Does my bomb look big in this ?

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by puzzled Sat May 06, 2006 15:23

plausibly French or French influenced, it is the cover image of "Risqué Beauty: Beauty Secrets of History's Most Notorious Courtesans (Paperback)" by Daniela Turudich which is now out of print.
the composition of the image suggests it has been clipped, her headpiece suggests a fashionable 19th century fascination with Turkish and Ottoman baths and the legendary boudoirs. If its an English work that could date it 1810-1830 possibly even earlier her face is too gallic. If it is indeed French, and the pose of the model is more typical of French art at a slightly later date 1845-1865.
I'm fascinated. Would love to know who this painting is by, if the model was named, and I'm sure its printed on the back of the book, which (out of print) may be nestling away on an unmanageable's bookcase. I know the comments are supposed to facilitate questions of art history. But I'd love to know.

by Phuq Hedd Sat May 06, 2006 18:53

Would love to know who this painting is by

Ingres. La Grande Odalisque.

by )-: Sat May 06, 2006 20:53

I don't win a prize.
http://www.abcgallery.com/I/ingres/ingres56.html
cheers by the way. great poster. & now you know it is definitely out of copyright so no ageing courtesans / turkish bathers will be suing you.

by sophisticate - & bored with it. Sun May 07, 2006 00:04 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buttocks

Even allowing for the clipping of the image, the neo-classical style if not the haircut of the model ought have been enough to guess the very early 19th century. Jean Auguste Ingres is generally better known for his portrait of Napoleon - as emperor - a warmonger indeed. You can compare that painting with the other four "best knowns" of Ingres at the wikipedia page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Auguste_Dominique_Ingres
Perhaps showing the influence of his teacher Jacques-Louis David, Ingres saw a stylistic shift during his life though enjoying the patronage of the Bonaparte family (thats really too sophisticated - what really happened to Jacques David and Ludwig van Beethovan and all of them was Napoleon.) The painting which is the source of the image above being comissioned by the Queen of Naples one of Marie Antoinette's surviving sisters and arguable (a Bonaparte "royalist installee" you would have to consult the contemporary expert on Napoleonic diplomacy and his many papers onthe subject, Mr De Villepin prime minister of France ).
We can ponder in this image one of the first times that naked female buttocks are shown in western art without a legendary or mythic theme. These buttocks the "unmanageables" want you to kiss are not the gluteus maximus and gluteus minimus or cellulite of a Goddess or Nymph. Rather they purport to be representative of the sort of botty you'd find during the Napoleonic wars in the near east. & more than one wealthy type went in search of such ass. It would not be ridiculous to suggest that this well known painting might represent the beginning of "eroticism" in Academy tradition western Art, a soft pornography which came to be known as orientalism . The theme of the odalisque certainly stayed with Ingres he would paint another such work in 1840 but with more attention to the tummy than the bum.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odalisque ["In popular usage, the word odalisque may also loosely refer to a mistress, concubine, or paramour of a wealthy man....."] Ingres by that stage was completely hooked and unveiled his "Turkish Bath" in 1862 with cleavage and sweaty curves of all types.

It is interesting that by the late 19th century (less than ten years after the "turkish Bath") in France the Acadamy could be so shocked to see naked women sitting together in a pastoral scene. Indeed letters were written to the newspapers and priests cried from the pulpits and an "art revolution" began. The Shock was not based in prurience, but the lack of imagination. The haute bourgoise visitor to the annual show did not have to exercise their fantasy much to imagine naked women in a French field, and thus found such images "sexual" but wondering at the brushstrokes on the arse of a slave in harem was culture.

Get them to kiss your asses! :-)
go to galleries. you can learn more stuff from a painting than a book cover.

by Elaine Sun May 07, 2006 00:40

Well Does It? Always a loaded question.
But the missile delivered today to the U.S. Embassy was not loaded. Nor did it contain Depleted Uranium and at no stage did it go bang and kill a lot of people.

Much to the relief of the IAWM and other anti-war protestors gathered outside the US Embassy as part of the IAWM's 'Stop Warmongering On Iran' vigil.

Hey Mister Bush ...

We Got Your D.U. ...

... Right Here!

Anyone Home?

Eh... Hello, We'd Like To Return This Missile

by Elaine Sun May 07, 2006 01:11

people queued up to sign the missile. Various anti war sentiments and slogans, and one lone Shell To Sea sticker, decorated it's base before it was spirited away to rest up for it's next protest.

Kiss My Royal Irish Arse

He Signed It Three Times

Pop Quiz: Nato Is A ...?

Deirdre Wishes She Had Brought A Hammer

An American Voice Against The War

by Elaine Sun May 07, 2006 01:40

and colourful protest with some beautiful banners representing the various groups who attended.

Peace Banner

Popular Sentiment

Workers' Party Represented

West Meath Posse

Al'right Lads

by chris murray - the unmanageables Sun May 07, 2006 13:32

Maybe we could go for Dejeuner sur L'herbe next, though we could reverse the sex roles in the painting-

or maybe not....

by Seán Ryan Sun May 07, 2006 15:25

Antoher great demo.

I love the bomb. (what did the yanks have to say about it?)

Any chance ye'd come to Shannon to see if the airport might like it?

It strikes me that if a citizen were to mention the word, 'bomb' in most airports that it would result in an immediate arrest. But I'm sure this cannot be the case with Shannon as they've no problems with munitions passing through.

Bomb da hypocrissy.

Solidarity,
Seán

by madam k Mon May 08, 2006 11:38

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no horseplay today lad`s

say`s it all...

our sentiments exactly..