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Corrib Gas, People, Forums … and Minister Eamon Ryan.

category mayo | environment | news report author Monday December 08, 2008 22:51author by Niall Harnett - Shell to Sea / Rossport Solidarity Campauthor email rossportsolidaritycamp at gmail dot comauthor phone 086 8444966 Report this post to the editors

“I am in blood, stepped in so far that should I wade no more, returning were as tedious as go o'er.” Macbeth.

On Friday 5th December 2008, Ministers Eamon Ryan and Eamon O'Cuiv hosted a 'Forum' at the Broadhaven Bay Hotel, Belmullet, Erris, Co Mayo.

Set in the context of the Shell Corrib Gas Project, what the forum is about or what it's supposed to address is not clear. “It's not a decision making forum”, said the chairman, Joe Brosnan.

Meanwhile, in another room at the same venue, local residents and community activists hosted a parallel forum, the People's Forum, to address what the Ministers' forum will not address … the substantive issues, which are:

Health, Safety & the Environment.
The Great Gas Giveaway.
Community Consent

The People's Forum
The People's Forum

Shell and the Irish Government are very worried about the delays in realising the Corrib Gas Project, which arise especially, and most recently, out of successful resistance by local residents and their supporters to off-shore pipelaying which Shell attempted, but failed to achieve, at Glengad in August & September 2008, despite the marshalling of all the forces of the State to their side.

So it appears, from the government's perspective, that some 'initiative' is needed.

A number of weeks ago Ministers Ryan & O'Cuiv announced a new forum to address Corrib Gas issues. However the forum 'initiative' and its terms of reference were announced as a fait accomplis in the media with no communication or consultation with community groups and individuals. The terms were fixed to exclude any revisiting of 'permissions and consents' already granted to Shell, even though Government admits that “mistakes have been made” in relation to the development of Corrib and its history.

Eamon Ryan, the man with the most responsibility for Corrib, in his role as Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources, must know as an experienced Green Party politician that prior consultation and participation with the stakeholders is what's required before the setting up of any forum for communication, given that any such 'development' cannot be considered to be 'sustainable' until and unless it satisfies the concerns of the receiving community.

It was a bad start.

And as I understand it after things panned out after the first day, that forum is more about the economic development of Erris and the North West than about anything else.

Obviously, attending the forum was discussed by local residents but decisions were made by those with the most concerns not to attend any forum that paid only lip-service to addressing the substantive issues.

However, it was decided to set up a parallel forum on the same day called the People's Forum, that was open to anyone, and recordable by media.

The People's Forum was well attended by local residents and went on throughout the whole day. The substantive issues were reheard and revisited with some profound contributions from those affected by the Shell Corrib Gas Project. Films were shown of the ongoing resistance to the project and an analysis of some impromptu lunchtime discussions with Minister Ryan led into another session to plan ahead.

The point was well made that the State is in so deep at this stage with the developer that it is almost impossible for it to pull back without creating even more difficulties for itself.

“I am in blood, stepped in so far that should I wade no more, returning were as tedious as go o'er.”. Macbeth.

Consequently, for the ministers to face a real forum is inconceivable to them and the charade of a forum is the window dressing that must take its place.

The People's Forum recommends that if any serious intention is attached to the Ministers' Forum then Shell must be asked to halt work while the forum goes on. Both the People's Forum and the Government Forum will reconvene on January 19th 2009, and the People's Forum will meet sooner again on Saturday 13th December 2008 at Glenamoy, 6pm.

I heard Minister Ryan say to RTE television that the State are constrained by the permissions and consents already granted to Shell, and they can't go back on that. “If you receive planning permission to build a house in a certain place, the authorities can't decide half way through to withdraw that permission”, is an example he used to illustrate his point.

But didn't the minister say just a few weeks ago that “mistakes have been made”?

And didn't he commit, in appealing for votes for his party, that he would not enter government unless a new and independent review of the Corrib Gas Project be established?

But didn't he roll over, when tested, in capitulation to Fianna Fail to agree a programme for government which would mean that he must agree to the development of Corrib in spite of his own reservations, which he must bury along with his integrity, if he had any?

Wouldn't a review of the project have highlighted the mistakes he mentioned recently? And breaches possibly, breaches of law? The same mistakes or breaches he's not prepared to revisit at his own forum that he says is supposed to consider all the issues.

It's double speak. “White man speak with forked tongue”, is what the native Americans said.

To use his own example, you would not be allowed to continue to build a house if mistakes were made in the early stages of preparation at foundation level. A weak foundation will compromise your house and it's the law that you must correct those mistakes before you go on.

The cornerstone foundation for Corrib is the consent of the receiving community. The consents for the development given by the State authorities were obtained by manipulation, corruption and evading consultation with the local community, who were bullied, ignored and beaten back by force by An Garda Síochána when left with no choice but to physically resist.

Eamon Ryan knows that that is no basis for consent or a building block for 'sustainable development'. But it's he who is constrained, by his government, from saying say the words “The State has no right to give any permissions on that basis”. Go on Eamon, say it and be done with it.

Or you must live with the continuing consequences of your actions: Social Division, Environmental Degradation and Pollution, and Economic Treason.

Sustainable?

Who are you kidding?

I suppose it's a question of choices and living with yourself and the consequences of your actions. And whether something is simply the right thing … or not. With so much at stake.

I must say I felt sorry for Eamon Ryan watching him talking with people and the media. I saw a man struggling. Struggling to justify his position in the face of the real questions being put to him by the real people. Knowing that he must continue this dishonesty with himself and the people he serves, just to stay in government. Just to stay in government. With a party that has already done such damage to him and his party.

I'd admire him if he conceded the mistake he made in taking up his position as minister. And so would so many. It would just be the right thing to do. To simply resign and say 'No, this isn't right'. For its own rewards, which would be many, including respect for his integrity, because it's not too late.

And there's always the future.

You can always come again Mr Ryan, if you leave this time with your integrity intact, because you reap what you sow.

If you stay … well, that's your choice.

Related Link: http://www.shelltosea.com

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Minister Eamon Ryan trying to justify the ongoing State facilitation of Shell.
Minister Eamon Ryan trying to justify the ongoing State facilitation of Shell.

Chief Superintendent Tony McNamara & the new District Superintendent Michael Larkin.
Chief Superintendent Tony McNamara & the new District Superintendent Michael Larkin.

Caption: Embedded video Youtube Video


author by Niallpublication date Mon Dec 08, 2008 22:55author address author phone Report this post to the editors

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author by Niallpublication date Mon Dec 08, 2008 23:03author address author phone Report this post to the editors

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Ministers' 'open' Forum? Sorry, no recording allowed.
Ministers' 'open' Forum? Sorry, no recording allowed.

author by Niallpublication date Mon Dec 08, 2008 23:05author address author phone Report this post to the editors

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author by Niallpublication date Mon Dec 08, 2008 23:10author address author phone Report this post to the editors

... and rightly so.

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Quittin' time!.. in more ways than one I suggest.
Quittin' time!.. in more ways than one I suggest.

author by The People's Forum.publication date Mon Dec 08, 2008 23:56author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Press Release: People's Forum, Erris - 5/12/08

The People's Forum held in the Broadhaven Bay Hotel, Erris has shown the deep gulf that exists between the local community and Ministers Ryan, Ó Cuiv and Shell. The Ministers' event was not attended by the local people, many of whom instead thronged the room in which the People's Forum was held. This forum was open to all, including the press and was fully recorded. The Government event took place behind closed doors with Shell and invited guests. The Chairperson, Mr. Brosnan and both Ministers were invited to hear the peoples' concerns but chose not to attend.

The Peoples Forum called for a full and proper forum to be set up which is open to the public, fully recorded and has an independently agreed Chairperson. This proper forum would address the Corrib Controversy only and would not be disingenuous in trying to link Shell's operations with local development which, in the opinions expressed at the Peoples' Forum, are mutually exclusive.

The very clear message coming from the Peoples' Forum was the imperative for Shell and the Government to operate within the law. There have been numerous instances where this did not happen, including Shells' illegal construction of the raw gas pipeline in 2005 and Shell's well documented breaches of Statutory Regulations at Glengad in 2007 & 2008. Minister Ryan stated today that all alleged illegalities must be sorted out.

The concerns of local people as expressed within the Peoples' Forum continued to hinge on the threat to the regional Erris water supply through siting the refinery within the catchment area of Carrowmore lake, something which is banned in Scotland; the raw gas pipeline which has no planning permission and the continued Government giveaway of our oil & gas at a time of great public economic need.

The problems associated with the Corrib Project will, unfortunately, continue while the Government refuses to address the substantive issues.

For verification or comment phone:
Maura Harrington: 0879591474
Edward Moran: 0876499767

author by Starstruck - s2spublication date Tue Dec 09, 2008 02:28author address author phone Report this post to the editors

great report pics and vid
Great to see the parasiric politician squirm.
Lets keep the pressure on!!

author by Seán Ryanpublication date Tue Dec 09, 2008 08:07author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Good article.

If Mr. Ryan is relying on: “If you receive planning permission to build a house in a certain place, the authorities can't decide half way through to withdraw that permission,” to suggest that there's nothing that can be done, he's getting desperate indeed. I know of at least one occasion where the High Court revoked planning permission, that had been granted and indeed, the Supreme Court later upheld this decision: http://www.supremecourt.ie/Judgments.nsf/1b0757edc37103...ument

If planning permission was received in a way that was not lawful, the Courts could overturn it. There are many examples that would suffice. Here's one of them:

United Nations Resolution on Permanent Sovereignty over Natural Resources - Resolution 1803 (XVII)
http://www.taiwandocuments.org/un1803-XVII.htm

1. The right of peoples and nations to permanent sovereignty over their natural wealth and resources must be exercised in the interest of their national development and of the well-being of the people of the State concerned.

3. In cases where authorization is granted, the capital imported and the earnings on that capital shall be governed by the terms thereof, by the national legislation in force, and by international law. The profits derived must be shared in the proportions freely agreed upon, in each case, between the investors and the recipient State, due care being taken to ensure that there is no impairment, for any reason, of that State's sovereignty over its natural wealth and resources.

7. Violation of the rights of peoples and nations to sovereignty over their natural wealth and resources is contrary to the spirit and principles of the Charter of the United Nations and hinders the development of international co-operation and the maintenance of peace.

8. Foreign investment agreements freely entered into by or between sovereign States shall be observed in good faith; States and international organizations shall strictly and conscientiously respect the sovereignty of peoples and nations over their natural wealth and resources in accordance with the Charter and the principles set forth in the present resolution.

author by Chrissiepublication date Tue Dec 09, 2008 16:18author address author phone Report this post to the editors

So Ryan has nothing to say on the contamination of the water supply with aluminium & diesel fuel? Does he dare to consider the consequences if heavy metals or other contaminants were found in Irish meat?

author by billy idlepublication date Tue Dec 09, 2008 17:45author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"I heard Minister Ryan say to RTE television that the State are constrained by the permissions and consents already granted to Shell, and they can't go back on that."

This hasn't stopped his collegue Gormley stating that the proposed incinerator at Ringsend is not a "fait accompli" despite it being passed by both bord Pleanala and the EPA.

author by Cpublication date Wed Dec 10, 2008 22:32author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Here's a Subvertisement of the Shell ad "Start from a different place".

The original ad can be seen here: http://realenergy.shell.com/?page=GTLPressAd2⟨=en&...=html

Or a critique of the ad here: http://www.ecoglobe.ch/energy/e/shel8428.htm

Original Shell Ad
Original Shell Ad

Caption: Embedded video Youtube Video


Related Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfZXiPRjdMU
author by EDDIE COLLINS - Shell TO SEEpublication date Thu Dec 11, 2008 03:31author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Last week there were a few Forums in Erris, $hells and the peoples forum. But more important, there was alleged to be a wee bit of toxic oil in the food chain feed for farm animals. Mainly pigs, a few cows ect: The Irish Government banned all bacon and pig affiliated products for a week "stating " that it was harmful to humans as it was 200 to 300 times over the recommended EC limits. It must have been very serious for the Gov. to recall all the wee bit of toxic oil that contaminated the meat. Shell wants to build a massive gas and oil refinery in Erris with spills and leaks as all refineries have. But do they mention this in the news no. WE the people of Erris and visitors to our fine area are told by Ministers that Erris will be the Hub of this gas an oil misery for the people who live here. Our farm animals and our untainted fish do not count according to Government Officials, where there is to be this massive gas an oil refinery. A few drops and they close all the countries Bacon down, But tough shit for the people of Erris, Shell holds a closed door forum and tries to line the streets with silver to get their way in, with the same Ministers that close down the Irish markets for a alleged few drops of toxic oil that is banned from Irish shores.
What about all the toxicants that the people of Erris will have to suffer for generations in their water, farm animals, fish and poultry products. Oh lets not forget the most important vegetables that grow in our clean soil. So when it rains, it will turn into what ( acid rains )with high mercury amounts that cause even more harm( NOT HAM ). When will the Gov. Ministers wake up an smell the bacon before its to late. it's beyond reason that they think, they can put the people of Erris at risk.
This is what it is all about not a few pieces of silver, but the health and safety of an very important area, Well if you live here you will realized that our health is at even a greater risk than what happen last week when the Irish Ministers banned all pig products. Remember just a few drops and they want to build this refinery with billions of gallons and not a drop to be spilled.

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author by EDDIE COLLINS - Shell TO SEEpublication date Thu Dec 11, 2008 03:34author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Last week there were a few Forums in Erris, $hells and the peoples forum. But more important, there was alleged to be a wee bit of toxic oil in the food chain feed for farm animals. Mainly pigs, a few cows ect: The Irish Government banned all bacon and pig affiliated products for a week "stating " that it was harmful to humans as it was 200 to 300 times over the recommended EC limits. It must have been very serious for the Gov. to recall all the wee bit of toxic oil that contaminated the meat. Shell wants to build a massive gas and oil refinery in Erris with spills and leaks as all refineries have. But do they mention this in the news no. WE the people of Erris and visitors to our fine area are told by Ministers that Erris will be the Hub of this gas an oil misery for the people who live here. Our farm animals and our untainted fish do not count according to Government Officials, where there is to be this massive gas an oil refinery. A few drops and they close all the countries Bacon down, But tough shit for the people of Erris, Shell holds a closed door forum and tries to line the streets with silver to get their way in, with the same Ministers that close down the Irish markets for a alleged few drops of toxic oil that is banned from Irish shores.
What about all the toxicants that the people of Erris will have to suffer for generations in their water, farm animals, fish and poultry products. Oh lets not forget the most important vegetables that grow in our clean soil. So when it rains, it will turn into what ( acid rains )with high mercury amounts that cause even more harm( NOT HAM ). When will the Gov. Ministers wake up an smell the bacon before its to late. it's beyond reason that they think, they can put the people of Erris at risk.
This is what it is all about not a few pieces of silver, but the health and safety of an very important area, Well if you live here you will realized that our health is at even a greater risk than what happen last week when the Irish Ministers banned all pig products. Remember just a few drops and they want to build this refinery with billions of gallons and not a drop to be spilled.

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author by Cpublication date Thu Dec 11, 2008 10:59author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Here's a video clip regarding Eamon Ryan and his dealing with the Corrib Gas project.
Recently he has begun lying regarding the merits of the project. These can be read about here: http://www.indymedia.ie/article/89787

Caption: Embedded video Youtube Video


Related Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WbYJZm7Xt4
author by MacEpublication date Thu Dec 11, 2008 13:07author address author phone Report this post to the editors

That clip was well put together, C, well done. Terence and PJ spoke well. Ryan looks like a man suffocating under the weight of his own contradictions. "Natural gas and renewables go hand in hand" - what utter tripe, that is truly grasping at straws. I don't understand why Ryan thinks he has any credibility among Shell opponents. Shell have been buying support in Erris for years, but Ryan is both the most glaring and most prominent example. "This is not a decision-making forum" - no, it's a high-publicity form of getting it all off your chest while the same men that are responsible for doing you down tut and make soothing noises as if it was the government of a foreign country that was behind it all. The Neds must be sickened that the bribes/threats used for their joke of a forum didn't work on their intended targets. Now it's just going to be the Buyers talking to the Already Bought.

author by observerpublication date Thu Dec 11, 2008 14:06author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Well done for the carefully explained accounts of the Forums.

Submissions to An Bord Pleanala re modified Shell pipeline route were to be dealt with within 6 weeks. A letter came saying it was not possible - why the delay - had it anything to do with the Forum happening first or is that the outcome is very difficult to deal with. Still waiting and trying to manage my calendar!

author by Georgepublication date Thu Dec 11, 2008 15:27author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Mr Ryan:

Who cares about "United Nations Resolution on Permanent Sovereignty over Natural Resources - Resolution 1803 (XVII)"?

It's just a goddamned piece of paper - same as our constitution.

Related link: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Just+a+goddamned+p...f&oq=

author by Piggy wigggy - Animal Farmpublication date Thu Dec 11, 2008 22:28author address author phone Report this post to the editors

NEWSFLASH:

Due to the pork ban, all Garda activity around the Shell site has been suspended.

Shell have responded by offering extra security jobs to a few more of the local sheep. Ends. Ha Ha, Boom Boom, It's da way I tell 'em

author by IT readerpublication date Tue Feb 03, 2009 17:31author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Irish Times
today - Lorna Siggins

MINISTER FOR Energy Eamon Ryan plans to use the internet to broadcast segments of the Government’s Corrib gas forum.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0203/1....html

Related Link: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0203/1232923384221.html
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