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2859982011-11-25T19:48:22+00:00Diarmuid BreatnachWell done the protesters. I think the state in general is pushing into a number ...Well done the protesters. I think the state in general is pushing into a number of kinds of solidarity and resistance and increasing their de facto powers (never mind what's legally justifiable) as they prepare for the resistance so many of us hope will break out in this country. Sorry I wasn't there.
Traitors Free Statehttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2860222011-11-26T20:13:38+00:00An Drighneán DonnIt's always a good thing when the lackey free state shows it true face. No...It's always a good thing when the lackey free state shows it true face. Nothing but an armed gang of imperialist puppets.<br>Lackey free state already pawned to IMF and Fourth Reichhttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2860252011-11-26T21:14:14+00:00An Draigneán DonnThe gardaí are certainly quite good at protecting the interests of their masters...The gardaí are certainly quite good at protecting the interests of their masters - the landowners and their bankers. <br>Inconsistent protesthttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2860262011-11-26T21:20:13+00:00ContrarianFunny how those who whine when the Gardai restrict their right to freedom of exp...<P>Funny how those who whine when the Gardai restrict their right to freedom of expression through protesting see nothing at all inconsistent with theirr own attempts to shut down a perfectly legitimate exercise in freedom of expression on behalf of the Israeli embassy and state. Or is it only the Palestinians who can legitimately have propaganda films - Occupation 101, anyone? </P>
<P>Given the strong and trenchant views held on the Israel/Palestine question, surely the only legitimate response is to allow, or even better, encourage, both sides to put their best foot forward in terms of representing their people's interests and concerns. </P>
<P> </P>'..best foot forward..'?,Con..http://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2860342011-11-27T10:25:03+00:00opus diablosNice and plausible...and as per usual, very reasonable at first glance.Then you ...Nice and plausible...and as per usual, very reasonable at first glance.<br><br><br>Then you remember that the Israelis have cut the land from under the feet of the Palestinians(facts on the stolen, and still being stolen, Palestinian ground).<br><br>Hard to put your best foot forward when you are bound hand and foot and disenfranchised in your own land. <br><br>Or does that constitute a 'whine'?Poor little nuclear Israel has never been known to whine, but if it did, sure as carlsberg, Big Bro Sam would be straight in with his big stick wallet and gratis arsenal.<br><br>Isreal's 'best foot' is squadrons of F-35s armed with phosphorous and nuclear weapons, backed up by its hasbara-pumping mercenary allies in the western media...Palestine's best effort is few home-made rockets, or peace-activists(whiners?)standing in front of bulldozers.<br><br>If you get back, you might let us know what you think of Israel's 'best foot forward' into our passports, or flouting of international law except when it chooses to mask its illegal actions behind its sophistic spin-meisters. <br><br>I will presume you know what a sophistic spin-meister is. Shalom.<br>GREAT PROTEST WRONG TARGEThttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2860352011-11-27T10:37:42+00:00HarvelaIronies of ironies . Israel is just about the only state in the middle east that...Ironies of ironies . Israel is just about the only state in the middle east that is free from apartheid . Copts are being burnt alive in their churches in Egypt , sectarian hate murder and mayhem is rife in Syria , Yemen , Lebanon , Irak etc and these fascist and reactionaries target Israel . The state subscribes to every tenet of the UN founding charter . Freedom from religious and political persecution , freedom from want , the right to education and the right to freely choose ones goals destiny and the pursuit of liberty and happiness .
Where is the apartheid ?. Not in the schools, universities, workplace . Not in the parliament .Not on the buses in the parks or shopping malls .
These idiots should be targeting Syria , Iran , Egypt Lebanon , China , Russia instead .
They need to ask themselves why Israel .
The answer is not very difficult.sectarian hate?http://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2860362011-11-27T11:08:21+00:00opus diablosAnd just what do you call the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from their own ho...And just what do you call the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from their own homeland to create a Jewsish state for a Jewish people..while basing their claims to the land on a book of folk tales?<br><br>And who exactly is 'fascist and reactionary'?The protesters?Do you understand the terms?<br><br>The answer is not very difficult?<br>Not for me its not. Its because I see the parallels between the imperial impositions on this island over the last millennium and the Zionist imperial project in Palestine. <br><br>Plantations/Settlements...to Hell or to Transjordan?Gerrymandered pseudo-democracy resisting the peaceful wishes of the people until it has provoked the reaction it wants to justify its jackboot expansionary insatiable policy of Liebensraum.<br><br>Fascism?Apartheid? Guilty on all counts.<br><br>The state subscribes to every tenet of the UN charter...that would make a great stand-up routine for the state thats flouts more UN resolutions than the rest of the planet together.<br><br>You better consult you hasbara handler again.<br>Gilmore shows his true colorshttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2860382011-11-27T12:58:21+00:00Declan CullenGilmore's attendance at the film launch proves his preference for Israel over th...Gilmore's attendance at the film launch proves his preference for Israel over the people of Ireland. My God! why is every nation in the world so afraid of taking on this school yard bully. Dizzy from Palestinian spinninghttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2860392011-11-27T13:04:16+00:00ContrarianI'll happily return the compliment, Opus. You're no stranger to sophism an...<P>I'll happily return the compliment, Opus. You're no stranger to sophism and spinmeistering yourself. Actually, now that I think of it, it is a stock in trade of many who advocate for the Palestinian cause. Let's educate ourselves with an example or two.</P>
<P><STRONG>Palestinian Sophism No 1: The APARTHEID WALL</STRONG></P>
<P>Now, class, what do Palestinian advocates call the structure erected by Israel that runs (roughly) between Israel and the West Bank? Why, the "apartheid wall", of course. But, of course, its neither a wall nor apartheid related. For well over 90% of its considerable length, its actually a <STRONG><EM>fence</EM></STRONG>, not a <STRONG><EM>wall</EM></STRONG>. But "wall" sounds much more ominous and threatening than "fence." Evokes memories of the Berlin Wall and all that. Makes for better agitprop "street theatre" outside a CRH AGM, too. </P>
<P>And, pay attention now class, what words might we use to discredit those we disagree with politically? Yes, fascist, very good. And Nazism, even better. Racist, excellent. And, best of all, a word no one could support? Anybody? At the back, there, young diablos? Yes, APARTHEID, very good, opus. A great word that. Instantly damns those accused of it. Never mind that they don't actually practise it, lets see the "Zionazi" bastards squirm and deny it. Never mind that Israeli Arabs have full voting rights, have full rights of access to an independent judiciary, have free independent political parties, have members elected to the Knesset, have served in cabinet, have served on the Israeli Supreme Court, can join free independent trade unions, can be openly gay or lesbian, can enjoy a free press and freedom of expression to an extent unparalleled elsewhere in the region. Unlike, say in Gaza, they can go to the beach and actually wear the swimming costumes of their choice. Or just walk the streets free from the unwritten but sternly enforced dictates of a morality police. Never mind all that auld democracy and equal rights, just throw the big "A" word around. Combine it with an evil sounding "wall" and we've got the "APARTHEID WALL." Not the fence which it is for most of its length or the "security barrier" which is its essential purpose. Prior to its construction, Palestinian suicide bombings murdered hundreds of Israeli citizens and maimed thousands more. Many were children, in pizza parlours, on buses (a perennial Palestinian favourite, that, attacks on buses - nice source of undefended civilian victims, I suppose) in shops, innocent civilians going about their business. Remember, these were not attacks on military targets that had unintended civilian victims. Their very purpose was to kill civilians. Since the SECURITY BARRIER was completed, suicide bombings have dwindled to virtually zero. Cause and effect. QED. </P>
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<P><STRONG>Palestinian Sophism No. 2: International Law</STRONG></P>
<P>Easy this. Declare everything Israel does (or does not do) as a breach of international law. Ignore clear breaches of international law by Hamas/Hisbollah/PLO. Aforementioned suicide bombings for instance. Or your <STRONG><EM>"few home-made rockets"</EM></STRONG> as you describe them, opus. Presumably "a few" can be elastically extended to cover many thousands in recent years. And, last time I checked, Grad and Katyusha missiles are not generally home-made either. (BTW as an aside, can any Palestinian supporter explain the logic of firing missiles into communities in Northern Galilee where Israeli Arabs actually form the majority of the population and inevitably form the majority of the victims. Just wondering?)</P>
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<P><STRONG>Palestinian Sophism No 3: "Stolen Land"</STRONG></P>
<P>A clever one this. Ignore that Israel's Jewish community arrived there lawfully in the late 19th and early 20th centuries and <STRONG><EM>bought</EM></STRONG> their land. From Palestinians. Or that Jews have lived in Israel for hundreds even thousands of years. Even today, the vast majority of "settlements" are built on vacant uninhabited Government controlled land. But instead pretend that the rare cases of illegal, unofficial theft of land by extremist settlers (which can be and regularly are overturned by the Israeli courts) is the norm and is the same as the expansion of Jewish neighbourhoods on Jewish land in Jerusalem. </P>
<P>Ignore too the land stolen from Jewish communities in the West Bank and East Jerusalem in the 1948-1967 period. Ignore the slaughter of the entire population of the Gush Etzion Jewish settlement (on puchased not stolen land) during the War of Independence. Ignore the 57 synagogues razed to the ground in the Jewish Quarter of East Jerusalem during the Jordanian/Palestinian occupation. Ignore the tombstones desecrated from the ancient Jewish cemetary on the Mount of Olives and used to pave roads and make latrines during the same occupation. (A trick copied directly from Nazi Germany.) Ignore the laws that made the sale of land to Jews a crime punishable by death. (Would that be apartheid, I wonder?) Ignore the property and land stolen from the Jews who were expelled from or fled Arab countries and Iran in the period after Israeli independence. (The area of land alone stolen from Jews has been estimated as more than four times the entire land area of Israel.) </P>
<P>Ignore all that. Refer constantly to "stolen Palestinian land." Be a bit vague about which land you claim to be stolen and you can even delegitimise the entire Israeli state and claim it has no right to exist. Conflate terms such as Zionism, colonialism, imperialism and throw in a bit of 19th century Euorpean superiority complex and, hey presto, the flood of Jewish refugees fleeing Tsarist and European persecution and pogroms magically turn into opus diablos's *Zionist imperial project in Palestine." </P>
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<P><STRONG>Palestinian Sophism No 4: Biblical basis only for Israel.</STRONG></P>
<P>Another clever one, this. And a favourite of opus diablos which he has trotted out repeatedly on this site. Just pretend that Israel's claim to existence is merely based on biblical premises, or, as opus puts it, they base <STRONG><EM>"their claims to the land on a book of folk tales."</EM></STRONG> Ignore the UN resolution that partitioned Palestine and mandated the establishment of a Jewish state. Ignore the previous League of Nations mandate to establish a Jewish state. </P>
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<P>I could go on. But what's the point. If minds are closed to the extent that a few films, documentaries and a TV sitcom episode must be opposed at all costs, what chance of an open and HONEST debate that accepts there are faults on BOTH sides, grievances and injustices on BOTH sides and legitimate claims on BOTH sides. But I suppose its easier to pretend all the fault is one the Israeli side and that any hint to the contrary must be dismissed as sophism, spin meistery and, that beautifully convenient dismissive word HASBARA. Repeat the cliche, makes argument redundant.<BR></P>Its not so much Iran...http://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2860412011-11-27T13:21:17+00:00opus diablos..as China. Iran is not a challenger to the neo-con Project for a New American C.....as China. <br><br>Iran is not a challenger to the neo-con Project for a New American Century..but it can supply oil(as Africa can supply multiple resources)to China, which is a contender.<br><br>The hit on Libya is a reclaim on Africa, first re-establishing the Med as NATO's puddle, then closing down Gadaffi's projected African currency, and attempts to strengthen African union to resist the imperial predations that prevent it being the richest continent, and keep it as an underdeveloped reservoir for the wests exractive industries.<br>China was screwing the story by putting infrastructure in place and elbowing its way into 'our' backyard.<br><br>Iran, like Iraq and Venezuela is in the sights because of the oil-curse. If only they'd behave like the agreeable Saudis and buy our weapons systems with their oil-wealth all would be rosy.<br>But I think they are all incidental to the main play, the sumo match between the EU/US imperial bloc, and its client elites globally, that have had a 5 century head start in the global Great Game, and new kid on the block and rising industrial powerhouse of China. <br>Not unlike Britannia confronted by lately unified Germany as the ninteenth century closed on the empire the sun never set upon.<br><br>And they seem to have learned nothing from the twentieth century collisions.<br><br>As the Africans say, when the elephants dance, the ants get crushed.<br><br>Apartheidhttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2860432011-11-27T16:25:52+00:00DesThe history of the Zionist regime is one of a long series of crimes that the Hit...The history of the Zionist regime is one of a long series of crimes that the Hitler fascists would be proud of. Deir Yassin, Qana, Sabra Chatila, Jenin amongst others. The only difference between Zionism and the Nazis are that the former have achieved nuclear status. The fact that a ‘socialist’ like Gilmore showed up to this event speaks volumes.<br>Incidentally, 'their' apartheid wall is surprise, surprise, being constructed on stolen land. Nothing new there, of course.<br>Jew-hatred as usual on indymediahttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2860482011-11-27T17:50:45+00:00A FreemanComparing Jews to Nazis is despicable, of course it's a constant of leftist-isla...Comparing Jews to Nazis is despicable, of course it's a constant of leftist-islamist propaganda. In fact it was the muslim mufti of Jerusalem who met several times with with Hitler and senior nazis during WW2 and urged Hitler to speed up the extermination process then underway at Auschwitz-Birkenau, Treblinka etc. despicable?http://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2860492011-11-27T18:54:14+00:00opus diablosTo equate them would be to exagerate, that i'll grant.But to compare them is har...To equate them would be to exagerate, that i'll grant.<br><br>But to compare them is hardly as despicable as to smear all of Islam with the Nazi collusion of the singular muslim Mufti.<br><br><br>Nazism and Zionism have ultra-nationalism, a corporate state structure, uber-militarisation(c'mon, the Nazis weren't even nuked in), deeply propagandised populations motivated by delusions of master race/chosen people tribal delusions of superiority and terror of a manufactured enemy, plus an undefined capacity and appetite for leibensraum by population movement and dispossession.....not altogether incomparable.<br><br><br>Yep, less despicable than your extension of smear from one individual power-monger to a global creed and culture encapsulating many hundreds of millions.<br>Despicable!!!!http://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2860502011-11-27T19:10:38+00:00DesI was comparing the crimes of the Zionists with those of the German fascists.&nb...I was comparing the crimes of the Zionists with those of the German fascists. You know, acquiring land by force, expelling the inhabitants, replacing them with settlers. The crimes I listed all occurred. I am opposed to all forms of racism, including Zionism.<br>Incidentally, Mr. Stern had meetings with the fascists as well. <br>More spin and sophism from opus.http://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2860522011-11-27T21:01:31+00:00ContrarianOK, lets analyse the alleged similarities between Nazism and Zionism.
1. Ultra N...<P>OK, lets analyse the alleged similarities between Nazism and Zionism.</P>
<P><STRONG>1. Ultra Nationalism </STRONG></P>
<P>Zionism hardly comes close. Nationalism in one country (with some disputed territory on the margins) is pretty bog standard nationalism as found in lots of nation states including Ireland, UK, France, Italy, Spain etc etc. The Nazis brought it to a whole new level with their plans for world domination. Despite the wilder delusions of domination of banking sytems held by some (see Declan Cullen above) Zionism just isn't even in the same league. </P>
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<P><STRONG>2. Corporatism</STRONG></P>
<P>The labour Zionism of the 1920's, 30's was somewhat akin to corporatism. However, this was but one strand of Zionist thought and has now largely disappeared from public discourse yet alone practice. The modern Israeli economy and society is based on economic liberalism and free trade, the polar opposite of corporatism.</P>
<P><STRONG>3. Uber-militarism.</STRONG></P>
<P>Israel is about as militarised as it needs to be to defend itself against the many threats to its existence. No more, no less. In 2010 it spent 6.4% of its GDP on its military. This is less in absolute terms than Canada and less in percentage terms than many of its Arab neighbours. To spend any less would be foolhardy. Unfortunately. </P>
<P><STRONG>4. Deeply propagandised populations.</STRONG> </P>
<P>Israel has freedom of speech, a free press and is completely open to circulation of outside media. The contrast with Nazi Germany could hardly be clearer. </P>
<P><STRONG>5. Delusions of master race/chosen people. </STRONG></P>
<P>The chosen people is a religious concept - it is not given actualisation in Israeli civil society. Anyway, doesn't EVERY religion believe it is the only correct one. Including Catholicism and Islam. Actually, especially Catholicism and Islam. Judaism embraces all so-called "races" - European, Semitic, Persian, Black African, Asian. Again the contrast with Nazism is striking. </P>
<P><STRONG>6. Lebensraum.</STRONG></P>
<P>Half of one percent of the middle east vs Most of Europe from the Atlantic to the Urals. Yeah, right. </P>
<P>Other obvious differences are Israel's free elections, independent judiciary, you know, democracy and all that. Not really like Nazi Germany at all.</P>Fuss and Feathers - Motes and Beamshttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2860532011-11-27T21:58:37+00:00Frank AdamWhen are Martin O'Quigley, Raymond Deane and my namesake Proinsias de Rossa ...<p>When are Martin O'Quigley, Raymond Deane and my namesake Proinsias de Rossa compensating the American Indians for being ethnically cleansed - at least partly - by the now 35 million Americans of Irish origin? </p><p>Further can they explain their disproportionate outrage about Israel compared to the most Catholic Majesty of Spain's doings in the Americas? or the not so cold <em>pogrom </em>getting rid of Arab Christians from Iraq, Lebanon and Egypt's Copts?</p><p>How do the whited sepulchres in the column excuse the clerical fascist clauses of the PLO, Hizbollah and Hamas charters which call for killing all Jews and not just "Zionists"? Incidentally the majority of Israeli Jews are descended from families that came from Arab countries in and after 1948 - and they are not wanted back?</p><p>When are they going to notice that since 1948 assorted Arab states have killed a hundred times more Arabs and Iranians than Israel has killed attacking Arabs? </p><p>Why no demos about the Arab Christians being set upon in Egypt? Iraq? and that Syria in less than a year has killed more Syrian Arabs - its own citizens - than Israel did in the Second Intifada which the Palestine Arabs initiated killing civilians mostly? If you can not bother about your co-religionists first then why trust you about anyone else?</p><p> </p><p> </p>don't bother feeding the hasbara trollshttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2860572011-11-28T08:14:12+00:00leftyContrarian and frank are old hand hasbara misinformation water muddiers
here on...Contrarian and frank are old hand hasbara misinformation water muddiers
here on indy. They have a cheek talking about sophistry and propaganda
when this is the kind of organised monkey business the Israeli
propaganda machine gets up to: <br><br><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jan/09/israel-foreign-ministry-media" title="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jan/09/israel-foreign-ministry-media">http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jan/09/isr...media</a><br><br>Israeli propagandists are very organised and disciplined on the web. Notice our own fintan lane in the second link:<br><a href="http://www.giyus.org/2011/06/these-are-the-faces-of-the-new-anti-semitism-please-report.html" title="http://www.giyus.org/2011/06/these-are-the-faces-of-the-new-anti-semitism-please-report.html">http://www.giyus.org/2011/06/these-are-the-faces-of-the....html</a><br><br>These
guys aren't interested in rational discourse. They have an unshakeable
agenda which they pursue single mindedly using the techniques of
hasbara. Have a read of one version of the hasbara handbook created for students on campus. <br><a href="http://www.middle-east-info.org/take/wujshasbara.pdf" title="http://www.middle-east-info.org/take/wujshasbara.pdf">http://www.middle-east-info.org/take/wujshasbara.pdf</a><br><br>Now
you should have a better idea where these guys are coming from and you
can spot some of their little propaganda tricks more easily.<br><br>Obviously
contrarian and frank belong to the indymedia cyberregiment! Just my
own opinion here but candidly I suggest you don't waste your time
responding to these apologists folks. It's never actually a real proper
"frank" discussion and you're only feeding the trolls.<br><br>Shalom Is thathttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2860582011-11-28T08:48:53+00:00Good pointIs that the same Doc Lane that digs out on the auld med cruises for a few n...Is that the same Doc Lane that digs out on the auld med cruises for a few nights free B&B in Ashdod. Just going to book my holidays for next year, anyone know his number I'd love a week in Israel for free?'..spin and sophism from opus..'http://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2860592011-11-28T10:37:36+00:00opus diablosProblem with that is I have no motive for such bullshit, whereas the operations ...Problem with that is I have no motive for such bullshit, whereas the operations and techniques of hasbara, Mossad, denial, obfuscation, smear, distortion and disinformation coupled with terrorism and false-flag black ops and backroom deals go back to and beyond Balfour to the racial Zionism of the nineteenth century origins in European academia in parallel with the pseudo-scientific Aryan theories of those cousins who bought into the racist division of humanity into tribal divisions to facilitate conquest, political, economic and military.<br><br><br>The reason I respond to this hasbara is because not every one has the time to uncover and consider the roots of such false thinking. If its left unanswered the gullible can be misled.<br><br>I put contrarian, frank and 'good point' disruptions down as much to plain ignorance and self-delusion as malice or premeditated agendas(though I accept there are payrolls for such).<br><br>Nor do I think Israel particularly unique in its uber-nationalism, as implied; just particularly blatant, clever, and dangerous given its location. Not unlike the Germans, the Israelis have a talent for efficiency in execution of their blinkered ideals.<br>Nor is this a racial analysis, I use the term culturally. It is racism I counter.<br><br>Nor will accusatory gainsaying change such fundamental facts.<br><br>I'll leave it to any honest reader to revisit my comment and make their own call on my 'spin and sophistry'. And to do the same for the forementioned apologists for the hard-to-miss Israeli actions against Palestine and beyond. <br><br>I do confess however to being gratified that that my comment draws sufficient ire to merit such tendentious responses.<br><br>Excuse the presentation of such awkward facts on the ground.<br>The full swear boxhttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2860602011-11-28T11:46:52+00:00Frank AdamI can only imagine that the opus diabolos office swear box must be giving out mo...<p>I can only imagine that the opus diabolos office swear box must be giving out more charity than any other.</p><p>His - or is it a her ? - technique is to swear when they can not answer the argument. </p><p>To swear when they can not subvert the opposing evidence with analysis; and to play the man instead of the ball.</p><p>Given Irish nationalism and most inter war Fascisms in Europe were based on one of the narrower variants of a religious identity, I can only surmise that the suffused hatred is something to do with seeing a variant of oneself in the mirror braided with the jealousy at what for a small and harassed country is a considerable success at economically, socially and culturally repairing and reviving the epitome of "the wretched of the Earth" or in the Statue of Liberty verse: "tired masses yearning to be free."</p><p>If the Americans, Indians, Irish and Iraelis could all succeed in breaking free of their British and Spanish masters and like the Chinese sweep out imperial interferers to create their states and societies, while the spoiled and subsidised Palestinian Arabs can not, then it means the PLO and its H & H friends are bloody incompetent or total frauds catspawing for somebody.</p><p> </p>Good man, frank...http://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2860612011-11-28T12:29:08+00:00opus diablosThanks for that exemplary piece of hasbara. I'm flattered by your ad hominem att...Thanks for that exemplary piece of hasbara. I'm flattered by your ad hominem attentions, despite the distorted misrepresentations of my comment.<br><br>I suggest anyone the slightest bit interested in the actual issues(as opposed to the personalised diversion frank endeavours to instigate) read my comment and compare it with his(it's?maybe we are dealing with a virus, the response is certainly programatic).<br><br>He is obviously anxious to draw a denial of his blatant lies(lets get some heat going to prevent the light of information penetrating). I cant remember was it Nixon or LBJ when proposing a smear-job on an opponent and upon being told but its not true replied with 'We know that, but lets hear him deny it '. <br><br>I'll leave it to the reader, just to annoy him. Its a mud-stick prevention tip I prepared earlier(while frank was studying his hasbara catechism).<br><br>Shalom frank.<br>Ignorance is not Blisshttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2860642011-11-28T14:02:14+00:00Declan CullanTo A Freeman, and all the other Israel apologists on this post, answer me this: ...To A Freeman, and all the other Israel apologists on this post, answer me this: Is it not against the law in Israel for Jews to marry Non - Jews?
The reason I say this is that by definition this is an Apartheid scenario. Look at the Talmud that views Non - Jews as sub human.
Did not the home of the phrase Apartheid, i.e South Africa, not once have the same view?
I always love the line taken by apologists. They give the impression that if someone even looks crooked at Israel that they deserve to be Cluster Bombed and blanketed with White Phosphorus in order for them to change the opinion, their twisted view of morality is amazing.
Israel's cover is blown, no one believes their victim rhetoric anymore, and this to me is progress.
No more wars for Israel! Incorrecthttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2860662011-11-28T15:10:35+00:00Bad pointNo Declan, it is not illegal in Israel for Jews to marry non Jews, unlike s...<P>No Declan, it is not illegal in Israel for Jews to marry non Jews, unlike some of the neighbouring Islamic states. </P>
<P>Some branches of judaism may not approve or conduct the service.</P>
<P>Freedom of religion and the right to be gay are also allowed there.</P>Review Your Friends and You Will See Who You Arehttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2860682011-11-28T15:27:28+00:00Frank AdamOr as one of The Guardian's string of Arab polo ponies once put it, "Show me who...<p>Or as one of The Guardian's string of Arab polo ponies once put it, "Show me whom you hate, and I will show you whom you need." </p><p>Try each of your accusations of Israel on your each of your Arab idols and you will soon see who is the pre-Enlightenment clerical fascist starting with those Arab states that impose death penalties for selling land to a Jew - if you get into court in the first place. </p><p>Then there is the Mahmoud Abbas, PA president, who holds that there will be not a single Jew in any Palestine [Arab] state that comes about. </p><p>Saudi does not even allow a Jew to visit - unless it happened to be "Cousin Henry" (Kissinger) trying to defuse the fact that the Arabs were losing the Yom Kippur War - that as usual, they had opened. When he called in 1973ff the late Kink Feisal opened with, "Shall we settle this like human beings?" </p><p>To which HK replied, "Some of my best friends are human beings." qv the Cruiser's excellent book, "The Siege."</p><p>For gender equality: Moslem men may marry a <em>kaffir</em> woman but it is forbidden on pain of honour killing for a <em>Moslima</em> to marry a<em> kaffir</em>.</p><p>For racism, the very Arabic word for an African is, "slave" - <em>ebd</em>. Mind you, Christian Europe played the same trick with Slav.</p><p>Your tragedy is that you have, "despaired of The Republic" in Livy's record of senatorial thanks. You have lost the argument of how to progress Left arguments in a capitalist economy that has bought off the edge of the poorer half's outrage with lots of modern toys such as washing machines, cars and other domestic and industrial electrical menials and clowns. Accordingly you have spent the last forty years thinking you can smash the system by Third World revolt. Well the empires went two generations ago and you are padding through slough of fallacy. All the competent Third World - BRIC's and CIVET's - are following the West, and the Arab Spring looks as if it is voting for Whiggish to pre- Thatcher traditional Tory mix of the religion and patriotism (Anglican establishment in politics or the flip: the Tory party at prayer when the Labour Party was more Methodist than Marxist). The opening generations of Irish independence were religious rural conservatism too, but whatever their parties, they were not Left, not Progress, and not Marxist and nor are you.</p>thanks again, frank [1]http://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2860702011-11-28T18:20:30+00:00opus diablosThough I doubt that blizzard of noise was directed at me. But it does seem to co...Though I doubt that blizzard of noise was directed at me. <br><br>But it does seem to confirm that you are a disruptive program on reflex mode for the slightest criticism of the only nuclear state in the region undefined by borders and serving the interests of the colonial cartel that established it to mind 'our oil' at the expense of the Palestinians it continues to dispossess. <br><br>Maybe cut down on the poteen, it might up your coherence.<br>@leftyhttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2860742011-11-28T22:41:14+00:00Contrarian"Contrarian and frank are old hand hasbara misinformation water muddiers here on...<P><STRONG><EM>"Contrarian and frank are old hand hasbara misinformation water muddiers here on indy."</EM></STRONG></P>
<P>Can you point out one factually incorrect piece of misinformation i have ever posted on this site? Just one. Ever? </P>
<P>That's "factually incorrect" as in <U>demonstrably false</U> rather than "opinions I happen to disagree with." </P>
<P>And is throwing the word <STRONG><EM>Hasbara</EM></STRONG> into an argument supposed to be some sort of trump card than automatically invalidates any pro-Israeli argument whatsoever? Are Israelis the only people on Earth that aren't allowed put their views forward in public debate. Or, shock, horror, engage in news management. Like no other nation does that. Evil Zionazis. Sure, you couldn't be up to them. Mighty convenient that. After all, what was the flotilla but an exercise in propaganda and news management more than an aid mission. Except when the pro-Palestinians do it its called "bring the world’s attention to what is happening in Gaza" (Quote from irishshiptogaza.org)</P>
<P>Sorry to muddy your clear waters with facts but the Israel/Palestinian question is slightly more complicated than the simplistic Israelis bad, Palestinians good, caricature it gets reduced to on indymedia and even in most of the Irish MSM. Try nuance. Try faults and genuine grievances on both sides. Above all, try and figure out what a solution might look like. </P>the solution Israel are pushing for in Iran....http://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2860832011-11-29T09:16:32+00:00fred<span style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;">"Above all, try and figure out what a solution might look like. "<br><br></span>Ok. Done that:<span style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;"><span style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-weight: bold;"><br><br><br></span></span></span><span style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;">"Above all, try and figure out what a solution might look like. "<br><br></span>Ok. Done that:<span style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;"><span style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-weight: bold;"><br><br><br></span></span></span>the solution Israel are pushing for in gaza....http://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2860852011-11-29T10:58:12+00:00fred<span style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;">"Above all, try and figure out what a solution might look like. "<br></span><span style="font-weight: bold;"></span><br>and also:<span style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;"><br><br><br></span><span style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;">"Above all, try and figure out what a solution might look like. "<br></span><span style="font-weight: bold;"></span><br>and also:<span style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;"><br><br><br></span>Try the Other Endhttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2860872011-11-29T12:13:32+00:00Frank AdamAs you spend so much time telling Israel what to do, try checking out what the P...<p>As you spend so much time telling Israel what to do, try checking out what the Palestine Arabs and their friends can do to make the peace you pretend to want for an Arab Palestine State, especially as the nuclear ambitions of Ahmadinajad have definitely shouted an intention to obliterate Israel and your N-photo proves the earlier point that you - and all - judge others by themselves. </p><p>Here is a step by step to putting Israel at ease that its Arab opposite numbers and yourselves, are genuinely for a two state solution, and if you can only dismiss these with "hasbara" you are not peace makers, not dealing with reality, and only after some displacement activity for your own psyches because Eire is too quiet. The basic premise since the Churchilll White Paper in 1921 is that the price of an Arab state in Palestine is peace for Israel as much as peace for Israel is an Arab state of Palestine alongside and ending the conflict comes before any amendments to the 49 -67 border given the Oslo experience.</p><p>Are the Arab states and PLO, Hamas and Hizbollah willing to end the conflict at all?</p><p>Are the Arab states and PLO, Hamas and Hizbollah willing to abrogate the anti-Jewish as well as the anti-Israel clauses of their charters?</p><p>Are the Arab states and PLO, Hamas and Hizbollah willing to compensate the Jewish refugees from Arab countries & Iran?</p><p>Are the Arab states and PLO, Hamas and Hizbollah willing to call off the harassment of Israel in international forums starting with the UN?</p><p>Are the Arab states and PLO, Hamas and Hizbollah willing to admit they junked UN 181 in 1947 and set out their Khartoum noes in 1967?</p><p>Are the Arab states and PLO, Hamas and Hizbollah willing to admit to the consequences of their the Khartoum noes & rejecting UN181 ?</p><p>Are the Arab states and PLO, Hamas and Hizbollah willing to recognise Israel as the nation state of the Jewish people - even as Ireland is the nation state of the Irish people despite resident minorities?</p><p>Are the Arab states and PLO, Hamas and Hizbollah willing to settle with citizenship their refugees of 1948 where they currently reside?</p><p>Are the Arab states and PLO, Hamas and Hizbollah willing to clarify whether the "normal relations" offered in the API (Arab/Saudi Peace Initiative) are normal as in Canada-USA, or France-Russia; or normal as in Syria -Lebanon or Iran-Iraq?</p><p> </p><p> </p>the other end, frank?http://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2860882011-11-29T12:34:26+00:00opus diablosLets just take your first pointAre the Arab states......willing to end the confl...Lets just take your first point<br><br>Are the Arab states......willing to end the conflict at all?<br><br><br>The conflict arises from the robbery of Palestinian land and property.<br><br><br>Is Israel willing to stop, reverse, and compensate for its ongoing displacement and settlement program?<br><br>No, Israel is bent on accelerating and escalating the ethnic cleansing while talking peace from the other side of its mouth.<br><br>Answer that one point please, then maybe I might even read the rest of your 'other end'. <br><br>If Israel is escalating the conflict, what part has an Palestinian to play in ending it??<br><br>RSVP.<br>Keep to the pointhttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2860892011-11-29T13:08:16+00:00Frank AdamThe question is whether the Arabs of all stripes wish to end the conflict? ...<p>The question is whether the Arabs of all stripes wish to end the conflict? </p><p>The causes of the conflict are another point to be taken up in due course.</p><p>So leave your myths on the sideboard: unlike the Irish in the USA and Australia etc, the Jews of Palestine bought every piece of land they held prior to 15 May 1948 when the Arab armies invaded with the public aim of ethnically cleansing the Jews of Israel. </p><p>The laws and customs of war are slightly different to those of peace which can not apply till established, whence this first and overarching question, " Are the Arab parties willing to end the conflict?"</p>No frank, you keep to at least...http://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2860902011-11-29T13:31:30+00:00opus diablos..one of your own chosen points. Which is precisely what I, intentionally, am do.....one of your own chosen points. Which is precisely what I, intentionally, am doing.<br><br>Your point is to ask about the willingness of one side to seek to end the conflict. <br><br>You ignore, and wish to avoid, evade and supress the point that the other(your chosen)side is escalating the conflict while cynically and hypocritically making demands for gestures from the injured and still under assault party.<br><br>You stick to your own chosen point. <br><br>And while I'm bothering to pretend you even have any intention of conducting an honest discussion, here is a little more of the hidden agenda your aggressors are pushing. Anyone who knows the basic part partition, and promoted sectarianisms, played, from Pakistan to Ulster, will recognise the plot displayed in this breakdown.<br><br><a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=27786" title="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=27786">http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=27786</a><br>whats really going onhttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2860912011-11-29T15:07:46+00:00fredfrankall your nit picking hasbara points are irrelevantIts clear to anyone looki...frank<br><br>all your nit picking hasbara points are irrelevant<br><br>Its clear to anyone looking at the systematic actions of Israel over the past number of years that Israel lie about wanting peace and a 2 state solution.<br><br>They are just obfuscating and buying time whilst their settlement program and strongarm military tactics and border and sea blockades make any kind of normal life for the palestinians impossible and will eventually displace them so the Israelis can steal their land and water supplies and other natural resources for themselves.<br><br><br><br><br>Look in the Glass Darklyhttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2861072011-11-30T11:54:09+00:00Frank AdamOpus diabolos has summed himself up so well ! Just look at his original re...<p>Opus diabolos has summed himself up so well ! Just look at his original response !</p><p>And Fred - on partition anniversary day of all days still can not admit his Arab Dulcineas del Tobosa have faults.</p><p>There will be no peace till BOTH sides face their past mistakes, then put their future first.</p><p>As Golda Meir put it,"Peace will come when the Arabs love their children more than they hate us."</p>thanks again, frank [2]http://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2861082011-11-30T12:21:23+00:00opus diablosJust went back to refresh and remind meself. But you've wandered off your own po...Just went back to refresh and remind meself. <br><br>But you've wandered off your own point, yet again. Or is that your currrent point?More evasion of the issues you yourself raise, in the hope of spreading confusion?<br><br>And thats a closer one to check back on.<br><br>But to save the bother. <br>When will Israel indicate its willingness to arrest the illegal settlements, ethnic cleansing and state terror that are the cause of this whole prolonged and escalating conflict?<br><br>Then maybe their claims of any slight interest in a peaceful co-existence, rather than a hegemonic domination, might hold a thimble of credibility.<br><br>Until then Irish,and increasingly others, will continue to see through perfidious Israeli double-thinking newspeak.<br><br>Shalom, and teshuvah.<br>Overegging the pudding again?http://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2861292011-11-30T21:58:47+00:00Frank AdamThe very idea of Israel being hegemonic in the Middle East is so ridiculous ...<p>The very idea of Israel being hegemonic in the Middle East is so ridiculous it exposes her accusers of pursuing private demons rather than analysis of a real problem. </p><p>Just one of your fake complaints, a year back Israel had a ten month moratorium on building in Nablus and Hebron Districts and the PA rather than take up the <em>bona fide</em> found excuses not to talk till the moratorium ran out - then kicked up a fuss of wounded respect. </p><p>Any fool can start a war. Both sides have to agree to stop it. </p><p>The Arab parties to this dispute do not wish to make peace at all, and write as much in the PLO, Hamas and Hizbollah Charters and skate over that most Israelis are now in families that fled the Moslem World. </p><p>Accordingly Israel - like those <em>echt</em> kosher leftists, the Vietnamese - has learnt the only way to survive and pressure their opponents is to build while fighting them off, even as the Viets talked and fought - if you are old enough to remember.</p><p>I am old enough to remember as a witness the decade and more before 1967 when the Arabs could have made a peace on the 1949 "Green Line" but rather refused to even say "Israel". Further I remember that in the week after the '67 war Israel offered all concerned to return to the 1949 border for a peace treaty to turn it into a frontier; but he Arab governments did not even reply thanks, but no thanks.</p><p>You will have no satisfaction till you stop pandering to Arab exceptionalism and drop the gratuitous insults which only obscure the real issues of: stopping the conflict; sorting out compensations to which individuals on both sides are entitled; and get on with the rest of our lives - if you have one.</p>sorry frankhttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2861322011-11-30T22:47:16+00:00opus diablosBut stop blowing smoke.All your ad hominems do not mask the fact on the ground t...But stop blowing smoke.<br><br>All your ad hominems do not mask the fact on the ground that you are refusing to face the point you yourself raised.<br><br>That Israel cannot demand to negotiate on its terms, to whom it selects to represent the Palestinian case, while it continues to instigate conflict by settlements on militarily stolen and occupied lands.<br><br>That is equiivalent to your mugger asking you to be reasonable and stop resisting his assaults.<br><br>serious chutzpah.<br>Check 1947, 1936 and even 1967http://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2861412011-12-01T10:30:35+00:00Frank AdamWell said. It was the Arab parties who threw the riots alias pogroms in 1920- 21...<p>Well said. It was the Arab parties who threw the riots alias pogroms in 1920- 21, in 1929 and who started a full fledged rebellion in 1936 - 38 that wasted nearly a year's revenue of reserves that could have gone into schools, health & infrastructure.</p><p>Most pertinent it was the Arab parties of all ranks and stripes who opened the conflict by rejecting UN181 in Nov 1947 and then sending in regular armies in May1948. Just check those newspaper archives and see for yourself who was promising massacre, ethnic cleansing and triumphalist supremacism. Ditto any number of other Arab speeches documents and behaviour since, and the Iranian ayatollahs have joined in gratuitously out of pure sectarianism but are well on the way to creating a deserved reaction in the West even as the Arabs already have. The whole of Arab Moslem history is one long imperialist swipe and it will come a cropper like the others.</p><p>Everybody gets trade unions and Jews they deserve and I fail to see why Arabs should be an exception. Come alternatives to Arab oil all this will be cut to size and the pompous self righteousness with it.</p>blame it on the victimhttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2861452011-12-01T11:51:11+00:00fred"Just one of your fake complaints, a year back Israel had a ten m...<span style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;">"Just one of your fake complaints, a year back Israel had a ten month
moratorium on building in Nablus and Hebron Districts and the PA rather
than take up the </span><em>bona fide</em><span style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;"> found excuses not to talk till the moratorium ran out - then kicked up a fuss of wounded respect. "</span><br><br>yeah, Israel stopped stealing palestinian land for a while then when they decide to start up the stealing again ten months later they blame it on the victim.<br><br>Thats just ridiculous.<br><br>Frank, I'd have that nasty dose of cognitive dissonance seen to if I were you! <br><br>It's quite contagious. You can easily catch it from swallowing mark regevs disgusting emissions<br>See a trick cyclist !http://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2861552011-12-01T14:33:25+00:00Frank AdamTypical blinkered and unread; opinion as distinct from evidence.Try close&...<p>Typical blinkered and unread; opinion as distinct from evidence.</p><p>Try close reading the original PLO, HAMAS and Hizbollah Charters and the UN Charter, especially Arts 29 and 30 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (Art 17 European Declaration ditto).</p><p>If you must kick cats and swear - politically of course - to satisfy your egos, keep it to the locals instead of complicating life for far away peoples of whom you know exceedingly little. Start by respecting self-determination and skirting the Arab arrogance to define others in defiance of their own self determination.</p><p> What happens to Jews and gypsies this decade or generation, on the last two centuries' precedents happens to everybody else a decade or generation later. Do not complain if you do not enjoy the Moslem take over of Europe.</p>'..Arab arrogance..', franky boy??http://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2861562011-12-01T15:45:09+00:00opus diablosGotcha.That is one racist statement. You still refuse to address the very issue ...Gotcha.<br>That is one racist statement. <br><br>You still refuse to address the very issue you raised, but you did just blow your legalistic and jesuitical cover. <br><br>As for your ignorant smearing of Mulims, I'll leave you with the predations of our local christians.<br><br> Shalom.<br>hasbara hypocriteshttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2861572011-12-01T16:10:46+00:00leftyfrank adams said: "Do not complain if you do not enjoy the Moslem take over of E...<span style="font-weight: bold;">frank adams said:</span> <span style="font-style: italic;">"Do not complain if you do not enjoy the Moslem take over of Europe."<br><br><span style="font-weight: bold;">Now change two words:</span> "Do not complain if you do not enjoy the Jewish bankers take over of Europe."<br><br><span style="font-weight: bold;">or alternatively:</span><span style="font-style: italic;"> </span>"Do not complain if you do not enjoy the zionist take over of Palestine."</span><br><br>then sit back and watch frank and his minions have a shite attack squealing about conspiracy theory racism and anti semitism.<br><br><span style="font-style: italic;"><br><br><br></span>You have not done your homework!http://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2861732011-12-02T20:42:43+00:00Frank AdamThe Arabs own documents smear them more effectively than anybody else can and ob...<p>The Arabs own documents smear them more effectively than anybody else can </p><p>and obviously you have not read them.</p>'..the Arabs own documents..'http://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2861762011-12-03T11:35:15+00:00opus diablosSooo.Every Arab is reponsible for any Arab's document?Racist smear, alright. But...Sooo.<br><br>Every Arab is reponsible for any Arab's document?<br><br>Racist smear, alright. <br><br>But not from an Arab, franky, from your propagandist bigot's keyboard, franky boy.<br><br>Shalom. Teshuvah.<br>Try some UN and other facts!http://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2861772011-12-03T12:01:33+00:00Frannk AdamPlease
take the following quiz on topics regarding Palestinian quality of life,...<p><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>Please
take the following quiz on topics regarding Palestinian quality of life,
demography and history, and test your knowledge with the answers provided
below.</span><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><b><u><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;'>Questions</span></u></b><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><b><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;'>1.)
Rank these countries according to life expectancy (longest
first).</span></b></p><p><b><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;'></span></b><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;'>Brazil,
Turkey, Egypt, Gaza, Russia, & world average</span><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><b><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;'>2.)
Rank these conflicts (since 1950) in terms of number of
casualties.</span></b></p><p><b><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;'></span></b><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;'>Burma/Myanmar<b>;</b>
Russia-Chechnya<b>;</b> Arab-Israeli conflict<b>;</b> Zimbabwe civil
disorders<b>;</b> Iranian Revolution<b>;</b> Repression of Kurds
(Turkey,Iraq,Iran)<b>;</b> Sri Lanka and Sudan civil wars </span><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><b><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;'>3.)
How many Palestinians were treated in Israeli hospitals in 2010?</span></b><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;'>None<b>;</b>
180<b>;</b> 1,800<b>;</b> 18,000<b>;</b> or 180,000</span><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><b><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;'>4.)
Which of the following organs of Palestinian society are under “occupying”
Israeli control?</span></b><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;'>Education
system; The Judiciary; The Press, Taxation; or None of the above</span><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><b><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;'>5.)
Rank these countries by rate of economic growth (GDP, 2009
figures)</span></b><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;'>Australia,
Germany, Israel, Egypt, Palestinian Territories, Hong Kong, </span><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>and</span><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;'>
Brazil </span><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><b><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;'>6.)
The UN Human Rights Council has passed more resolutions against Israel over the
Palestine question than against all other nations combined.</span></b><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><b><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;'>Which
of these countries are <u>not</u> currently serving on the
UNHRC?</span></b><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>Sweden,
Russia, Pakistan, Canada, Cuba, Saudi Arabia, China</span><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><b><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;'>7.)
How much of Gaza’s electricity is supplied by Israel?</span></b><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;'>None,
10%, 33%, 50%, </span><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>or</span><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;'>
70%</span><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><b><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;'>8.)
Rank these countries in order of family home ownership.</span></b><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;'>United
States, Italy, Palestinian territories, France, Germany, and
Switzerland</span><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><b><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;'>9.)
Since Arafat launched the 2nd Intifada War against Israel, the last decade has
been by far the most costly in Palestinian lives in the history of
Israel-Palestinian relations. How many Palestinians have died in conflict with
Israel since 2000?</span></b><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;'>Less
than 10,000<b>;</b> 10,000 – 20,000<b>;</b> 20,000 – 30,000<b>;</b> 30,000 –
40,000<b>; </b></span><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>or</span><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;'>
more than 40,000 </span><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><b><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;'>10.)
In the Second Intifada War against Israel, how many Palestinians were killed by
other Palestinians (the “Intra-fada”)?</span></b><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;'>70;
170; 370; or 570</span><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><b><u><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;'>ANSWERS</span></u></b><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><b><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;'>1.)
Rank these countries according to life expectancy (longest
first)</span></b><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;'>i)
<b>Gaza Strip - 73.4 years</b></span><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>ii)
Egypt - 72 </span><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>iii) Brazil
- 72 </span><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>iv) Turkey
- 72 </span><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>v)
World average - 66.6 </span><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>vi) Russia
- 66</span><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>So
you can expect to enjoy an extra 16 months if you were born on the Gazan side of
the Rafa Crossing than if you were born on the Egyptian side.</span><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>The
average West bank Palestinian does better still, at 74.5, which may well be
explained in part by Question 3.</span><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>And
given that the average Gazan lives longer than the average Turk, perhaps those
‘humanitarian’ flotillas should be heading in the opposite
direction.</span><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><b><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;'>2.)
Rank these conflicts (since 1950) in terms of number of
casualties.</span></b><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>i)
Sudan civil wars - 1.9 million casualties </span><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>ii)
Repression of Kurds - 300,000 </span></p><p><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>iii)
Russia–Chechnya - 140,000 </span><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>iv)
Burma/Myanmar - 130,000</span><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>v)
Sri Lanka - 80,000 </span><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>vi)
Iranian Revolution - 80,000 </span><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>vii)
Zimbabwe - 60,000</span><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><b><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;'>viii)
Arab-Israeli conflict 52,000</span></b><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>In
fact the Arab-Israeli conflict comes just 49th in the list of the worst
conflicts of the last sixty years, many of which are, shamefully, completely
forgotten or ignored by the western press.</span><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><b><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;'>3.)
How many Palestinians were treated in Israeli hospitals in 2010?</span></b><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>i)
None </span><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>ii)
180 </span><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>iii)
1,800 </span><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>iv)
18,000 </span><b><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;'>v) 180,000</span></b><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>These
included many thousands of patients from Gaza, despite its government’s constant
attacks on Israeli citizens.</span><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>Israeli
hospitals would be able to treat many more Palestinians if security was not an
issue. Before the 2000<em> Intifada</em> was declared, any Palestinian could
simply arrive at an Israeli hospital and be treated.</span><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><b><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;'>4.)
Which of the following organs of Palestinian society are under “occupying”
Israeli control?</span></b><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>i)
Education system </span><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>ii)
The judiciary </span><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>ii)
The press </span><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>iv)
Taxation </span><b><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;'>v) None
of the above</span></b><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'> Compare
this to, say, the complete lack of autonomy of the Kurds and other minorities in
Turkey.</span><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><b><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;'>5.)
Rank these countries by rate of economic growth (GDP, 2009
figures)</span></b><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;'>i)
<b>Palestinian Territories (8%) </b></span><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>ii)
Brazil (7.5%) </span><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>iii)
Hong Kong (6.8%) </span><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>iv)
Egypt (5.1%)</span><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>v)
Israel (4.6%) </span><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>vi)
Germany (3.5%) </span><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>vii)
Australia (2.7%)</span><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>After
the economic depression which accompanied Arafat’s Intifada War on Israel, and
after the building of the Security Fence to protect Israelis from terrorist
aggression and restore security to the West Bank, things are definitely looking
brighter for the Palestinian economy.</span><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><b><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;'>6.)
The UN Human Rights Council (UNHRC) has passed more resolutions against Israel
over the Palestine question than against all other nations
combined.</span></b><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><b><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;'>Which
of these countries are not currently serving on the
UNHRC?</span></b><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><b><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;'>Sweden
and Canada are not on the UNHRC, whilst China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Cuba and
Pakistan are.</span></b><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><b><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;'>7.)
How much of Gaza’s electricity is supplied by Israel?</span></b><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>i)
none </span><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>ii)
10% </span><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>iii)
33% </span><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>iv)
50% </span><b><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;'>v)
70%</span></b><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>Israel
supplies over 70%, Egypt a ‘generous’ 5%, with the remaining 25% coming from the
Strip’s lone plant.</span><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><b><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;'>8.)
Rank these countries in order of family home ownership.</span></b><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><b><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;'>i)
Palestinian territories 84% </span></b><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>ii)
Italy 78% </span><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>iii)
United States 65% </span><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>iv)
Sweden 60%</span><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>v)
France 54% </span><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>vi)
Germany 43%</span></p>
<p><b><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;'>9.)
Since Arafat launched his Intifada War against Israelis, the last decade has
been by far the most costly in Palestinian lives in the history of
Israel-Palestinian relations. </span></b><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><b><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;'>How
many Palestinians have died in conflict with Israel since 2000?</span></b><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><b><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;'>i)
Less than 10,000 </span></b><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;'>(Around
6,000, combatants and non-combatants.)</span><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;'>ii)
10,000 – 20,000 </span><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;'>iii)
20,000 – 30,000 </span><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;'>iv)
30,000 - 40,000 </span><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;'>v)
More than 40,000 </span><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>To
put this in perspective: 20,000 are feared dead in one month in 2009 of the Sri
Lanka conflict</span><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>Between
50,000 and 70,000 have died in the same decade in Chechnya, whilst 35,000 people
have died inMexico’s drugs wars since 2005.</span><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><b><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;'>10.)
In the Second Intifada War against Israel, how many Palestinians were killed by
other Palestinians (the “Intra-fada”)?</span></b><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>i)
None </span><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>ii)
70 </span><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>iii)
170 </span><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>iv)
370 </span><b><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;'>v)
570</span></b><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;'></span><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span> </p>
<p><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>Or,
more precisely, 557 according to B’Tselem. For some reason, few, if any,
international protests were heard on such </span><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;'>Palestinian-on-Palestinian</span><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>
killings.</span><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><b><u><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;'>YOUR SCORE</span></u></b><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>8-10
Well-informed. You are probably a regular visitor to CiF Watch.</span><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>4-7
You often uncritically accept the mainstream media's coverage of the
Israeli-Palestinian Conflict.</span><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><span style='color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'>0-3
You likely read the Guardian as a serious newspaper.</span><span style='color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span></p>
<p><span style='color: black; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;'></span> </p>keep shifting the goalposts, frankyhttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2861792011-12-03T13:41:11+00:00opus diabloshere's an update on the hasbara machine's latest morphological gymnacrobatics in...here's an update on the hasbara machine's latest morphological gymnacrobatics into Ministry of Truthspeak.<br><br><a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=27973" title="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=27973">http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=27973</a><br><br>Sorry to derail your train set.<br>Don't disturb me with the truthhttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2861892011-12-03T22:59:19+00:00Frank AdamYou seem to have proven your own points.You seem to have proven your own points.perhaps, frankhttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2861912011-12-04T11:15:29+00:00opus diablosBut if so it was as a side effect of disproving the point(and just the one I foc...But if so it was as a side effect of disproving the point(and just the one I focused on)<span style="font-style: italic;">you</span> raised but refused to stick to.<br><br>Just to remind you, it was that Israel has no credibility for its 'peace' pretences so long as it continues its encroachments and ethnic cleansing of Palestinian land and refuses to define its borders.<br><br>Perhaps you would tell us whethert<span style="font-style: italic;"> that</span> point is proven to your satisfaction.<br><br>To most of us it seems to seem self-evident by definition, and not requiring any formal proof.<br>Some Israelis don't want to be the hand-grenade that blows itself up for the sake of World War IIIhttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2861942011-12-04T12:48:21+00:00W. Finnerty"This past week, the latest developments from Israel include the formation of wh..."This past week, the latest developments from Israel include the formation of what has been called a 'strategic alliance' against war, comprising the recent former heads of all its security services: former Mossad ('CIA') head Meir Dagan, former Shin Bet ('FBI') head Yuval Diskin, and former Israeli Defence Force Chief of Staff ('Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff') Gabi Ashkenazi."<BR> <BR>"Among other effective measures, Dagan has appeared twice on nationwide Israeli television over the past week, with last-minute, no-nonsense appeals against a war which in reality would be the end of Israel — along with billions of human beings and perhaps even the human species itself."<BR> <BR>The above excerpts have been copied from: <a href="http://www.larouchepac.com/node/20619" title="http://www.larouchepac.com/node/20619">http://www.larouchepac.com/node/20619</a>@ Frank Adamshttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2861972011-12-04T14:22:31+00:00ContrarianBrilliant post, Frank. Kudos. Surely a contender for post of the yea...<P>Brilliant post, Frank. Kudos. Surely a contender for post of the year. A clear fact-based analysis that sees myths exploding faster than a convention of suicide bombers wet-dreaming about their 72 virgins. It won't be popular around here, though. </P>
<P>The following responses can be expected:</P>
<P>A) Ignore it and it will go away. Your post is entirely factual and can't be contradicted so the optimum pro-Palestinian, anti-Israel strategy is to simply ignore it. Most posters will do this.</P>
<P>B) Rapid change of subject. Throw in the usual few anti-Israel buzzwords, (eg ethnic cleansing, encroachment, land stealing hasbara) but don't bother to be specific about your allegations. Opus diablos's posts a good example of this strategy.</P>
<P>C) Dismissal of your post as hasbara. Again no argument is needed, because "Hasbara" is a magic word. Just invoking it instantly trumps any pro-Israel argument and renders further debate unnecessary.</P>
<P>D) A rant. Venting of spleen, claiming MOPE (most oppressed people ever) status for Palestinians and invoking a range of real and imaginary grievances at the hands of Israel. Usually comes complete with a range of OTT self-proving epithets such as ZioFascist, ZioNazi, genocide, holocaust etc. </P>
<P> </P>
<P>The following types of response are <STRONG><EM>not</EM></STRONG> to be expected:</P>
<P>1) A detailed rebuttal of your post, contextualising if appropriate and putting forward reasoned fact-based counter argument.</P>
<P>2) An acceptance of the correctness of your post but pointing out that there are faults on both sides and accepting thet both Palestinians and Israelis need to change their behaviour.</P>ahem, contra..http://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2861982011-12-04T14:44:11+00:00opus diablosBut when you climb down off Frank's face and adjust yourself you might stop asso...But when you climb down off Frank's face and adjust yourself you might stop associating me with your projected shite that I never delivered.<br>Clever, but evident to anyone who bothers to look. Smear dont stick while the counter-evidence remains(you're not in one of your tame tabloids).<br><br>You might also note(the evidence is above) that what I actually did was insist frank address the point HE raised(in one of his flights of decoy ducks)whereby he calls for Arabs and Palestinians to '..end the conflict'(sic)which Israel continues to ESCALATE.<br><br>If thats insulting, I apologise to your delicate sensitivities for insisting on an outbreak of honesty and consistency.<br><br>Meantime I wish you both all the very best of luck for the nuptials and hope ye will be very happy together.<br><br>Shalom.<br>Thanks for the succinct summaryhttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2862022011-12-04T17:13:58+00:00Frank AdamContrarian listed all the tactics used in this thread and in others in the past ...<p>Contrarian listed all the tactics used in this thread and in others in the past and many thanks for the precis.</p><p>The little devils all the same do not wish to call off their malicious conflict because it is such splendid displacement activity from their real problems both in the Arab World and in the armchair moralist campaign in Ireland.</p><p>It is occasionally jibed that when a man can no longer be a Jew he becomes a Zionist; and evidently when a man can no longer be an antisemite he becomes an anti-Zionist. There is no other explanantion apart from oil shares, for the depth of bent and twisted objection to Israel and such irrationally uncritical worship of the Palestine Arabs of all "liberal" causes.</p>tut tut frankyhttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2862062011-12-04T19:45:46+00:00opus diablosmalicious??????????????All I did was ask you to address the point YOU raised, an...malicious??????????????<br><br>All I did was ask you to address the point YOU raised, and that i've repeated many times(next time I'll count the number to remind you).<br><br>How can Arabs stop the conflict Israel is maintaining and escalating by its settlements and displacements?<br><br>Any chance of an answer. YOU asked ME to address it, along with 8 more before you obfuscated with another two dozen.<br><br><br>One little point?<br><br>Please?<br><br>Then I'll move on the YOUR second point. <br><br>You can even get contra to hold your hand, I dont mind, I'm broadminded.<br>Borders and boundarieshttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2862072011-12-04T20:17:22+00:00wolfhoundI'd be interested to know from Opus etc which countries in the Middle East didn'...I'd be interested to know from Opus etc which countries in the Middle East didn't have their boundaries fixed post-Ottoman or post French and British Mandates and why the Jewish nature of the Israeli state is problematical wheres the Islamic nautre of its neighbours seems not to be ? <br>would you now, wolfy...http://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2862092011-12-04T20:37:31+00:00opus diabloswell then I suggest you open a thread on that topic and I'll see if I can get ro...well then I suggest you open a thread on that topic and I'll see if I can get round to joining your discussion.<br><br>Meantime this one seems to be about Israel, propaganda/hasbara/PR, and our government's collusion with Tel Aviv despite their cloning of our passports and piracy of our aid/relief shipping in international waters, terrorist assassinations under said cloned passports, and a set of issues Franky baby raised and then ran away from; while his posse mustered to cook up a smoke-screen.<br><br>But maybe that answers your question anyway and saves you the trouble. None of those states are fucking with my travel rights and drawing suspicion on me or my friends should we decide to go travelling.<br>Not that I hit Dubai every weekend..but then neither does Israel.<br><br>Or dont you use an Irish passport when you're not on duty?<br><br>I'd like to know what you think of passport cloning as means of implicating innocents in crime simply because they dont like fascism and ethnic cleansing in general. <br><br>Jews, I have as friends, but they dont approve either. Not all Jews are racist. Its the racism I object to. I lived under(well over, really, I'm white technically)apartheid.<br><br>Shalom.<br><br><br>Watch the little words! Empathise then Understandhttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2862182011-12-05T12:46:09+00:00Frank AdamThe question is not HOW can? or may? the Arabs stop the conflict while Isra...<p>The question is not HOW can? or may? the Arabs stop the conflict while Israel does whatever; but whether the Arab parties WISH / INTEND to stop their vendetta at all?</p><p>Given your gullibility for the current Arab favoured excuses about the Israeli building program, as already noted the Obama US government did lean on Israel hard enough for her to test the water by a building moratotarium for a year, or was it ten months, but the PA failed to take up on it. You can sharp practice an inch once, but then you lose credibility. </p><p>Do remember that all Israelis know that when the US and UK levered Israel out of Sinai in 1949 with threats, it did not lead to peace - only "The Armistice" - and when the US levered Israel out of Sinai in 1957 it did not create peace either, which is why after 1967 Israel stayed in Sinai till the Egyptians signed a peace TREATY. This is not propaganda but in the press files.</p><p>Do consider that if the PLO and other Palestine wannabees and Arab governments did offer Israel a peace treaty they would in all probability get their Palestine State - or autonomy within Jordan or Syria - or what they want by way of self-government, but for territory there is a price to pay for spitefully keeping everybody waiting a lifetime. </p><p>Before dodging serious replies with insults and accusations of lies and propaganda do look up the newspapers of 1967. Notice that Israel immediately offered to return all the territory taken in 1967, BUT the Arab governments did not take up the offer. The Arab states and PLO etc issued the Khartoum Declaration of No peace! No talks and no recognition. This is all archived and witnessed. </p><p>Nations have their own ways of coping with setbacks. Arabs just carry on irritating their opponents till they give up, or explode in a spring clean as happened in Spain - and the Israel of 1949,56,and 67 and this war is not about 1967 it was there before as I witnessed very clearly in fifties' news bulletins. Israel on the other hand has since the Book of Job and the First Exile to Babylon usually qv Jeremiah, rolls up its sleeves, digs the garden and re-establishes its community. The Israelis did not put down a single settlement in the 1967 territories till AFTER the Khartoum apology for a policy. Building is what Israel can do to pressure Arab opponents and is somewhat less bloody than Arab guerilla or not so guerilla. </p><p>If the Arab parties continue banging their heads on the bricks -in a manner of speaking - it is not surprising they are hurting. Try speaking as respectiful [of their opposite numbers] equals instead. </p>now franks turn to take a quizhttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2862192011-12-05T13:00:27+00:00leftyThe "Are you immune to Israeli propaganda" quiz:
Please
take the followin...<p><span style="color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt;"><span style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: underline;">The "Are you immune to Israeli propaganda" quiz:</span><br></span></p>
<p><span style="color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt;">Please
take the following quiz on topics regarding Palestinian quality of life and test your knowledge with the answers provided
below.</span></p>
<p><br><span style="color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;"></span><span style="color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;"></span></p>
<p><b><u><span style="color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;">Questions</span></u></b><span style="color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;"></span></p>
<p><b><span style="color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;">1.)
Rank these countries according to unemployment rates<br></span></b></p>
<p><b><span style="color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;"></span></b><span style="color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;">Gaza strip 2010, Israel 2011 <br></span><span style="color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;"></span></p>
<p><b><span style="color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;">2.)
Rank these opposing sides in terms of number of
casualties in their 2008 encounter.</span></b></p>
<p><b><span style="color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;"></span></b><span style="color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;">palestine, Israel</span><span style="color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;"></span></p>
<p><b><span style="color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt;">3.)
why DID so many palestinians have to go to Israeli hospitals in 2008?</span></b></p>
<p><b><span style="color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;">4.) </span></b><b><span style="color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;">Why DOES israel have to supply (i.e control!) so much of Gaza’s electricity?</span></b></p>
<span style="color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;"></span><span style="color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;"></span>
<p><b><span style="color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt;">5.) </span></b><b><span style="color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;">Which of the following vital routes to Palestinian society are under “occupying”
Israeli control?</span></b><span style="color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;"></span>
</p>
<p><span style="color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;">sea access, border access, air space<br>
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<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Answers: </span><br></p>
<p>[
< 2= you may need to stop watching sky news, listening to frank /
contrarian / alan shatter and going to israeli film festivals to pick up
butch ex IDF women!<br></p>
<p> 2-3: maybe need to a bit read more to inoculate yourself before listening to propaganda merchants like frank</p>
<p><span style="font-style: italic;">4-5: well done. You are probably immune to hasbara creeps like Frank or slimebags like Mark Regev</span> ]<br></p>
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<span style="font-weight: bold;">1)</span> israel=<span style="font-weight: bold;">5.4%</span> gaza strip:<span style="font-weight: bold;">37.8%</span><br>
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( <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_unemployment_rate" title="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_unemployment_rate">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_unemp..._rate</a> )<br>
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<span style="font-weight: bold;">2)</span> A total of 1,100-1,400
Palestinians and 13 Israelis were killed in the 22-day war. of that 13,
several were "friendly fire" by their fellow Israelis being "careless"
with their US war toys<br>
<br>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Israelis_killed_by_Palestinians_in_Israel_and_Palestinians_killed_by_Israelis_in_Gaza_-_2008.png" title="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Israelis_killed_by_Palestinians_in_Israel_and_Palestinians_killed_by_Israelis_in_Gaza_-_2008.png">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Israelis_killed_by_Pa...8.png</a><br>
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<span style="font-weight: bold;">3)</span> The conflict damaged or destroyed tens of thousands of homes,<span style="font-weight: bold;">15 of Gaza’s 27 hospitals and 43 of its 110 primary health care facilities</span>,800
water wells,186 greenhouses, and nearly all of its 10,000 family farms;
leaving 50,000 homeless,400,000-500,000 without running water,one
million without electricity,and resulting in acute food shortages.<br>
<br>
<span style="font-weight: bold;">4)</span> see above <span style="font-weight: bold;">"one million without electricity"</span><br>
<br>
Almost all of Gaza's liquid fuel and about half of its electricity are
supplied by Israel, while Gaza's sole power plant runs on crude diesel
supplied by Israel. In late October 2007, in response to persistent
rocket fire on Southern Israel, the Security Cabinet of Israel decided
to cut diesel exports to Gaza by 15% and gasoline exports by 10%, and to
create targeted electrical outages for 15 minutes after a rocket
attack. According to Israeli officials, the energy flow to hospitals and
Israeli shipments of crude diesel to Gaza's sole power plant would
remain unaffected. The Israeli government argued that these limited
energy cuts are a non-violent way to protest against Hamas rocket
attacks.[133]<br>
<br>
The following day, Attorney General of Israel Menachem Mazuz suspended
the electricity cuts, and the Israeli Supreme Court gave the government
three days to justify its energy cuts policy.<br>
<br>
On 1 December 2007, the Israeli Supreme Court ruled that the electricity
cuts were unlawful, and ordered the Israeli military to stop them by
the following day. In its ruling, however, the court allowed Israel to
continue reducing its diesel and gasoline shipments to Gaza.<br>
<br>
<br>
<span style="font-weight: bold;">5) ALL OF THEM!</span><br>
<br>
Israel has built a <span style="font-weight: bold;">border fence</span> on its border with the Gaza Strip, and <span style="font-weight: bold;">the Israeli Army maintains a presence at all border crossings</span>
and regularly patrols along the fence. All humanitarian aid bound for
Gaza is transferred through four border crossings: The Kerem Shalom,
Karni, Erez, and Sufa crossings. All aid first undergoes security
inspection before being transferred by truck into Gaza.<br>
<br>
According to the Failing Gaza after one year report by Amnesty
International and other organisations cement, glass, steel, bitumen,
wood, paint, doors, plastic pipes, metal pipes, metal reinforcement
rods, aggregate, generators, high voltage cables and wooden telegraph
poles are "high priority reconstruction materials currently with no or
highly limited entry into Gaza through official crossings." A 2009 UN
report by Kevin M. Cahill called the restrictions "Draconian", and said
that reconstruction is halted because Israel does not permit the
importation of steel, cement or glass, among other building materials,
and has restricted importation of lentils, pasta, tomato paste and
juice, as well as batteries for hearing aids for deaf children. He said
that despite the restrictions UNRWA has been able to provide a basic
food supply to over a million refugees in the Gaza Strip. He added that
he "visited a food station where hundreds of displaced persons waited to
collect their meager staples of rice, sugar, lentils and cooking oil.
While this program may save people from starvation, it is a diet that
does not prevent the highest level of anemia in the region, with
alarming rates of childhood stunting due to inadequate nutrition."[110]<br>
<br>
In July, 2008, an UNRWA report on the situation in Gaza stated that "the
number of households in Gaza below the consumption poverty line
continued to grow, reaching 51.8 percent in 2007 (from 50.7 percent in
2006)". In the same year, a Palestinian Bureau of Statistics study
concluded that 80% of families in Gaza were living below the poverty
line. The CIA World Fact book places this figure at an estimated 70% for
2009.<br>
<br>
A World Health Organisation assessment conducted in 2009 claimed that
the level of anemia in babies (9–12 months) was as high as 65%, while a
Socio-economic and Food Security Survey Report stated that 61% of Gazans
are food insecure and reliant on humanitarian aid. Of those that are
food insecure, 65% are children under 18 years. Lastly, a European
Network of Implementing Development Agencies (EUNIDA) report notes that,
because of the security buffer zone imposed around Gaza as part of the
blockade, as of June 2009, 46% of agricultural land was either
inaccessible or out of production.[122]<br>
<br>
On 14 June 2010, the International Committee of the Red Cross noted that
the increasing scarcity of items has led to rises in cost of goods
while quality has fallen. There is also "an acute electricity crisis",
where electricity supplies are "interrupted for seven hours a day on
average". As a consequence, they note that public services, particularly
health services, have suffered, posing "a serious risk to the treatment
of patients". In addition, medical equipment is difficult to repair,
and medical staff cannot leave to gain more training. Lastly, the ICRC
note that sanitation is suffering, because construction projects lack
the equipment needed, or the equipment is of poor quality. Only 60% of
the population is connected to a sewerage collection system, with the
rest polluting the Gaza aquifer. As a result, water is largely "unfit
for consumption".[124]<br>
<br>
A 25 May 2010 United Nations Development Programme report stated that,
as a result of the blockade, most of Gaza's manufacturing industry has
closed, and unemployment stood at an estimated 40%, a decrease on
previous years. The blockade has also prevented much needed
construction, noting that almost "none of the 3,425 homes destroyed
during Cast Lead have been reconstructed, displacing around 20,000
people". Less than 20% "of the value of the damages to educational
facilities has been repaired", only "half of the damage to the power
network has been repaired", "no repair has been made to the transport
infrastructure", "a quarter of damaged farmland has been rehabilitated
and only 40% of private businesses have been repaired".<br>
<br>
<span style="font-weight: bold;">The sea blockade</span> has caused
damage to Gaza fishing industry. Palestinian fishing was originally to
be permitted up to 20 nautical miles (37 km) offshore under the 1994
Gaza-Jericho agreement. The agreement wasn't implemented and Israel
allows fishermen to travel only 3 nautical miles (5.6 km) offshore,
reduced from 6 nmi (11 km) in 2007.<br>
<br>
The Oslo Accords interim peace agreements between the Palestinian
Authority and Israel specify Israeli security control over Gazan
airspace and coastal waters. <span style="font-weight: bold;">Gazan air space</span>
is controlled by radar. Unmanned aerial surveillance drones regularly
patrol, there are regular overflights by Israeli fighter jets and a
surveillance balloon is tethered near the Erez crossing.<br>
<br>
the Yasser Arafat International Airport was destroyed by the Israeli
Army in 2002, there is a remaining landing strip at the Gaza Airstrip
which is potentially capable of accommodating STOL aircraft such as the
DHC-7 were the air blockade to be lifted<br>
<br>
In July 2010, British prime minister David Cameron criticized the
blockade, saying "Humanitarian goods and people must flow in both
directions. Gaza cannot and must not be allowed to remain a prison camp"<br>
<br>
The Arab League has accused Israel of waging a financial war.<br>
The IDF strictly controls travel within the area of the crossing points
between Israel and the Gaza Strip, and has sealed its border with Gaza.
The security environment within Gaza and along its borders, including
its border with Egypt and its seacoast, is dangerous and can change at
any time.<br>
the International Committee of the Red Cross and, according to Richard
Falk, most experts on international law[20] consider the blockade
illegal.<br>
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<br>
<span style="color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;"></span><span style="color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;"></span><span style="color: black; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt;"></span><span style="color: #444444; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB;"></span>the question is HOW, frank...??http://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2862202011-12-05T13:20:45+00:00opus diablos....do you manage to keep switching the question when you are pinned down on you.......do you manage to keep switching the question when you are pinned down on your previous question.<br><br>Back at the original question on your list(go check, Tues 29, 12:13).We'll leave the other eight till you answer that one.<br><br>Your question then was ' Are the Arab states and PLO, Hamas and Hizbollah willing to end the conflict at all.'<br><br>Go check it, and stop shifting around like some kiddy caught raiding the cookie jar. Or else desist from pretending you have any interest in a solution to this festering sore on the face of humanity.<br><br>Until you do it seems a little like Berlin sending a protest to the inmates of Auschwitz about their aggression causing wear and tear to the capos' bayonettes. <br><br>If Israel will not stop its escalation of the illegal settlements, and define its intended borders, it becomes increasingly transparent to more important witnesses than I am that the intention is domination, ethnic cleansing, the installation of a balkanised hegemony in the region, and that it has no interest in any peaceful solution other than one that guarantees the peace of the grave to all non-Likud-minded fascists.<br><br>Even Israelis are wakening to this fact on the stolen and disputed ground, so I suggest you deal with it, or stop pretending to any interest other than obfuscation and muddying.<br><br>Shalom, and again, Teshuvah.<br>Frank, it was in the Treatieshttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2862512011-12-06T12:10:22+00:00Felix QuigleyFrank Adam
You write above (and I am in much agreement with y...<P>Frank Adam</P>
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<P>You write above (and I am in much agreement with you)</P>
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<P><EM><STRONG>Notice that Israel immediately offered to return all the territory taken in 1967, BUT the Arab governments did not take up the offer. The Arab states and PLO etc issued the Khartoum Declaration of No peace! No talks and no recognition. This is all archived and witnessed. </STRONG></EM></P>
<P><EM><STRONG></STRONG></EM> </P>
<P>You are right, it is archived etc.</P>
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<P>But of even more importance is to swing back to the treaty of San Remo in 1920, and the subsequent League of Nations Mandate treaty of 1923 (if you are an uncommitted reader just google these)</P>
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<P>This makes it very clear that Judea and Samaria is theirs. that is is Jewish and set aside for the Jewish Homeland</P>
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<P>My point being it was a betrayal to offer to give away Judea and Samaria. They were traitors to the real Jewish cause.</P>just following orders...http://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2862542011-12-06T12:50:09+00:00Realistnah felix don't waste your time with intermediate judgements by men.lets go back...nah felix don't waste your time with intermediate judgements by men.<br><br>lets go back to the bible<br><br>Gods chosen people were given the land by god. He wants them to have it.<br><br>Thats whats ultimately behind all this. <br>I mean there were other more hospitable places to put an official jewish homeland that were less contested and more hospitable. But they weren't what was wanted. Its all to do with crazy biblical prophesy.<br><br>Any excuse for a bit of war and a bit of torture of other less well armed brown people. eh felix/frank/contrarian?<br><br>Lets cut to the chase:<br><br>Its not our fault we slowly tortured and killed palestinians and built settlements. <br>God told us to do it to get our rightful holy land back<br>Ve vere only following his ohderz.<br><br>(funny how god, with all his omnipotence never just goes and does anything himself! He always has to work through the actions of fanatics and cruel evil self serving fuckers)<br><br>Ye and the americans who believe in the rapture and fund ye to help bring it on. Ye're all a bunch o religious loonies. So are the muslims who believe some guy floated up to heaven from a specific rock there and send their kids in covered with explosives in an effort to get the rock back. Cop on the lot of ye.<br><br>There's only this life. the rest is a con. Try to be nice to each other and mAke this a nice place to live instead of making it a hell hole polluted toilet prison planet where nobody is happy because of greed and some daft fairy stories someone told you as a kid.<br><br>Am I the only one that realises that 'Frank Adam' is really Anti-Muslim bigot Denis M. MacEoin?http://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2862692011-12-06T16:41:43+00:00For all you intrepid zionist Propagandists out thereHow to fight the Israel-Apartheid analogy in four easy steps
Step one: But th...<h1>How to fight the Israel-Apartheid analogy in four easy steps</h1>
<p><strong>Step one: But they have the vote</strong></p><p>Start
with fragmentation. When talking about Israel refer to a mythical state
that existed between November 1966 and June 1967, the only period
during which the majority of Palestinians living under Israeli control
were NOT subject to military rule. Focus on the fact that Palestinians
who became Israeli citizens have the right to vote. Not quite a right
to vote for any party of their choice (various radical lists were
disqualified over the years) but still, a right to participate in the
elections.</p> <p>In the process, ignore the 80% of the original
inhabitants of the territories that became part of Israel in 1948, who
have been physically excluded from exercising any civil and political
rights in their homeland. Ignore all those who live under military
occupation in the 1967 territories, with no right to vote in Israel and
no say in the way their territories are governed by Israel (their own
government has no power over land, water, roads, housing, development,
population registration, and virtually everything else that is relevant
to their lives).</p> <p>Go back to those citizens (about 15% of all
Palestinians) and assert how fortunate they are. Do not bother to read,
convey, and consider their own feelings, words, analyses, politics.
They have a very different opinion on the applicability of the notion
of apartheid to their own situation, but why listen? Who is better
qualified to speak on their behalf than you?</p> <p><strong>Step two: But they started it</strong></p> <p>If
you really have to, talk about the refugees (remember those 80%
mentioned above, who have been excluded from any presence in Israel?).
They have themselves to blame for their situation. They started the war
in 1948 and suffered the consequences, so what do they want from you
now?</p> <p>In the process avoid paying attention to inconvenient facts:
that long before the 1948 war, all Palestinians residing on land
bought by official Jewish agencies had to leave their homes. That no
tenants living on land owned by official Zionist agencies were allowed
to stay (not even on a small part of their land) once the land
transaction was completed. That well before 1948, dozens of towns and
hundreds of rural settlements were established by and for Jewish
immigrants, and that not a single one of them allowed Palestinians to
reside within their boundaries, or even find employment within them,
let alone become full members of the community.</p> <p>In other words,
ignore the ever-expanding zone of exclusion that was created by the
Zionist movement and its settlement agencies since the beginning of the
20th century, from which all Palestinians were barred. Pretend the
whole thing started in 1948, and they were responsible for it. Ignore
the Palestinian refugees, all of whom, regardless of their personal
involvement in military affairs and political intentions, were equally
barred from returning to Israel after 1948. If you also manage to
‘forget’ the massive evidence of ethnic cleansing that took place
during that war, so much the better.</p> <p>And remember: there are two
important tasks to be performed here: erase all traces of the exclusion
of the majority of Palestinians from their land (if they are not
there, by definition they cannot be subject to apartheid), and
pre-emptively deny any subsequent claims (if they lost their
citizenship they cannot make any claim to voting and other rights).</p> <p><strong>Step three: But we are not alone</strong></p> <p>As
a fallback option, admit that the situation is not perfect, but you
are not the only one practicing some form of discrimination or
exclusion. If everyone practices apartheid, then the specific accusation
against Israel is no longer meaningful. Use whatever examples can
bolster your case: Kurds in Turkey, Basques in Spain, Tibetans in China
(and for the more advanced, Saharawis in Morocco), allow you to turn
the tables against critics: why do they not protest first against all
these other oppressive regimes? The answer may be that these are indeed
situations in which minority groups are denied their right to
independence. Yet, they are granted equality and the possibility of full
assimilation if they so desire. Palestinians, in contrast, have
neither independence nor the option of assimilation and equality, but
why worry about such petty nuances?</p> <p>Try another tack: what about
the African/Muslim/Caribbean immigrants in Europe, subject to various
restrictions on immigration, jobs, residence and political rights? Of
course, they are immigrants rejected by the indigenous majority in
foreign countries, while Palestinians are indigenous people denied
rights in their own homeland by recently-arrived immigrants, but so
what?</p> <p>Or, take the legal precedent route: invoke the right of
states to give preferential treatment to their ‘ethnic kin’ in the
diaspora, recognised by many European countries. But, do not stop to
consider that the very definition of Israel as a state of the Jewish
people (but not of its indigenous Palestinians) is the source of the
conflict. And that in no European country do the rights of ethnic kin
come at the expense of the indigenous ethnic groups that do not form
part of the ‘kin’.</p> <p>Invoke other cases where ethnic and religious
symbols are employed by European states, in their flag, anthem, crest
and so on. That these states (UK, Greece, Sweden and others) offer all
their citizens equal rights, regardless of their ethnic or religious
origins, and that none of them allows differential access to resources
based on ethnic or religious identity is best left out of the
discussion. Rather, raise the problem that Jews and Muslims cannot
become UK monarchs, never mind that 99.9% of Anglicans, who are not of
royal stock, are equally deprived of that privilege.</p> <p>Brutal
honesty is another useful strategy, especially when you can go back to
the classics: the Turks did it to the Greeks, and the Greeks did it to
the Turks. The Indians did it to the Muslims, and the Pakistanis to the
Hindus, the Czechs and the Poles to the Germans, and the Germans,
before them, to everybody else. And keep up to date: the Serbs, Croats,
and Bosnians have done it to each other. And, you have not even
mentioned yet the great massacres and millions of deaths from
enslavement, forced labour, dislocation, and diseases, which afflicted
colonized populations in Africa and the Americas. Why single Israel out,
then? Why are Israelis the only ones who have to meet the charges of
apartheid?</p> <p>In those cases above (Turkey-Greece, India-Pakistan,
and so on), only a few percent of the respective populations were
affected, while in 1948 Palestine 60% of the original indigenous
population (of the entire country) became refugees; in those cases
above, the bulk of the respective population remained rooted in their
own territories, and retained their independence, while in the case of
1948 Palestine the entire society was dislocated and lost its ability
to rule itself. But these are mere technicalities, so avoid them at
will.</p> <p>More importantly, in all those cases, the acts of
dispossession, eviction, expulsion, dislocation, confiscation, were
once-off events, even if their impact was of a long duration.
Historical tragedies and great injustices they were indeed, no doubt,
but life gradually returned to normal after that. Not so in
Israel/Palestine: the government, parliament, political parties,
military authorities, construction companies, various religious and
social movements, and media organisations, continue relentlessly to
re-enact the historical dispossession on a regular basis. It is not
just the <em><a href="http://www.israeli-occupation.org/tag/nakba/" title="http://www.israeli-occupation.org/tag/nakba/">http://www.israeli-occupation.org/tag/nakba/</a></em>
of 1948 that matters: an ongoing onslaught on Palestinians’ land,
rights and demographic presence is the central issue in Israeli politics
today (and has been for decades though not always with the same
intensity). Literally, not a day passes without a new initiative, bill,
law, regulation, and campaign to restrict, marginalise, exclude,
silence and oppress Palestinians and any others (including Jews) who
try to defend them and what remains of Israeli democracy.</p> <p>But we digress. All this can be easily explained away by the ultimate weapon: security!</p> <p><strong>Step four: But we need security</strong></p> <p>And
if all else fails, invoke the magic word, security. You are only in it
for security. All you care about is survival. You build a security
fence (on and through other people’s land), you have security
settlements (on other people’s property), you strive to secure your
existence, your boundaries, your demographic balance, your power, your
rights.</p> <p>You maintain the occupation because of security fears
(even if you were far more secure before it), you neither annex the
occupied territories (because their residents would endanger your
security) nor do you leave them (because to do so would constitute a
threat to your security), you establish settlements because of security
reasons (even if most settlers openly deny that), you let Jews move
freely in and out of the country and burden Palestinians with dozens of
laws, hundreds of road blocks, thousands of military regulations, all
because of security. You maintain a dual legal system (due to
security), different roads (for security reasons), differential access
to land and water (needless to say why), and different education
systems (the s-word is responsible again). What does all that have to
do with apartheid?</p> <p>By Ran Greenstein, Israeli Occupation Archive – 20 Nov 2011</p><p><strong>Ran
Greenstein is an Associate Professor in the Department of Sociology at
the University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg, South Africa.</strong></p>'Frank Adam'= Noted Anti-Muslim Bigot Denis M. MacEoinhttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2862702011-12-06T16:48:44+00:00tsk tsk frankieDenis Mac Eoin likes to write fiction under the name
Daniel Easterman.Anyone fa...Denis Mac Eoin likes to write fiction under the name
Daniel Easterman.<br><br>Anyone familiar with the
Zionist Bernard Lewis' 'Clash of Civilisations' nonsense, and who also
has had the misfortune to actually read one of Denis Mac Eoins' overt
works of fiction( as opposed to his covert works of fiction - see
below.) will notice a common theme. <br><br>
I unfortunately have have had the dubious fortune to read one of Denis
Mac Eoin/ Daniel Easterman's works of fiction (just one though, bought
for 1 Euro in a bargain book shop) and immediately noticed that his
works of fiction seek to promote Lewis fictional 'Clash of Civilisation'
narrative<br>
<br>
Here is the blurb to one of Mac Eoin's works of fiction : <br>
""<span style="font-style: italic;">Professor Jack Goodrich has a prestigious job in Cairo
and a happy family life with his wife and ten-year-old daughter. When
he’s offered the chance to authenticate potentially priceless artefacts,
including a sword, he thinks his dreams have come true. But as soon as
they are in his possession, the nightmare begins with the death of his
wife and daughter. The sword appears to be the property of the
descendent of the Prophet Mohammed, and the people who want it will do
anything to get it. Once the descendent has it he will declare jihad on
all non-Muslims</span>"<br>
<br>
Denis Mac Eoin also is involved in the production of other works of
fiction - only this time he his bits of academic paper to pretend that
these other fictional works are actually factual. <br>
<br>
One such fictional academic report Denis Mac Eoin was involved in was unmasked as a work of fiction in 2007. <br>
<br>
Denis Mac Eoin was caught lying, as reported in the Guardian Newspaper, when he was
involved in producing what he claimed at the time was a study of 100
Mosques in the UK - the study called 'The Hijacking of British Islam'
and written for the rather innocuously named 'Policy Exchange', A
Zionist/Neo-Con front-group, attempted to claim "that books condoning
violent jihad and encouraging hatred of Christians, Jews and gays were
being sold in a quarter of the 100 mosques visited".<br>
<br>
However an investigation of the claims by BBC's Newsnight programme found that <br><br>
"<span style="font-weight: bold;">examination of receipts provided by the researchers to
verify their purchases showed some had been written by the same person -
even though they purported to come from different mosques.</span><br>
<br><span style="font-weight: bold;">
Several receipts also misspelled the names or addresses of the mosques where the books were supposedly sold.</span>"<br>
<br>
When comment was sought from the researchers, the Zionist/Neo-Con
Front-group Policy Exchange claimed, rather conveniently (and a little
bit <em>weirdly</em> IMHO) that <em><br><br>"The researchers were unavailable for comment because they were all on a religious retreat in Mauritania, "</em>Talking out of both sides of your mouths again! Do some researchhttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2862742011-12-06T22:09:01+00:00Frank Adam
The Devil's quibbles are evidently sporting amusements given the following has...<DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>The Devil's quibbles are evidently sporting amusements given the following has just come down the wires to damn the whole Palestine whinge repertoire out of their own mouths, never mind the continual bombs & war in Iraq Syria etc which nobody in Ireland or the BBC is emotionally objecting to.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><B></B></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><B><a href="http://palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=157&doc_id=5905" title="http://palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=157&doc_id=5905">http://palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=157&doc_id=5905</a></B> - Itamar Marcus and Nan Jacques Zilberdik<BR>Adli Sadeq, the Palestinian Authority Ambassador to India, told the official PA daily Al-Hayat Al-Jadida on Nov. 26, 2011: "[The Israelis] have a common mistake, or misconception by which they fool themselves, assuming that Fatah accepts them and recognizes the right of their state to exist, and that it is Hamas alone that loathes them and does not recognize the right of this state to exist. They ignore the fact that this state, based on a fabricated [Zionist] enterprise, never had any shred of a right to exist."<BR>"Hamas, Fatah and the others are not waging war against Israel right now for reasons related to balance of power. There are no two Palestinians who disagree over the fact that Israel exists, and recognition of it is restating the obvious, but recognition of its right to exist is something else, different from recognition of its [physical] existence." (Palestinian Media Watch)</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN>Thinking I am a <EM>nom de plume</EM> for Professor McEoin is the biggest bouquet I have ever received in this activity.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN>Now for the poor Palestine Arabs who since 1920 when records opened have been on the richest median wages in the Arab World and currently have the highest GDP per cap in the Arab World bar the Gulf oil sheikhdoms. The fact that they are not as rich as Israelis is not pertinent to the discussion of the independences of Israel; and Arab Palestine in Gaza, Hebron and Nablus. By everybody's agreement the PA Arabs are NOT Israelis and NOT in Israel which does not owe them jobs. Ireland and India were very much poorer than Britain at independence but that was not a feature of the basic righteousness of independence - and Israel also has a right to be independent of the Arab World.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>For those who want an independent Arab Palestine in the PA area, it would be an advantage as they say in job adverts, to end the conflict, to stop demanding the cake of a peace time economy <EM>connubium et commercium</EM> as the Romans put it, and at the same time enjoy with impunity warlike activity against Israel.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN>As Israel is humanitarian it allows for hospital visits to Israel and for decades allowed the now PA Arabs to take jobs in Israel but various politically- too- clever- by- half Arab nationalists abused this and organised stabbings, drive by shootings and bombings in Israel. Tha</SPAN><SPAN>t way the PA Arab extremists themselves ended the good years for their own people in which their population trebled. Truly oppressed populations historically do not increase but flatline or drop. </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN></SPAN> </DIV></DIV></DIV>Yeah, I know, Denis/Frankhttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2862772011-12-06T22:46:15+00:00yes Denis
Thinking I am a nom de plume for Professor McEoin is the biggest bouquet&...
<div><span><span style="font-style: italic;">Thinking I am a </span><em>nom de plume</em><span style="font-style: italic;"> for Professor McEoin is the biggest bouquet I have ever received in this activity.</span><br><br>yes, Denis/'Frank', the idea of you pathetically wanking-off to images of yourself, Denis, is quite believable<br></span></div>Denis MacEoin is a proven LIAR and BIGOT - 'Frank Adam' is also a proven Liar and Bigothttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2862782011-12-06T23:10:43+00:00Denis MacEoin is a proven LIARThinking I am a nom de plume for Professor McEoin is the biggest bouquet I ...<span><span style="font-style: italic;">Thinking I am a </span><em>nom de plume</em><span style="font-style: italic;"> for Professor McEoin is the biggest bouquet I have ever received in this activity.</span><br><br>Frank Adam: a pseudonym for rather a sad and pathetic individual that wants to pretend that they are "an honest" (Frank) "man" (Adam)<br><br>Denis MacEoin is a proven liar (caught lying by BBC Newsnight) and "Frank Adam" pretends that his being revealed as a pseudonym for Denis MacEoin, a proven liar and Anti-Muslim Bigot, is some sort of compliment? <br><br>A proven liar like Denis MacEoin is certainly the type that would choose a pseudonym that proclaims his 'honesty' - real live honest people don't actually have to go around advertising their honesty - it's only the dishonest ones that feel the need to do that<br><br>The inner-workings of the twisted psyche of a neurotic narcissistic Bigot like Denis MacEoin sure is a very weird place<br></span>Stop these personal attacks on frank Adam!http://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2862812011-12-07T09:00:44+00:00Felix QuigleyStop these personal attacks on frank Adam!
I count “proven liar” written ...<P>Stop these personal attacks on frank Adam!</P>
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<P>I count “proven liar” written about 5 times in about 15 lines. The propagandists for Stalin or Hitler could not have done better!</P>
<P>This personal type attack on Adam is a red herring in this issue. The same method was used by NATO against Milosevic, Ghagbo or Gadhafi</P>
<P>Repeat abuse hoping nobody is actually thinking</P>
<P>It only matters what Adam says, not who he is, since all those above work under a fictitious and shifting pseudonym!</P>
<P>This stuff has been going round and round in circles for many years on Indymedia, but it is time for a new beginning.</P>
<P>A big section of the Irish left lined up with the Imperialist and Jihadist destruction of Muammar Gadhafi and Libya. The same situation has existed in relation to Ben Ali, Mubarak and with Laurent Ghagbo. As we speak Mrs Clinton opens up a broadside against Vladimir Putin and the recent election. What did these SWP/IPSC types do on the Libya issue?</P>
<P>The time for single issue politics over this Palestine issue is long gone.</P>
<P>The weakness of Adam and others such as Mark Humphrys towards Israel is shown in their position towards Libya, (see Humphrys in his sheer dishonesty in <a href="http://markhumphrys.com/libya.html" title="http://markhumphrys.com/libya.html">http://markhumphrys.com/libya.html</a>)</P>
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<P>Those like Adam who SAY they are in support of Israel and the Jews I would like to know where they stand on these other issues of the day.</P>
<P>Did he defend Muammar Gadhafi against NATO/Sharia/UN/Obama/Cameron/Sarkozy?</P>
<P> </P>Is US Imperialism not the ENEMY of Israel?http://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2862822011-12-07T09:23:37+00:00Felix QuigleyBy Caroline B. Glick, JPOST
With vote tallies in for Egypt’s first round of parl...<P><SPAN><EM>By Caroline B. Glick, JPOST</EM></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN><EM>With vote tallies in for Egypt’s first round of parliamentary elections in it is abundantly clear that Egypt is on the fast track to becoming a totalitarian Islamic state. The first round of voting took place in Egypt’s most liberal, cosmopolitan cities. And still the Muslim Brotherhood and the Salafists received more than 60 percent of the vote. Run-off elections for 52 seats will by all estimates increase their representation.<BR><BR>And then in the months to come, Egyptian voters in the far more Islamist Nile Delta and Sinai will undoubtedly provide the forces of jihadist Islam with an even greater margin of victory.</EM></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN><EM>Until the US-supported overthrow of Hosni Mubarak, Egypt served as the anchor of the US alliance system in the Arab world. The Egyptian military is US-armed, US-trained and US-financed.</EM></SPAN></P>
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<P><SPAN>That is the most recent words of Caroline Glick on the issue. Is she right? Is there anything in this which is inaccurate?</SPAN></P>
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<P><SPAN>So the US has just set in process events which have led to political control in Egypt to extreme Muslim Brotherhood.</SPAN></P>
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<P><SPAN>This is the gravest blow to Israel. All caused by the actions of US Imperialism in the area.</SPAN></P>
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<P><SPAN>I would like very much to know where Frank Adam stands on the issue of US Imperialism and Israel? Is US imperialism not the ENEMY of Israel?</SPAN></P>Thread carefullyhttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2862842011-12-07T10:17:45+00:00Declan CullenIn relation to a story in the Irish Indo: http://www.independent.ie/business/tec...In relation to a story in the Irish Indo: <a href="http://www.independent.ie/business/technology/palestinian-website-criticised-for-wiping-israel-off-the-map-2956260.html" title="http://www.independent.ie/business/technology/palestinian-website-criticised-for-wiping-israel-off-the-map-2956260.html">http://www.independent.ie/business/technology/palestini....html</a>
One needs to be careful that this is not Israel crying 'Wolf' again. Israel was responsible for the creation of Hezbollah (believe it or not) in order to have an enemy figure to point at and say - 'Look', 'See', those people over there want to harm us'. Much in the same manner as the CIA created Osama Bin Laden (Code name: Tim Osman).
Without this boogeyman Israel would not continue to receive the billion of dollars of financial and military aid from America on an annual basis. Coincidentally, much of that military aid is flown through Shannon Airport on route to Israel (so much for being a neutral country). But that's another story.
The moto of MOSSAD is 'By way of deception, thou shall do war' and they have years of experience in the deception game.(Research: Lavon Affair & USS Liberty)
Israel was responsible for the 2005 bombings in Egypt that were blamed on Al-Qaeda by the US media, and they were never challenged on their source. Their source was MOSSAD.
People need to do their homework about the crimes of Israel and waken up to the fact that this country, who is always playing victim, is in fact, a clever wolf in sheep's clothing, and has been since its creation in 1948.
Just give one source there declanhttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2862882011-12-07T11:30:34+00:00Felix QuigleyDeclan
Give just one source for one claim you have just made, say on Hizb...<P>Declan</P>
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<P>Give just one source for one claim you have just made, say on Hizbullah, never mind your spelling (moto?)</P>You want a diversion...? OK but learn to observe reality !http://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2862952011-12-07T14:51:53+00:00Frank Adam
This is a thread discussing Israel; however even in its bent Leninist meaning, ...<SPAN>
<P>This is a thread discussing Israel; however even in its bent Leninist meaning, arguing about imperialism is like objecting to the weather, or, if you cannot ride two horses at once what are you doing in the circus?<SPAN> </SPAN>Most is an excuse to be priggish about the USA but the Soviet variant was no better and Africa has already started being wary of the Chinese variant. Small nations and states have always had and have to tip toe between the tulips and if you cannot, then you have missed the point that independence is relative and even the US (isolationists and anti-greens) learnt the hard way it cannot be independent of the planet.<SPAN> </SPAN>Incidentally the Arab World was created by imperialism of the traditional military sort and had its heyday in the Middle Ages, like all the others on balance benefitting mankind by spreading knowledge, trade, plants and much good practice.<SPAN> </SPAN>There are no US troops currently in Israel nor the rest of the Levant and North Africa unlike in the times of the British, Romans, Turks and Arabs.</SPAN></P>
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<P><SPAN>As for Gadaffi I remember the Colonel’s seizure of power – so constitutional – and such a brilliant example of the nasties of the Arab World:<SPAN> </SPAN>sending agents to try and push poisoned sweets at the children of exiles and shooting an unarmed police woman from the window of an embassy - model respect for international law!<SPAN> </SPAN><SPAN> </SPAN>It is odd how only pro-western Arabs and others get a pasting from the Left and when the friends of the erstwhile USSR misbehave, the grouplets of the Left forget that Liberty Equality and Fraternity and democratic redress are what the Left are about, and take refuge in the displacement activity of nit picking rather than keep an eye on the ball of reality.<SPAN> </SPAN>The funniest irony in all this is that Israel survived its War of Independence from the Arab World 1948 round because “Uncle Joe” Stalin let the Czechs send Israel a stash of surrendered German weapons and British Spits surplus because The Good Soldier Schweik were refurbishing with Soviet aircraft and other weapons.<SPAN> </SPAN>Runner up is that Irish independence depended to a larger degree than admitted both sides of the water on US pressure and UK caginess of US opinion.</SPAN></P>
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<P><SPAN>It is peculiar how Israel’s enemies so often are a generation out with their intelligence:<SPAN> </SPAN>there were indeed several hundred checkpoints across the PA while Israel fought the Second Intifada; <SPAN> </SPAN>but with its end by exhaustion, the death of that loser Arafat, mediation by the able but maligned Tony Blair, and some good technocratic management by Fayad the economy is well up, unemployment down and the internal road blocks are withdrawn.<SPAN> </SPAN>However as we (?) all recognize that the PA and Israel are separate (don’t we?) it follows that border control remains.<SPAN> </SPAN>If the PA Citizens want to be PA and not Israelis then it follows they are not entitled to citizenry privileges within Israel.<SPAN> </SPAN>Just because Ireland and UK are at peace and the UK is not a nit-picker about Irish citizens and trade in Britain, does not oblige Israel to be as generous with the PA and its theological nut cases who only want to destroy her.<SPAN> </SPAN></SPAN></P>
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<P><SPAN>Israel has allowed PA Arabs jobs and medical visits but that did not do as much as expected to calm the overarching politics; so now the privilege has been understandably largely withdrawn.<SPAN> </SPAN>The Arab prosperity of the thirty years after 1967 resulting from Israel generosity is what trebled the PA Arab population while it had flat-lined under Jordan and Egypt. In retrospect it was well intentioned mistake given now that the two peoples have drawn apart the PA is faced with a serious population and jobs reconciliation not helped by the PA Arabs effusing to have anything to do with birth control under the misguided policy that they can retake all Palestine with maternity ward politics.<SPAN> </SPAN>That is a mistake too as when people are cornered they turn militant, and as the Arab Spring has shown that violence can turn inwards.</SPAN></P>
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<P><SPAN>Similarly with the ethnic kin theme. Europe’s the nation states are well enough established and internally at peace for all citizens to muck in together and keep politics for the most part to who gets and pays what?<SPAN> </SPAN>The converse broke off the Soviet fringe and split Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia – and Ireland for that matter.<SPAN> </SPAN>If the Arabs refuse to be part of Israel that is their problem and Darwish left - with a PhD in Hebrew Literature. <SPAN> </SPAN>If the Arab neigbours of Israel refuse to accept her and let her be in peace, that makes problems for Israeli Arabs and PA Arabs as backwash from the military situation the Arab states and Palestine Arabs themselves refuse to turn off on any terms apart from Israel’s disappearance.<SPAN> </SPAN>When there is a military threat then even model societies can turn ugly and in both World Wars Germans in UK US were interned like British in Germany in 1914 – 18; <SPAN> </SPAN>and the US and Canada interned in their interiors their citizens and residents of Japanese origins.<SPAN> </SPAN>Comparatively Israel has treated its Arab citizens well.<SPAN> </SPAN>Many would say she could have been more generous and with prosperity and relative security from conventional military threats these forty years their socio-economic position is much improved and their representation among the student body is on par with their percentage in the population. <SPAN> </SPAN><SPAN> </SPAN>Meanwhile emigrants settled abroad in the Americas and Australasia do not have a right to vote in Europe or Africa. <SPAN> </SPAN></SPAN></P>
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<P><SPAN>Interestingly there is currently a test comparison in the UK in the attempt of the RC community especially in Scotland to secure the amendment of the 1701(?) Act of Settlement which finally after the Stuart shenanigans banned RCatholics from the UK throne, or marriage to the UK monarch.<SPAN> </SPAN>In those centuries being RC or Protestant was an important aspect and programme in the politics and identity of Europe inclusive England and UK which had caused troubles in Britain.<SPAN> </SPAN>When ideology moved on, to the Enlightenment and the Franco –American Revolution and after Waterloo UK was perfectly secure in itself, then it was possible to move for RC emancipation (Grattan) though not without loyalty pledges for public office.<SPAN> </SPAN>They went in Baldwin’s Catholic Disabilities (Removal) Act (1925?) but by then the hostile ideology was atheistic Communism so anybody with a keen religion could be presumed on-side.<SPAN> </SPAN></SPAN></P>
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<P><SPAN>Now the last vestiges of this mindframe are being weeded.<SPAN> </SPAN>It is a pity that a sixth of the world population is still medieval enough to wish to inflict itself with weapons on its neighbours in the name of pie- in- the- sky aspects of <SPAN> </SPAN>religion.<SPAN> </SPAN>It is totally regrettable that far Left grouplets who like all the Left originated in one of the greater rebellions against abuse of clerical office, should be so willing to be led by the nose in Salafi and Jihadi Moslem attempts to subvert secular society. </SPAN></P>
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<P><SPAN>Finally pro tem if those who wish to know why the PA, especially Gaza, is short of power stations and hospitals and an airport, just trace the Arafat and Co embezzled millions in Switzerland and other non-PA enterprises.<SPAN> </SPAN>There is also the silly exemption state of UNWRA and the Arab refugees of 1948 of whom on life expectancy alone it is unlikely there are 150 000 still alive. If that money instead of being frittered retail on individual families, had been used wholesale on building socio- economic infrastructure: roads, sewers, schools and hospitals, then it would have created jobs, quality of life and taken off into an economy.<SPAN> </SPAN>Out of basest UN Tammany heeler’s/ log rolling/ backscratching, UNWRA has been allowed as an Arab exemption to resettlement after wars instead of being amalgamated into UNHCR and being wound down and its breeding cesspit of extremists with it. <SPAN> </SPAN>Which other people/ nation is allowed a particularist UN organ – two actually given the UN committee on the rights of Palestine, which could all be free and practised with the end of the conflict.</SPAN></P>a bargain bouquethttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2862972011-12-07T16:25:31+00:00JoeMc"Thinking I am a nom de plume for Professor McEoin is the biggest bouquet I have..."Thinking I am a nom de plume for Professor McEoin is the biggest bouquet I have ever received in this activity."<br>
I suppose it must be a great honour for a louse like Frank Adams to be mistaken for himself .
As somebody who never gets beyond a few lines of Frank Adams' Islamophobia when it appears on this site , I must say I admire the scholarly poster who trawled the bargain buckets for the sake of enduring one of Professor McEoin's entire books .
HAMAS not Hezbollah, that were financed by the Zionist Racist Statehttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2863012011-12-07T18:33:03+00:00'Frank Adam@=Noted Anti-Muslim BIGOT, Denis MacEoinThe Zionist Felix, supporter of the openly racist Zionist State, asked Declan to...The Zionist Felix, supporter of the openly racist Zionist State, asked Declan to <span style="font-style: italic;">"Just give one source there declan</span><span style="font-style: italic;"> - Give just one source for one claim you have just made, say on Hizbullah, never mind your spelling (moto?)"<br><br></span>Well firstly Declan was wrong to claim Hezbollah was financed by Israel, something which would have been pretty bad in itself were it true, but the truth is even worse - it was Hamas that Israel financed. they did so in an effort to draw Palestinian support away from the Secular PLO and to create a Religious counterpart to the Secular PLO - all so that they could then have someone to point at and call "religious crazies"<span style="font-style: italic;"> - </span>it's the age-old 'Divide and conquer" strategy beloved of Imperialists through the centuries <span style="font-style: italic;"><br><br></span><a href="http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Security-Industry/2002/06/18/Analysis-Hamas-history-tied-to-Israel/UPI-82721024445587/" title="http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Security-Industry/2002/06/18/Analysis-Hamas-history-tied-to-Israel/UPI-82721024445587/">http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Security-Industry/2002...5587/</a><br><br><p>"Israel and Hamas may currently be locked in deadly combat, but,
according to several current and former U.S. intelligence officials,
beginning in the late 1970s, Tel Aviv gave direct and indirect financial
aid to Hamas over a period of years.</p>
<p>Israel "aided Hamas directly -- the Israelis wanted to use it as a
counterbalance to the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization)," said
Tony Cordesman, Middle East analyst for the Center for Strategic
Studies.</p>
<p>Israel's support for Hamas "was a direct attempt to divide and dilute
support for a strong, secular PLO by using a competing religious
alternative," said a former senior CIA official.</p>
<p>According to documents United Press International obtained from the
Israel-based Institute for Counter Terrorism, Hamas evolved from cells
of the Muslim Brotherhood, founded in Egypt in 1928. Islamic movements
in Israel and Palestine were "weak and dormant" until after the 1967 Six
Day War in which Israel scored a stunning victory over its Arab
enemies.</p>
<p>After 1967, a great part of the success of the Hamas/Muslim
Brotherhood was due to their activities among the refugees of the Gaza
Strip. The cornerstone of the Islamic movements success was an
impressive social, religious, educational and cultural infrastructure,
called Da'wah, that worked to ease the hardship of large numbers of
Palestinian refugees, confined to camps, and many who were living on the
edge. </p>
<p>"Social influence grew into political influence," first in the Gaza
Strip, then on the West Bank, said an administration official who spoke
on condition of anonymity.</p>
<p>According to ICT papers, Hamas was legally registered in Israel in
1978 by Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, the movement's spiritual leader, as an
Islamic Association by the name Al-Mujamma al Islami, which widened its
base of supporters and sympathizers by religious propaganda and social
work. </p>
<p>According to U.S. administration officials, funds for the movement
came from the oil-producing states and directly and indirectly from
Israel. The PLO was secular and leftist and promoted Palestinian
nationalism. Hamas wanted to set up a transnational state under the rule
of Islam, much like Khomeini's Iran.. . . . <br></p><p> . . . . .According to former State Department counter-terrorism official Larry
Johnson, "the Israelis are their own worst enemies when it comes to
fighting terrorism." </p>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold;">"The Israelis are like a guy who sets fire to his hair and then tries to put it out by hitting it with a hammer.</span>"</p>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold;">"They do more to incite and sustain terrorism than curb it,"</span> he said."</p><br><br>BTW - how's my spelling Felix? did I spell 'openly racist' correctly?<br>RE: "Stop these personal attacks on frank Adam!"http://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2863022011-12-07T18:42:39+00:00'Frank Adam'= Noted Anti-Muslim BIGOT Denis MacEoinSorry to disappoint you, Zionist Felix, but if you think I'm just going to ignor...Sorry to disappoint you, Zionist Felix, but if you think I'm just going to ignore the fact that Denis MacEoin, who posts here under the pseudonym 'Frank Adam', is a proven LIAR and known Anti-Muslim Bigot then you are sorely mistaken - <br><br>Not only has Denis Mac Eoin been caught lying (by BBC Newsnight) while operating under his own name, in his guise as 'Frank Adam' he has also been found out to be a fairly persistant and notorious liar here at indymedia.ie.<br><br>In almost every thread Denis/'Frank' posts in he usually manages to insert, at an absolute minimum, one very obvious lie. He has been caught doing this many many times. Denis/'Frank Adam' obviously has little regard for anything even remotely approaching the truth, something he has demonstrated time and time again here at Indymedia.ie<br>"Never send a boy on a man's errand."http://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2863032011-12-07T18:46:56+00:00W. FinnertyPersonally,
I believe I will always feel extremely grateful for the way
Russ...<p>Personally,
I believe I will always feel extremely grateful for the way
Russia recently "stepped in" -- to deter an Israeli pre-emptive<em>
</em>strike on Iran -- in the manner described (in the
Russian language with English translations) in parts of the
video at the following address:<br><a href="http://www.larouchepac.com/node/20565" title="http://www.larouchepac.com/node/20565">http://www.larouchepac.com/node/20565</a><br><br>Had
Russia not "stepped in" this way, which involved putting many of
their military people in harm's way, I'm more than
half-convinced we might all have been well and truly frazzled
(from nuclear radiation and suchlike) by now.<br><br>What
makes me feel all the more grateful for this particular piece
of Russian action, is that the rest of world -- on the face of
things at least -- all appear (to me) have stood back and done
nothing whatsoever of any value to prevent a catastrophic
escalation of the present warmongering now taking place in and
around the Middle East, and more recently in and around North
Western Australia as well.<br><br>There is the ongoing worry though
that the threat of a soon-to-be thermonuclear WW3 has by no
means fully past (I believe), for reasons such as those very
recently put forward at:<br><a href="http://www.larouchepac.com/node/20671" title="http://www.larouchepac.com/node/20671">http://www.larouchepac.com/node/20671</a><br><br>One
final point: action of the kind Russia took in this particular
situation, seems to me to really show up the major
inadequacies of having to rely solely on such things as street
protests, huffing and puffing on talk-shows, Internet
articles/comments, and so on: in connection with such
extremely dangerous and tricky situations.<br><br>"Never send
a boy on a man's
errand" seems to me to be the main lesson of this recent
Russian intervention.<br>
<br>
<b>Epilogue:</b><br>
<br>
"To the Celts (or <b>Keltoi</b> as the ancient Greeks called them), the<b>
Esker Riada</b> was know as 'An Slí Mór': which means 'The Great
Highway'. According to the Greeks, and as alluded to in Homer's epic
poem the Odyssey (in Book XI, line 16), written around the 8th century
BC, the <b>Celts seem to owe their origins</b> to the much earlier <b>
Cimmerian</b> and <b>Scythian</b> peoples: who, in the very dawn of
human history, are believed to have inhabited parts of the area now
known as the <b>Ukraine</b> (in Russia)."<br>
<br>
The above excerpt is from:<br>
<a href="http://homepage.eircom.net/~williamfinnerty/chaplefinnerty/esker/riada1.htm" title="http://homepage.eircom.net/~williamfinnerty/chaplefinnerty/esker/riada1.htm">http://homepage.eircom.net/~williamfinnerty/chaplefinne...1.htm</a></p>@ the Zionist Felixhttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2863042011-12-07T18:53:18+00:00'Frank Adam'= Proven LIAR, Denis MacEoinFelix if you think that the words and putrid-reasoning of the openly racist idio...Felix if you think that the words and putrid-reasoning of the openly racist idiot Caroline Glick are in anyway worthy of serious consideration you are probably in the wrong place.<br><br>You and Denis MacEoin should team-up and open your own website where you can both cuddle up together and argue over the merits (or lack of same) of the brain-dead paranoia and complete dissociation from reality, so frequently displayed by Zionist Racists such as Ms Glick<br>Well put Frankhttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2863052011-12-07T21:02:02+00:00JnrFrank, I think you have scared "Rosenbud" back to life, that can only be her ran...<P>Frank, I think you have scared "Rosenbud" back to life, that can only be her ranting liar liar.</P>
<P>Declan, comical posts, nearly as good as your 9/11 theories.</P>
<P>The learned leftist pro palestinian terrorist supporters are few and far between in Ireland (thank God, Allah or whoever he might be) as anyone can see from the "huge" protest at the Isaraeli film festival.</P>
<P>But shure hey, let them rant on here, its their little ego trip, no-one else in the country really pays them any heed.</P>
<P> </P>There's plenty of evidence of the dishonesty of Denis MacEoin/'Frank Adam'http://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2863072011-12-07T22:12:49+00:00Denis MacEoin and his Lieshttp://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2007/dec/20/thi...tives"But last week, B...<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2007/dec/20/thinktanks.conservatives" title="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2007/dec/20/thinktanks.conservatives">http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2007/dec/20/thi...tives</a><br></p><p>"But last week, BBC's Newsnight programme - previously not shy
of running inflammatory items itself on the Muslim community - revealed
that a forensic examination of five receipts provided by Policy Exchange
for the material had found them to be either faked, written by the same
person, and/or were not issued by the mosques in question. A sixth
receipt was also regarded as unreliable.</p><p><span style="font-weight: bold;">It might be supposed that
receipts from the other 20 mosques were nevertheless found to be
authentic and that Policy Exchange's basic case held. Not so.</span> Newsnight
didn't have the resources to check them. But it has since emerged that
in one of these cases, Edinburgh central mosque, the mosque authorities
insist books said by Policy Exchange to have been found there were in
fact dumped in its grounds after the report was published. In another,
the Times has this week had to publish an apology to East London mosque
chairman Dr Muhammad Abdul Bari, after reporting Policy Exchange's claim
that the mosque was selling extremist literature.</p><p>Yesterday I
contacted yet another mosque, Rochdale Central, claimed by Policy
Exchange to have provided a receipt for extremist literature. No, said
the imam, Hafiz Ikram, "we haven't got a bookshop and we don't sell
books. Once or twice a year, people set up stalls in the carpark outside
the mosque after Friday prayers, but they have nothing to do with us."
<span style="font-weight: bold;">That makes all nine receipts so far investigated either fabricated or
inaccurate.</span>"</p>Denis MacEoin/Frank Adam - Confirmed Bigot & Confirmed Liarhttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2863092011-12-07T23:26:46+00:00Anti-MacEoinismhttp://www.islamophobia-watch.com/islamophobia-watch/20....htmlDenis MacEoin who...<br><a href="http://www.islamophobia-watch.com/islamophobia-watch/20....html" title="http://www.islamophobia-watch.com/islamophobia-watch/20....html">http://www.islamophobia-watch.com/islamophobia-watch/20....html</a><br><br>Denis MacEoin who was responsible for the discredited Policy Exchange report <span style="font-style: italic;">The Hijacking of British Islam</span> among other axe-grinding anti-Muslim "studies", has posted a review of Gilbert Achcar's book The Arabs and the Holocaust on the Amazon website. - <a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/review/RDE9JCNXC19TK/ref=cm_cr_dp_cmt?ie=UTF8&ASIN=0863566391&nodeID=266239&tag=&linkCode=" title="http://www.amazon.co.uk/review/RDE9JCNXC19TK/ref=cm_cr_dp_cmt?ie=UTF8&ASIN=0863566391&nodeID=266239&tag=&linkCode=">http://www.amazon.co.uk/review/RDE9JCNXC19TK/ref=cm_cr_...Code=</a><br><br>Not that MacEoin has actually bought the book, much less read it.<br><br>But he has no hesitation in warning potential purchasers that Achcar is an unreliable historian, beginning with the charge that <span style="font-weight: bold;">"He's an Arab...."</span><br><br>As one of the comments on MacEoin's "review" points out: <span style="font-style: italic;">"One can imagine the uproar from you and your ilk if the assertion you make was followed by 'He's a Jew'."</span><br><br>Just as there is plenty of evidence for MacEoin's dishonesty and bigotry when operating under his real name, there is also plenty of evidence for his dishonesty and bigotry when posting here at Indymedia.ie using the pseudonym 'Frank Adam' (which i suppose is MacEoin's fairly pathetic attempt to portray himself as an 'honest (Frank) man (Adam)')<span style="font-style: italic;"><br></span>It gets worse, though . . . .http://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2863102011-12-08T00:11:22+00:00Anti-Maceoinism Further down the Amazon page linked to in my previous comment i found this litt... Further down the Amazon page linked to in my previous comment i found this little gem:<br><span style="font-style: italic;">"I see that you gave a glowing review on Amazon to Beth Maceoin's
'Homeopathy: The Practical Guide for the 21st Century' but neglected to
mention that you were the author's husband. Perhaps you should have done
so.</span><br><br><span style="font-style: italic;">It gets worse than this though, doesn't it Denis? You also
write novels under the pen-name Daniel Easterman and then post glowing
reviews of them on Amazon under your real name."<br><br></span>So,not only does Denis MacEoin/Frank Adam review his wee wifies books on Amazon, without declaring that he is married to the author, he also reviews his own books, written under the pseudonym 'Daniel Easterman'<span style="font-style: italic;">, </span><span style="font-weight: bold;">in his own name without declaring that he his the author reviewing his own books</span><span style="font-style: italic;">!<br><br></span>hahahahahahahahahahah<br><br>Denis MacEoin/'Frank Adam' - you really have no shame at all, at all, have you?<br><br>Your talents for engaging in pure narcissism and outright deception are extraordinary<span style="font-style: italic;">, </span>even by the fairly high-standards set by your fellow Zionists and Anti-Muslim bigots<span style="font-style: italic;">.<br></span><br>No wonder that you teamed up with that other legendary racist, fantasist, and all-round Zionist Liar, Daniel Pipes (<a href="http://islamophobiawatcher.blogspot.com/2007/07/ah-ha-and-idiot.html" title="http://islamophobiawatcher.blogspot.com/2007/07/ah-ha-and-idiot.html">http://islamophobiawatcher.blogspot.com/2007/07/ah-ha-a....html</a>) - you two make a perfect pair<span style="font-style: italic;"><br></span>Vital issue of leadership for Jewish people and Israelhttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2863132011-12-08T09:45:44+00:00Felix QuigleyTo those who attack Frank Adam in this ad hominem way you should realize that yo...<P>To those who attack Frank Adam in this ad hominem way you should realize that you cannot win like this, no more than could the Stalinists against Leon Trotsky. You may win a few temporarily but you cannot win in the long road.</P>
<P>There are vital issues concerning the destruction of the gadhafi Libyan Government and now I focus on what is happening in Syria</P>
<P><SPAN>Frank Adam has written above in a piece which ranges over many issues but it is on Libya that I wish to focus because that also draws us in to dealing not in abstractions but into what is happening in Syria:</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN><SPAN><EM><STRONG>As for Gadaffi I remember the Colonel’s seizure of power – so constitutional – and such a brilliant example of the nasties of the Arab World: sending agents to try and push poisoned sweets at the children of exiles and shooting an unarmed police woman from the window of an embassy - model respect for international law! </STRONG></EM></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN>"It is clear from this that you more or less took the same position towards the NATO/Muslim Brotherhood war on Muammar Gadhafi that Mark Humphry has taken and this is the problem, and a very big problem indeed it is.</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN>In this respect many of the left people on this site Indymedia are OBJECTIVELY FAR MORE OF A FRIEND to Israel than you and Mark Humphry actually are.</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN>That is the sad dialectic of the situation in Ireland today.</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN>I am saying that any person who did not instinctively and actually defend Gadhafi against the lies of NATO and the World Wide Media cannot in all reality<STRONG><EM> be a true friend to Israel.</EM></STRONG></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN>The most dangerous enemy of Israel today is not the Arab Governments, or the Iranian Government, but it is the US Government, because the former are open in their hostility to Israel and in essence to Jews, but the US poses as a friend to Israel, but is actually in league with Arab oil, and sticks a knife into the back of Israel at every turn.</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN>The correct position for Israeli leadership to take towards the war by NATO on Gadhafi was not isolationist, but to state in open language that they were totally opposed to the war on Muammar Gadhafi, that while there were serious political differences with Gadhafi, while this war on Gadhafi was going on that they Israel would line up with Gadhafi and against NATO.</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN>Exactly the same situation was seen in the NATO/Muslim Brotherhood in Tunisia, Egypt, Ivory Coast, and now in Syria.</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN>Of all of these Syria is the most important because the rest are over and major defeats have happened and Syria is the present.</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN><STRONG>Forget Frank Adam and Mark Humphrey…that is the past.</STRONG></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN>A new leadership is needed among Jews and in Zionism.</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN>I say that Israel should defend Assad AGAINST NATO<EM><STRONG> unconditionally</STRONG></EM></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN>This way of thinking may seem strange to people like Adam and Humphrey, but then they have never met a real Trotskyist movement fighting for principle in the confused politics of present day life.</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN>My language on this is clear and is concrete.</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN><SPAN>1.<SPAN> </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN>Israel should express its solidarity with Assad and against NATO/Muslim Brotherhood/World Wide Media etc.</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN><SPAN>2.<SPAN> </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN>Israel should offer an alliance, both verbal and physical, with Assad against those who are also the bitter enemies of the Jews and Israel, against <STRONG>NATO, the US, Clinton Cameron sarkozy and all, against the Muslim Brotherhood Jihadists</STRONG></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN><SPAN>3.<SPAN> </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN>At the same time Israel must make clear that it opposes all signs of anti-Semitism, of the Arabs and of the Iranian leadership, and that it will also do everything in its power to defend its country against attack</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN>In fact, Assad, just as did Gadhafi towards the end, has done a great favour to Israel, to socialists, and to all Jews who fight to defend Israel. It is a favour of incalculable benefit, and to all real socialists.</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN>What is this favour? Assad in his interview with Barbara Walters has last night called the UN and the World Wide Media for what it actually is, a bunch of disreputable liars</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN>(speaking from my memory of the interview broadcast on BBC) Barbara Walters asked Assad what about the reports of the Media about the killings by the Army, and in the eyes of the Media there is always a focus on a child.</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN>Assad replied let us have the reports with documentation and stated that the Media was disreputable.</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN>Beaten back on that one Barbara Walters then countered by saying “But the UN also has made reports on these killings”</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN>Quick as a flash Assad states to Walters that the UN is a discredited organization.</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN>Walters countered by saying “But you send Ambassadors to the UN”</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN>Assad was not to be outdone by this journalistic hag and let her know in no unmistakable terms that “The UN is a game. We are all playing the game (at the UN)</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN>Until socialists break from this sickly support of the UN, and even worse in the case of the SWP, of NATO, then there can be no socialist leadership AT ALL in Ireland.</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN>Assad has helped this along immensely. This bourgeois Arab nationalist politician has given a huge impetus to real socialists</SPAN></P>Evidently geographic islolation is contributory to conspiracy theories!http://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2863172011-12-08T14:44:12+00:00Frank AdamIt seems friend Finnerty prefers to be kosher vapourised by an Iranian nuke than...<P>It seems friend Finnerty prefers to be kosher vapourised by an Iranian nuke than hallal fried by an Israeli nuke - if existent? He is certainly right that there is still an N- risk in the Middle East. However on precedent it is from those who..." love death more than the West loves life," then bring up their children in the misbegotten frame of mind that being a martyr and or kamikaze is the proper thing to rear children in! They may yet have reason to regret what they pray for because as in a previous era there are a lot of people about who would welcome any excuse to finally get rid of the religious blinkered who think it is more important to mither hard working families with the fripperies of prayer rites and details of congregational uniform than to earn an honest living, pay cash on the nail and get a life!</P>
<P>For the "bretheren" living in delusions of mistaken identity, I challenge them to list a single alleged lie from each of my contributions to this thread, or any other. </P>
<P>While I have had two or three Moslem colleagues in my career, and several tens of Moslem pupils, I have never been involved in mosque finances, nor published a book - yet, though this site is suggesting an idea. </P>'..model respect for international law..'http://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2863182011-12-08T14:47:57+00:00opus diablosIs that the same Felix who regularly posts here defending Israel??That gre...<br>Is that the same Felix who regularly posts here defending Israel??That great paragon of international piracy and assassination...not least under the falsified aegis of forged Irish passports. <br>And then you follow that with a call for the demolition of the UN, rather than the required reform?Very internationalist....but then it seems you are again seeking the balkanisation of the planet to suit the global dividers as exemplified by apartheid Zion. Perhaps you could enlighten us as to the source of your version of international law. The Knesset?The Talmud?<br><br>Was Trotsky also as consistent as yourself?<br>Are Israel, Syria, and Iran being used as primers WW3 ignition?http://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2863332011-12-09T09:29:06+00:00W. Finnerty‘West’s policy on Syria could ignite WWIII’
“President Obama is act...<strong>‘West’s policy on Syria could ignite WWIII’<br></strong>
<br>
<em>“President Obama is acting on a British geopolitical plan to force a
confrontation with Russia and China, a military confrontation of which Syrian
and<b> </b>Iran<b> </b>would nearly be the ignition point,”</em> Freeman
explained. <em>“But the real goal is a war to stop the progress that Russia and
China are engulfed in.”<br>
<br>
</em>The above excerpts are from:
<a href="http://rt.com/news/syria-iran-russia-china-921/" title="http://rt.com/news/syria-iran-russia-china-921/">http://rt.com/news/syria-iran-russia-china-921/</a><br>
<br>
See also:<br>
<br>
<b>"Russian election watchdog in cahoots with US to discredit Duma poll"
</b><br>
<a href="http://rt.com/news/election-america-golos-support-393/" title="http://rt.com/news/election-america-golos-support-393/">http://rt.com/news/election-america-golos-support-393/</a> illicit israeli nuclear program not part of NPT. we must have sanctions, & all options on the tablehttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2863362011-12-09T15:33:44+00:00leftyfrank adam said : "than hallal fried by an Israeli nuke - if existent? "ve...<span style="font-style: italic; text-decoration: underline;">frank adam said :</span><span style="font-style: italic;"> </span><span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;">"than hallal fried by an Israeli nuke - if existent? "</span><br><br>very glad you brought that up frank<br><br>from this statement it is clear that frank is an official Israeli apologist / propagandist. He is seeking to perpetuate the Israeli denial of the existence of Israeli nukes even though the dogs in the street know that Israel has 200+ nukes thanks to the courage of Mordechai Vanunu.<br><br>The reason this denial continues and the punishment of Mordechai Vanunu was so spiteful (even though if what frank is suggesting means he must have just made up a story? is fantasy a serious crime in Israel? can't have it both ways Frank!!! :D )<br>is because<span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"> the US cannot give aid to countries with illicit nuclear programs not belonging to and adhering to the NPT</span> yet the US gives billions of aid every year to israel. If Israel admitted to having these nukes all these years then they could no longer get all these billions of (mainly military) aid and might have to pay back a few billion to the US taxpayer in these austere times.<br><br>tell me frankly frank does israel have nukes or not? yes or no.<br><br>If there is an illicit israeli nuclear program not part of NPT. we must have immediate sanctions, possibly an airstrike with bunker busters & all options remain on the table. <br>or perhaps that response is too hysterical for you frank? <br>Hmmm... exactly where have I heard such words before? <br><br>Total Hypocrisy!!<br><br>How to be out of date - and Manichean!http://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2863372011-12-09T15:42:01+00:00Frank AdamDoes Obama really need a British geopolitcal plan? Since the 1920 Washingt...<p>Does Obama really need a British geopolitcal plan? Since the 1920 Washington Naval Treaty the US has been fairly consistent in heaving bricks through British windows.</p>
<p>What makes rt any more reliable than Fox news?</p>
<p>Since when does Iran not have ambitions to impose its variant of Islam on the Moslem World - and the rest of us?</p>
Treatieshttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2863382011-12-09T16:13:49+00:00Frank AdamNations are not, and usually can not be obliged to sign treaties (any more than ...<P>Nations are not, and usually can not be obliged to sign treaties (any more than persons can be obliged to marrry) as can be seen by the obstinate refusals of Syria and Iraq to sign a peace treaty with Israel. For that matter it is not obligatory to sign up to being a member of the UN which Switzerland refrained from till very recently. Vice versa also applies given the European Nato members refused to have Spain in till Franco croaked.</P>
<P>Sovereignty matters even with small nations and for citizens of a small nation that spent half its history objecting to the neighbour's meddling some of you can be remarkably imperialist at times.</P>
<P>What is illegal and illicit is to sign a treaty eg the NPT as Iran has, and then break it.</P>
<P>Before you admire Vanunu too warmly consider that it is precisely his action that has needlessly accelerated the Middle East chemical and nuclear arms races which till then were basically frozen. It is Arab parties and Iranian extremists who call for Israel to be destroyed or to vanish. Israel has never reciprocated and certainly does not, never has, rattled nuclear prospects - after all the Arabs do it so well for her - rather like you never saw Vera Lynn be nasty to anybody - because she had Harry Lewis to do it for her!</P>
<P>If that all ends with the Jamkaran Mosque in North Tehran from which the Shia Twelfth Imam is supposed to materialise going up in a mushroom cloud along with the other "Holy Cities" then many people will not be sorry, especially if the aggressively proselytising Shiia Iranians also take a pot shot at Rome as well as Israel.</P>Frank/Denis MacEoin, you're not fooling anyone with your lying nonsensehttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2863392011-12-09T16:28:59+00:00tsk tsk FrankieProven Anti-Muslim bigot, proven liar and party to forgery Denis MacEoin/F...Proven Anti-Muslim bigot, proven liar and party to forgery <span style="font-weight: bold;">Denis MacEoin/Frank Adam said:</span> <span style="font-style: italic;">"For the "bretheren" living in delusions of mistaken identity," </span><br><br>No Delusions here Denis - I know you are Denis M. MacEoin - noted Anti-Muslim bigot, proven liar and party to forgery. Anyone that wants to compare the silly, narcissistic buffoonish terribly-turgid rambling mostly-off-topic evasive off-the-cuff prosestyle of Denis MacEoin with that of our own putrid Frankie-boy can simply click on the Amazon.com link posted above to see how similar are Denis's and wee Frankie's hate-filled cluless rambling rant (And don't worry if he deletes it - I've got it saved ;-) <br><br> <span style="font-style: italic;">"I
challenge them to list a single alleged lie from each of my
contributions to this thread, or any other. "</span><br><br>Oh that's just toooooo easy Denis - all I have to do is look at the comment I just quoted from - there are at least 2 lies in that comment.<br><br>The first blatant deliberate LIE was your attempt to imply that Iran has an active nuclear weapons program - we all know that is a lie - if there were ANY evidence for it the US would have found it by now, after examing the intel received from the 4 yrs of drone flights they have been conducting over Iran, or from the images/sig-intel gathered by the satelittes they have trained on Iran for decades. <br><br>The second lie was when you tried to maintain that Israel DOES NOT have a (very active and dangerous) nuclear weapons programme<br><br>Seriously Denis, this silly blustering buffonish carry -on of your's indicates that you think everyone else is as thick as you yourself are - <br><br><br>Another Blatant deliberate Lie from Denis MacEoin - Noted Bigot, Proven Liar and party to forgeryhttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2863402011-12-09T16:35:30+00:00tsk tsk DenisDenis you little menace - as soon as I answer your silly demand to provide evide...Denis you little menace - as soon as I answer your silly demand to provide evidence of your lies, you go and do it again!! - <br><br><span style="font-style: italic;">"What is illegal and illicit is to sign a treaty eg the NPT as Iran has, and then break it."</span><br><br>Iran has never broken the NPT - ever! You simply stating over and over and over and over . . . (ad neasuem) that they have, won't make it so, Denis. You Zio-Racists are so weird - you think that if you just scream whatever lies you like that they will somehow magically come true<br><br>Plaese stop lying Denis - that's a minimum of 3 blatant deliberate lies you have told in just 2 comments<br>Assad must be defended against NATO/Muslim Brotherhoodhttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2863442011-12-10T11:59:29+00:00Felix QuigleyThis is mainly rubbish. Syria is not a warm up it is the real thing. To say it i...<P><SPAN>This is mainly rubbish. Syria is not a warm up it is the real thing. To say it is a warm up is to say that Libya was a warm up. It is rubbish talking like that.</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN>The central question for socialists is how the SWP in Ireland addressed Libya. The SWP joined with NATO and with the new friends of NATO in the Muslim Brotherhood to depose the legal government in Libya.</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN>Except that this is not REALLY new at all. NATO in the Balkans joined with the Nazi Izetbegovic against the Bosnian Serbs, and NATO joined with the KLA racists in Kosovo to tear Kosovo away from Serbia, and to really ethnically cleanse Kosovo of Serbs, jews and Gypsies (Romany)</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN>Syria is not a dress rehearsal. People have to state clearly (Opus Diablos never states anything clearly…clear sign of a troll) where they stand on Syria. I am saying that Assad must be defended with everything possible.</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN>Also Russia can look after itself against these pygmies in the BBC Jihad against Russia and China.</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN>I offer a prediction: Putin will emerge out of this conspiracy by Clinton, the BBC, Human Rights Watch et al much strengthened in Russia</SPAN></P>
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<P><SPAN>The situation in Syria is just a warm-up before a real confrontation, which will draw Russia and China into action, believes Lawrence Freeman from the Executive Intelligence Review magazine.</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN>­Russia and China are rightly worried about what is behind the policy of the US and its allies in Syria and Iran, Freeman told RT.</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN>“President Obama is acting on a British geopolitical plan to force a confrontation with Russia and China, a military confrontation of which Syrian and Iran would nearly be the ignition point,”</SPAN><SPAN> Freeman explained. “But the real goal is a war to stop the progress that Russia and China are engulfed in.”</SPAN></P>A prediction: Putin will emerge much stronger!http://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2863462011-12-10T12:11:50+00:00Felix QuigleyW Finnerty
Thanks for the valuable links to RT
In my opinion the second l...<P>W Finnerty</P>
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<P>In my opinion the second link you mention bears out my prediction. the Russians under Putin are well able to handle this hag Clinton</P>
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<P>Putin will win this and Clinton will lose. Expect Putin to use this inside Russia in a big way.</P>
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<P>None of this alters my position on the great danger to Jews and Israel from the Iranian Nuclear Bomb and that is connected to the story at top so this is all relevant</P>The UN is and always will be Imperialism in actionhttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2863472011-12-10T12:23:01+00:00Felix QuigleyOpus diablos
you write "And then you follow that with a call for the demo...<P>Opus diablos</P>
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<P>you write "And then you follow that with a call for the demolition of the UN, rather than the required reform?"</P>
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<P>Who would ever call for the reform of the UN except somebody who supported the SWP ireland in the UN/NATO destruction of Libya, and the murder of Muammar Gadhafi?</P>
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<P>No revolutionary socialist worth his salt would support the UN in the slightest, but would call for its destruction totally. TYhe UN IS Imperialism!</P>
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<P>Opus what about that CIA plant in the SWP, you never did come clean on that.</P>
<P> </P>Reductio Ad absurdumhttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2863522011-12-10T19:44:00+00:00lefty(not so) "Frank" Adams said: "What is illegal and illicit is to sign a treaty eg...(not so) "Frank" Adams said:<span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"> "What is illegal and illicit is to sign a treaty eg the NPT as Iran has, and then break it."</span><span style="font-style: italic;"><br><br></span>Sooo<span style="font-style: italic;">o by that logic, Iran should just leave the NPT altogether then everything would be peachy and the sanctions and threats and media hatchet campaigns would immediately stop and they would be treated just like Israel is now? And they could maybe start a nuclear weapons program and build up oh, say, 200+ nukes just like Israel without a murmur?<br><br><br></span><span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"><br></span>. . .Addendum . . . .http://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2863542011-12-10T23:40:13+00:00'Frank Adam'= Denis MacEoinAnd they could maybe start a nuclear weapons program and build up oh, say,...<span style="font-style: italic;">And they could maybe start a nuclear weapons program and build up oh, say, 200+ nukes just like Israel . . . "<br><br></span> . . . .without a murmur from a bigotted Anti-Muslim proven LIAR and party to forgery like Denis MAcEoin, or from a completely deluded crypto-National-Socialist like Zionist Felix Quigley??<span style="font-style: italic;"><br></span>The Grand "Secret" Alliance between US Government and the Muslim Brotherhoodhttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2863562011-12-11T08:24:31+00:00Felix QuigleyIt is a disease, this (so called) left world outlook, to them everything is inve...<P><SPAN>It is a disease, this (so called) left world outlook, to them everything is inverted and the world is truly upside down. So Iran is not a problem for Israel even though it has nonstop been calling Israel a cancer, for years now, and there is just the possibility to put it at its very weakest that they prepare nuclear bombs. Place the two together, their language and the possibility and that should make any left person think…danger</SPAN></P>
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<P><SPAN>Take a good researcher like F. William Engdahl and you have some terrific research concerning the US Empire, even referring to the valuable concept “creative destruction” in his first paragraph, but read further and he views the world almost upside down also. <STRONG><EM>(Egypt's revolution: Creative Destruction for a "greater Middle East" by F. William Engdahl of Feb 5, 2011)</EM></STRONG></SPAN></P>
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<P><SPAN>Move down to paragraph 5 and he is claiming that Mubarak represented a major obstacle to the US in the region.</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN>The blindness of Engdahl on this score is massive. The reason that Mubarak (as well as Gadhafi, Baghbo, Ben Ali) had to be defeated by the US Empire was and is precisely the opposite to what Engdahl claims.</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN>Engdahl says that Mubarak was opposed to the US policy towards Iran, and by this Engdahl means that Mubarak was on the side of Iran, and was opposed to the position of Israel, who feared Iran with a deep fear.</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN>In the mind of Engdahl (on Feb 5 2011) there is Israel backed by the US on the one hand, and on the other there are the Arabs and Iran, who are opposed to Israel and the US.</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN>But this was not so, in February. The situation had changed and now the US was on the side of "extreme Islam" and was no longer on the side of Israel. Engdahl had missed this totally.</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN>Not at all what Engdahl thinks</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN>The situation had turned around and this is what Engdahl somehow missed.</SPAN></P>
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<P><SPAN>Mubarak was also, like Israel, petrified by Iran.</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN>So was Gadhafi!</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN>So was Ben Ali!</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN>So are the Algerians and so are almost all of the Arab Governments and leaders because all of these leaders are petrified of the Muslim Brotherhood and the power of warlike Islam across their borders.</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN>And Engdahl has precisely, spectacularly missed out on the real reason and rationale behind the US NEW policy under Obama and Clinton (but in truth it was there in more disguised form under all previous Presidents, and I mean all including Reagan)</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN>And what is this reason that Engdahl so spectacularly misses.</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN>The reason must be writ in large letters in the minds of all true socialists and progressive people in the world today.</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN>The forces of Imperialism have joined (and if we ask why it is at least partly to do with the economic/political crisis at home) with the forces of Islam as represented by the Muslim Brotherhood, and it is working very well indeed, as seen in the victory some 68 per cent and counting of the Muslim Brotherhood in the pivotal Arab country…Egypt.</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN>They keep this alliance, a grand alliance, hidden and they do have to keep it well under wraps, but it is obvious and <STRONG><EM><U>it is there</U></EM></STRONG> for all to see.</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN>Note that this is quite different from say the alliance of Bush with Saudis. This is an alliance not with the Wahhabis but with the far more dangerous and extensive Muslim Brotherhood. This is essentially Obama and Clinton in action, an extension more than anything else of the alliance between Bill Clinton and Izetbegovic, which was in the final analysis an alliance between Bill Clinton and an active member of the Muslim Brotherhood, in league with the Nazis, in the Holocaust of the Jews, Romany and Serbs in the Balkans in the years from 1939 to 1945.</SPAN></P>and felix goes catty...http://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2863582011-12-11T11:27:17+00:00opus diablos..when he cannot answer the issues he himself raises and decides I am a member o.....when he cannot answer the issues he himself raises and decides I am a member of SWP and obviously a troll because I insist on him sticking to his original story.<br><br>All your Trotskyist worship and you appear to have forgotten the cliched warning of his mentor, Marx, that religion is the opiate to be just said NO to.<br><br>But felix goes on his merry way, abusing, obfucating, dodging, smearing, twisting, diverting into ad hominems when the water gets too hot and his contradictions and inconsistencies are exposed....and all in the name of his DEIFIED idol Trotsky. Time you dropped your hasbara pipe-dreams, felix, the balance is gone west altogether.<br><br><br>Funny thing, felix, but I had arguments with the SWP and Eamonn McCann on the selfsame issue...quarter of a century back. As I recall they had the same adoration of the trotter as you seem to. Thats the trouble with concrete faith, it builds walls of delusion, like Israel's apartheid wall or your racist/sectarian demonisation of Arabs, Muslims, Iran and any who dont conform to your orthodox dogmas.....now that I think of it one of my ongoing problems with so many self-appointed left puritans, ever-ready to dictate for the proles.<br><br>You're so off track your face down in your own self-dug hole. Anyone with the attention span of a gnat can see who is trolling and pumping slurry on this thread.<br><br><br>As for Frank and his assertion that Vanunu is reponsible for the arms race escalation in the region....where do we go after that?<br><br>No doubt it was Martin Luther King Jr instigated the slave trade.<br><br><br>Shalom.<br>funny you should say that opus....http://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2863622011-12-11T15:39:40+00:00leftySunday Satireits sunday so since I can't follow the absurdity of frank saying Va...<span style="font-weight: bold;">Sunday Satire</span><br><br>its sunday so since I can't follow the absurdity of frank saying Vanunu was responsible for the arms race in the middle east and since "po-tweet" was already used by kurt vonnegut in "slaughterhouse 5" as a response to the firebombing of Dresden, I thought some humourous links might be appropriate to give people a satirical laugh on their sunday in the face of all these psychotic paranoid and dangerous religiously deluded ravings. <br><br><span style="font-weight: bold;">"Civil rights act made racism slightly less overt.....</span>"<br><a href="http://www.theonion.com/video/landmark-civil-rights-act-made-racism-slightly-les,21352/" title="http://www.theonion.com/video/landmark-civil-rights-act-made-racism-slightly-les,21352/">http://www.theonion.com/video/landmark-civil-rights-act...1352/</a><br><br>(sorry about the advert!)<br><br>Enjoy the dripping satire of the onion for a while. <br><br>If you tire of that, try this for size for a laugh:<br><span style="font-weight: bold;">"Suck my veto palestine"</span><br><a href="http://fknnewz.com/?tubepress_page=2" title="http://fknnewz.com/?tubepress_page=2">http://fknnewz.com/?tubepress_page=2</a><br><br><br>Ever more ridiculoushttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2863702011-12-11T22:15:56+00:00Frank AdamGo back and re-read the text. Vanunu's information accelerated ...<P>Go back and re-read the text. Vanunu's information accelerated the arms race unduly. </P>
<P>Meanwhile the conversation has become ever more ignorant of what is needed to create peace in the Arab World which is essentially angry with itself for not living up to its historic self image; and venting that anger on anybody it can - in the case of Israel which is close by and small so an easy target for bullies in the region and the intellectually feeble elsewhere.</P>
<P>Regardless of what you think about the imperialism of maritime Europe, the Arab and Moslem world have no bad consciences about their imperialism and are out to take over what they can so do not be surprised at another bloody century of wars of religion - or freedom from religious bigots - across the World.</P>
<P>Do not be surprised if Newt Gingrich for utterly US internal reasons, wins the US presidency this time next year and cuts the US 50% contribution to UNWRA as a budget economy. </P>The Brits rush to the aid of the NGOshttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2863762011-12-12T09:49:10+00:00Felix QuigleyOpus Diablos keep to the topic
Of far more importance in Ireland in relat...<P>Opus Diablos keep to the topic</P>
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<P>Of far more importance in Ireland in relation to this protest against Jews showing a film is that they are going to be stopped mobilising against Israel in Israel</P>
<P>Their friends the brits are in no way pleased</P>
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<P>But the Brits rush to the aid of the IPSC</P>
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<DIV><B><SPAN><EM>LITTLE WILLIE CRAPS IN HIS ETON PANTS COZ HIS BABY THE PLO IS HAVING ITS NGO FUNDING CUT</EM></SPAN></B></DIV>'..keep to the topic..'http://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2863782011-12-12T10:45:50+00:00opus diablosYou're rich, felix.For most of this thread i've been trying to get you to keep t...You're rich, felix.<br><br>For most of this thread i've been trying to get you to keep to the issue you raised regarding Arab states, Hamas and Hizbollah willingness to end the conflict which Israel is waging and escalating against a civilian population incarcerated in reservations such as Gaza and the West Bank enclaves behind its apartheid wall.<br><br>Again I ask, how can the ordinary Palestinian men women and children against whom this ethnic and territorially acquisitive war is being escalated daily have a say in ending a conflict Tel Aviv wil not even slacken its pace of increasing by daily dispossession and brutal evictions?<br>Its like asking the Polish civilians not to be so harsh on the poor German bayonettes as steel is in short supply. A little consideration pleeeese.<br><br>As for frank and his Vanunu qualifier, I apologise; so your accusing Vanunu of accelerating the arms race is only equivalent to accusing Gandhi of accelerating British brutality in India 'unduly'.<br><br>And felix, when you've finished bashing your Eton willy over the PLO I'd like to remind you that Britannia's elder brainchild via Balfour was actually the Zionist Stern Gang and Irgun terrorist installed Tel Aviv colonial enterprise for the subjugation of the region to the transAtlantic WASP imperial agenda of oil monopolisation as the steam age of industrialisation transited to its new post-coal and pre-nuclear stage.<br><br>So any chance, felix, you return to the list you dragged in and respond to YOUR first issue?<br><br>Then we can address the second. One of us has to pay attention.<br>Hague is clearly defending the IPSC so are you defending Hague Opus?http://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2863802011-12-12T11:12:50+00:00Felix QuigleyAnd felix, when you've finished bashing your Eton willy over the PLO I'd like to...<P>And felix, when you've finished bashing your Eton willy over the PLO I'd like to remind you that Britannia's elder brainchild via Balfour was actually the Zionist Stern Gang and Irgun terrorist installed Tel Aviv colonial enterprise for the subjugation of the region to the transAtlantic WASP imperial agenda of oil monopolisation as the steam age of industrialisation transited to its new post-coal and pre-nuclear stage.<BR><BR>WOW!</P>
<P>YOU really are something else Opus!</P>
<P>Strip away the verbiage and you will see</P>
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<P>1. I am bashing Hague</P>
<P>2. You Opus are (if words are to mean anything) defending Hague</P>
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<P>It really is child's play exposing you lot who masquerade as lefties outside the Israeli Embassy. It really is SO obvious, and that reminds me of when you went soooo easy on the CIA plant that was inside the SWP, and also therefore inside the boat flotilla</P>
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<P>It is clear that in all truth you are the creation and perhaps agents of the British</P>
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<P>But I do not know you or who you are, I can only go on the words you write.</P>
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<P>So then answer more clearly...why is hague rushing to the support of these NGOs?</P>'I can only go..http://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2863812011-12-12T11:46:55+00:00opus diablos..on the words you write.'Precisely. Now any chance you justify the words you wr.....on the words you write.'<br><br>Precisely. <br><br>Now any chance you justify the words you wrote putting the onus on innocent Palestinians to end the conflict Israel continues to escalate daily?<br><br>The comments you made are stil there to be read, despite your and frank's best efforts to drown them in ad hominems, red-herring sauce and pure voluminous noise.<br>Then we can continue. <br><br>Me?, I'm just sticking to the topic <span style="font-style: italic;">you </span>raised.<br>Try it. <br>Teshuvah and<br>Shalom.<br>the familiar ring of zionist propagandahttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/100968#comment2863882011-12-12T15:54:40+00:00JoeMcWell done tsk tsk for exposing the fact that Frank Adam is the racist bigot aka ...Well done tsk tsk for exposing the fact that Frank Adam is the racist bigot aka Professor Denis MacEoin . Newcastle and Edinburgh universities should never have allowed a racist document forger who is also a writer of bog-level fantasy literature to land any sort of a job as a university professor, but engaging an Islamophobic louse such as MacEoin to teach Islamic history and culture is like a university department that is dedicated to the study of Jewish history employing the likes of David Irving as a lecturer . <br><br>
Israel uses cinema to project an image of itself that isn’t a brutal and repressive one . Towards that end the apartheid state has been promoting soft-focus-on-Israel film weeks such as this one over a number of years <br><br>
Two years ago WSWS reported a protest against the Toromto Film Festival’s promotion of the city of Tel Aviv . Organizers of the protest - many of them Israelis– said that the festival's decision , coming so soon after the end of the bloody Seige of Gaza in 2009 , had been in line with Israeli plans outlined by its consul general Amir Gissin who had said before the festival : “Toronto would be the test city for a promotion that could then be deployed around the world..” <br><br>
Pro-Zionists like Canadian film producer Robert Lantos can’t help but show their mailed fist even when it comes to defending the apartheid state's right to contribute to the liberal arts . Lantos is the type of Zionist who can’t conceal and doesn't think that he should have to conceal his bigotry . Spouting the sort of propaganda that those who have sat through one of Professor McEoin’s lectures would doubtlessly be familiar , Lantos accused protesters such as Canadian-Jewish filmmaker Elle Flanders of being : “professional liars,” regurgitating “terrorist slogans,” acting “effectively [as] Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s local fifth column,” and having “taken a page straight out of the fascist propaganda handbook.” <a href="http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/sep2009/tiff-s16.shtml" title="http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/sep2009/tiff-s16.shtml">http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/sep2009/tiff-s16.shtml</a>