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Jump To Comment: 4 3 2 1Thanks Ger and Iosaf.
I'd be the first to admit that Mexican politics is a murky business. I don't think that Obrador is the most important part of it nor should he be. What I am inspired by is the fact in a country where elections have been stolen, where hundreds have been killed in protests, in a country where in fact people are currently being killed by government forces in Oaxaca and Chiapas, that in such a country people could and should take such an action like take the centre of the city as a political statement.
I've been on Critical Masses in Limerick where I get a kick out of drivers honking at me to "Get your f*ckin' bike off the road boss" but this my friends is something much bigger. Iosaf, your knowledge is impressive and your opinion respected but man, when you are in the middle of an ocean of protest like this one it is just something beyond the words of theory.
The Zapatistas are here too, fair play to them they aren't just saying "I told you so" No there's a massive movement and they're part of it too. PAN is actively killing people in the southern provences and no I don't think Obrador is a Blair, he is an alternative. He might be populist etc but he's not Blair and simple European comparisons ought not be applied. There is a massive new departure in Latin American politics and if Mexico were to align itself with it, it would weaken the arm of Bush further south, even north too (Let's not forget who needs arevolution more than anyone).
Obrador is radicalising, or at least has been. Unfortunately the protest is being undermined quite successfully but even if it is lifted then I'll just hang tight for the next chapter, Obrador or no Obrador, Mexico's on a roll. The thing is that he's belligerent in defence, leaders like that are beginning to be needed in leftist politics, the left in other parts of the world just seems so self-defeatest in comparison (sorry for slagging, I don't mean to undermine) and that might serve to mobilise more poor people who've never empowered themselves before. I was here in 2000 and although that year it was a right wing victory it inspired people that change is possible. Remember that PRI ruled this place for over seventy years.
I'm not going to idealise Obrador or anything but after being depressed by the apathy of mainstream Ireland, students and all, with relation to Shannon Airport it is the the sheer momentum of this movement that made me think; well at last, something big.
I'm not a purist. I'm under no illusion that grassroots democracy will tumble capitalism overnight or even soon or ever, but in the meantime, people empowering themselves is what is important at the end of the day. Thanks for your comments and encouragement.
Fiachra
Bhios d'mo cheistiu cad a bhi ar siul i Messico. Nil faic sa nuacht faoi. Agus an cur sios is fearr a leim faoi tagann o pheann Fiachra, an t-aon duine a bhfuil aithne agam i messico. Ard fhear, lean ag scriobh.
Gearoid, Sa Daingean.
If we consider the mexican presidentials an unfair because of such a narrow margin and a constitution which disallows runoff elections, I think we have to bring into consideration the normality globally of knife edge results. To some the normality of results based on average voting of around 60% of the populations in Mexico, Peru, Germany, Italy, Ukraine, Canada, Spain is that the combination of opinion poll pressure & semi-official prediction with the lack of substantial difference between "centre left" and "centre right" has meant the 21st century has begun as the most disputed and invalidated display of the democratic system yet. No-one appears to zin elections anymore anywhere. Did it all begin with the 2000 florida chads?
Only in places like Lebanon, Palestinian occupied territories, DR Congo Haiti & Iraq do a satisfactory number of people vote & incredibly the democratic west seems displeased with all those results. A short while ago during Castro's illness I quipped that Raul Castro's (Fidel's younger brother) tenure as acting head of state was being criticised by some US based Cubans as unacceptable on account of his autism. I joked that an autistic would be better than the psychopaths and sociopaths we are used to. But it's deeper than that, Stroessner of Paraguay for 40 years stood aft on the boat of dictatorships in which Mexico was included. We are ruled according to "states of law abd right" by parties who are only distinguished by advertising. There is no democracy in recounting all the votes in an election where half the people didnt vote and some manipulated for both sides. At end we are still ruled by sociopaths but perhaps the psychopathic arms of state seen in all our recent pasts (since 1940 only Ireland; UK switzerland, USA and sweden had no dictatorship) have now gone. Obrador would have been no further left than Lulu. If Blair lost an election I wouldnt climb in his tent. It is all farce. Who will throw the Irish election?
we have a very good election section on indymedia ireland. use the newswire feature or click on the thumbnails at the top of this page.
In addition "election world" who kept the best and most shocking qrchive of how dodgey all election results are everywhere moved all their data to wikipedia. just remember the most democratic votes in the zorld are haiti, lebanon and iraq. democratic states suck.
I believe the election process was a farce, and for what its worth (a lot more than just my opinion) the EZLN said so too. But and here is the big "but" the zapatistas said it would be a farce before it began.
The 2 constitutional parties reflect well general social support networks throughout not only South America but also Europe. The "declared winners" are a party of lawyers - the people who write the laws and make their livings from arguing "tupence is less than a legal centimo of a euro" every day. The protesters in Mexico city are supporting the ex-major of that city - they've got protests together at embassies including the Madrid one where they lamented the Zapatero's government acceptance of the vote results. I don't see much difference between the two. Yes. the vote was a farce, but also the evidence which has been produced goes further than justifying a recount - video tapes of ballot tampering if genuine invalidate the whole poll. If the video tape is genuine - then there is no point in recounting the votes "one by one" of only a few thousand - because the whole election was * not secret * invalid.
It seems to me and those loyal to the true left of Mexico (which is found far beyond the new labour style camps of mexico city) that Obrador is trying to steal the usual steam of "cheated democrats". The federation has not enjoyed democracy for long has it? Do we really think by supporting Obrador we are flying the "left's flag"? Especially when so much of what has occured is a latin adjustment of the Florida 2000 Bush fight combined with the "best of" the Ukraine. My instinct is leave them to it. No-one on the left though this election would be anything but a farce, and the "other campaign" of the Zapatistas did its best to tell all mexicans that at end there is no difference between Obrador or Calderon.