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Jump To Comment: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33Hi again !
One of the Organisers for this Celtic ballad night , Kevin , has asked that a contact mobile-phone number be made available for those wishing to inquire re ticket availability etc .
That number is : 085-8376208.
Thanks!
Sharon.
Ballad Session , Sat 21st Feb 2009 , Finglas , Dublin.
Will try and make it.
Up the Celts!
Up the Celts!
Hi Finglas Head!
I know the Celtic supporters involved in putting together this gig , and they sure do lay on a good night!
And I think this one will be as good as the others !
Thanks!
Sharon.
"Once 'round the floor , and mind the dresser...!"
What in the name of Jeepers has being a 'Republican' to do with following a Scottish football team, or indeed any team? I'm surprised there's not a picture of Jock Stein in there amongst all the boys or BHOYS I should say!
.....doesn't mean you have no other interests!
Hi Eh !
All the republicans I know have other interests : some follow Celtic , others follow Liverpool / Manchester United / GAA teams / Camogie (camógaíocht) / horse-racing / hurling etc.
But those other interests have no direct bearing on whether they are republicans or not.
Thanks!
Sharon.
People who follow the Dublin GAA teams or Tyrone or Aidan O'Brien's horses or the IRish badminton team do not attempt to establish some mythical connection between their sporting interest and the Irish Republic. By the way, who did most of the infamous Black Watch regiment (Belfast early 70s) support would you say?
Hi again , Eh !
"People who follow the Dublin GAA teams or Tyrone or Aidan O'Brien's horses or the IRish badminton team do not attempt to establish some mythical connection between their sporting interest and the Irish Republic."
The Irish republicans that I know that follow , for instance , Liverpool or Manchester United or the Irish Badminton team, have never sought to make a "connection" between doing so and their politics. Why would they ? There is no such political "connection" or 'reason' why that team , and that team only , should be supported .
"By the way, who did most of the infamous Black Watch regiment (Belfast early 70s) support would you say?"
I don't know and I don't care!
Simply because that particular BA Regiment , or any other , supported (or refused to support) a certain sport and/or team is not reason enough for me to do likewise or to do the opposite.
Are you thinking of buying them tickets for the ballad session , or what's the "connection" you're trying to make ?
Thanks!
Sharon.
Black Watch in those early days were in large part Glascow Tims who supported, yes, the Celts! Probably the only Celtic supporters in Belfast in those days because contrary to myth following Celtic is only a relatively recent phenomenon here. Growing up in Dublin in the 70s I think I knew one Celtic supporter. It was all Man U, Liverpool, Everton, Leeds mainly. All teams incidentially with as strong and indeed stronger Irish identities (including republican - Liverpool has some history back to Fenian times!) than the old Glascow lads, for Dubs anyway.
Anyway, have nothing against the old Celts and have a good night!
Hi Observer !
Thanks for that info - and , providing Eh.... the Black Watch Regiment (!).....don't find themselves outside the Village Inn in Finglas on that date we should have a good night!
Thanks!
Sharon.
"Bloody breezy here in Finglas....!"
Theres about 7 of us from the area will be making it our business to get to this - sounds like the makings of a good night and we've heard Padraig and the lads do there stuff before so we'll see ye then.
As Association Football emerged in the middle of the 19th century as another manifestation of the industrial revolution, and as the spread of the railway system allowed leagues to be set up for home and away fixtures, soccer became the working-class game throughout Britain and Ireland.
Inevitably it became a badge of identity, particularly in terms of place, and in some cases, of religion. It was the massive migration from Ireland throughout the 19th century of thousands of Protestants and Catholics in search of work -- particularly after the Famine -- that coloured the soccer clubs in some major British industrial cities.
For example, in Manchester, Liverpool and Glasgow, rival clubs began to be identified as a result of emigrant following as `Protestant' or `Catholic' clubs. For the record, Liverpool, Celtic and Manchester United were the `Catholic' clubs; Everton, Glasgow Rangers and Manchester City were the `Protestant' clubs.
in full at link below
Hi Brendan !
Thanks for that message - if you and the lads bring your 'better halfs' with you , ye will have the makings of your own team present ;-) !
Thanks again - will see you and your mates (and the W.A.G.S.!) on the night!
Hi Eddie!
Thanks for that info and the link : that was mostly news to me , which is why I don't comment here or elsewhere on soccer issues!
Thanks!
Sharon.
Hi sharon,
Can people just pay in at the door on the night or is it strictly tickets only?
Hi Fionnghlas native !
The organisers have told me that they have kept back fifty tickets for sale at the door on the night only , so if you get there before 9pm there should be no bother!
See you then ,
Thanks!
Sharon.
Eddie, I am curious on your source of information re: Man Utd and Liverpool Catholic connections. I am always amazed at the Irish obsession of a foreign game played by foreigners in a foreign country.
Were actually the team supported by Irish Catholics in Liverpool and many people here, although that probably originated in the 30s and 40s due to number of Irish players who plaed with them. Liverpool obviously by far the most popular here now but that is a recent - 70s thing. United goes back to 50s again because of Liam Whelan. Celtic attachment - whatever about in the north - is very recent in Dublin and rest of south. Hardly anyone I knew growing up in the 70s supported Celtic even though they had won the European Cup in 1967.
Anyway, I kind of agree with redundant republican. This emotional attachment Irish people have for these teams is a bit odd. Glascow people do not follow Bohs or Rovers, or Linfield and Cliftonville for that matter!
Observer,I wont claim to have positive information on the religious preferences of Everton and Man city supporters but I believe that you are correct. Liverpool were and possibly still are the Protestant soccer side in that city. Can any Liverpool fan prove otherwise? Man utd are the tourist club in Manchester while city appear to draw their support from natives of Manchester and Irish exiles. I am not an expert and I know that Tom Mc Guirk is not an expert either unless the sport was rugby.
ive nver heard of the 'north inner city celtic supporters club' who are they and when did they begin?
i thought north inner city was the naomh padraig csc.
also why does celtic have inverted comas around it, sounds suspicious to this not being a celtic function..
Hi Finglas Republican !
I believe that group consists of a loose 'unofficial' club of Celtic supporters from roughly the same area that get together now and again for a bit of craic - a few pints and a night of ballads - and sometimes they open proceedings up for those outside the immediate group.
I have the word Celtic in inverted commas because the gig is not an official team or HQ gig , but is instead a night-out organised by like-minded individuals.
I can't help you regarding the Naoimh Padraig comment , as I genuinely don't know the answer -sorry! But could I suggest that you ring Kevin re same - his number is listed on the second post on this thread .
Thanks!
Sharon.
Sharon, why would any republican supporter want to attend any celtic event? Republicanism has never, in my opinion, been a vehicle to promote secterianism . I dont need any tickets thanks.
Hi Joe !
"Sharon, why would any republican supporter want to attend any celtic event?"
The lads that have organised this event are republicans that , amongst other interests, follow soccer - in this case , they all support the Celtic team . I presume they are of the opinion that there are enough like-minded individuals out there to fill the venue ?
"Republicanism has never, in my opinion, been a vehicle to promote secterianism ."
That would be my opinion too , Joe . But I certainly wouldn't agree with your implication that if you are a republican who supports Celtic then you must be sectarian.
"I dont need any tickets thanks."
I'm pretty sure they'll struggle on in your absence , Joe - thanks anyway!
Sharon.
Whilst, I have nothing against anyone supporting Celtic, I would prefer it if Irish citizens supported and promoted their local Irish soccer clubs, particularly, at this time, as they are in dire need of financial support. There is something incredibly unpatriotic about promoting and supporting a wealthy Scottish club, whilst clubs throughout the 4 provinces of Ireland are going into either receivership or liquidation, and young children are seen regularly collecting money in supermarkets to keep them afloat.
Also, I find it disheartening to see the amount of Irish youngsters wearing the jerseys of wealthy foreign soccer clubs. Much more should be done to encourage Irish children to support their local community's sporting clubs. Parents could play their part by refusing to purchase over priced foreign clubs' jerseys and encouraging their children to support and wear the colours of their local soccer team and/or GAA team instead.
How'd you make out Celtic FC to be sectarian then Joe? You wouldn't be mixing them up with a certain club that wouldn't sign a Catholic until 1989 would you? Or are you just spouting excrement for the sake of it? "
Hi Sharon thanks for getting back to me..
i had a look at the link that you posted, and it seems to be a fundraiser for rsf, nothing more nothing less. the fundraiser is just covered up with a celtic supporters function.. dont get me wrong i have nothing against rsf but i find it strange that this event has been organised and the artist booked are known fprovisional sinn fein supporters?
Why use the name of celtic for this, if its nothing to do with a celtic supporters club?
If they arent a supporters club then the money raised wouldnt be going to the supporters club then eh?
Hi again , Finglas Republican !
The links I posted re the function ( http://www.padraigmor.net/saoirseshop.htm and http://www.shebeenonline.com/shop.htm ) have nothing to do with RSF .
If you're referring to the 'Related Link' on my other posts (ie the 'Blogspot' link) that is a blog which I help publish , and is republican related in outlook , but is not an 'official' RSF site.
I don't know about the artists being "known Provisional Sinn Féin supporters" or not but , if they were , I couldn't see them doing a gig (or being allowed to do a gig?) for RSF , whereas they themselves (nor anyone else) would object to them doing a gig for a Celtic Supporters Club .
And I presume the name 'Celtic' is being used because the organisers operate under the banner of the 'North Inner City Celtic Supporters Club' and hope to make a profit so as their Club will be on a better financial footing than it is now ?
Isn't that why all such Club's hold fund-raising functions , eh ?
Thanks!
Sharon.
as you stated in an earlier post.. they arent an official supporters club but more of a group of friends having a function..
the blogspot also mentions that the person organising it, always turns up for rsf functions and works hard for them. but is returning the favour. in other words helping to raise them funds..
Hi Finglas Republican !
Yes , that's right - a group of like-minded (ie sport-related) friends that travel to Celtic games who are attempting , as a group, to raise funds in order that such travel may continue . Why do you find that so hard to believe ?
And one or more of the organisers behind the Finglas gig are republican-minded (as I already stated) and they asked me , through their spokesperson , Kevin , if I would help them to advertise the ballad session , and I agreed .
I have done this before - I have used the blog and Indymedia , amongst other sites , to advertise events which are not RSF related : for instance , this event - http://www.indymedia.ie/article/87134 - does that mean , Finglas Republican , that that Committee are RSF members/supporters or that RSF will gain , financially or otherwise , should that Committee be successful ?
Or could it be that it's simply just something that myself and the others that work on the blog feel should be supported ?
Thanks!
Sharon.
Liverpool did have that association but it's pretty much irrelevant now although you see a lot of Belfast Prods at their games. At the same time I was at a Liverpool game years ago and had pints before it in a Catholic social club, Josephs I think? behind Anfield Road end so obviously doesn't mean much to the locals! Anyway, Liverpool and Everton supporters were always renown for not having the same violent antipathy towards one another that you find in other cities. It's certainly not like Glascow!
finglas republican -dunno what your problem is but you look to be trying to have a go at this ballad session because you seem to think that its fair game to do that for whatever reason
if you dont wanna go to it then dont but dont try and spoil it for those of us that do wanna go
in regards to people bringing up the issue who is running the event,i think they have a right to know where the money is going,as its their 10 euros.There seems to be a big push by rsf on it,the image showing the event shows ticket number 406,thats alot of tickets for a loose group of friends to push,when you consider the np csc,Dublins biggest get between 200-300 at their gigs.Plus this celtic club arent registered to any of the associations in ireland or glasgow,so why have a csc thats not registered for tickets.sharon you say you post about other non republican events but most of your posts on your blog 1169 are about rsf,which is fine,but would make celtic fans think this is a rsf event under a different name
Hi Dublin Tim !
"in regards to people bringing up the issue who is running the event,i think they have a right to know where the money is going,as its their 10 euros."
They sure do have that right , Tim , which is why I have already responded to a similar query ie "They hope to make a profit so as their Club will be on a better financial footing than it is now....a group of like-minded (ie sport-related) friends that travel to Celtic games who are attempting , as a group, to raise funds in order that such travel may continue ."
"There seems to be a big push by rsf on it,the image showing the event shows ticket number 406,thats alot of tickets for a loose group of friends to push,when you consider the np csc,Dublins biggest get between 200-300 at their gigs."
RSF are not pushing or promoting this function at all that I'm aware of - some Celtic supporters are pushing and promoting it wherever they can and some republicans are helping them to do so. Re the number of tickets printed (500 , I believe) : I help to run a raffle every month at which 650 tickets are printed - there is a set charge with our printer for between 500 and 650 tickets so , naturally , we go for the bigger amount in the hope that we'll sell the lot and make as much of a profit as we can . But - like us - the function organisers may not actually sell all the tickets , but no harm having them available all the same , especially when they are costing you the same as a lesser amount would!
"Plus this celtic club arent registered to any of the associations in ireland or glasgow,so why have a csc thats not registered for tickets."
I already covered this - " I believe that group consists of a loose 'unofficial' club of Celtic supporters from roughly the same area that get together now and again for a bit of craic - a few pints and a night of ballads - and sometimes they open proceedings up for those outside the immediate group." Perhaps they're waiting until they are on a sound financial footing before they register ? I don't know if that's the case, to be honest with you.
"sharon you say you post about other non republican events but most of your posts on your blog 1169 are about rsf,which is fine,but would make celtic fans think this is a rsf event under a different name"
Which is exactly why we stated (see 'Related Link' below) - "We don’t normally do ‘requests’ on this blog, but on this occasion , we are happy to give the above-mentioned function a wee bit of a plug!"
Hope that helps you , Dublin Tim - Thanks!
Sharon.
Never mind the ?@~:)_+! a gig was organised for whoever felt the'd enjoy such an event, no more no no less. Stop slabbering! Celtic, Celtic, Celtic...
Finglas is a prime example of an area where the goverment keeps the people ignorant and its a lego land of council houese and crime but you the residents need to rise you-select your own candidates and rid Finglas of crime and poverty.This will be a monunmental task but until you need it will be living in squallar forever.