The Graffiti is on the Wall – Images

by Noise Producer Mon Jul 11, 2005 02:16

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by Noise Lover Mon Jul 11, 2005 02:18

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by Noise Expander Mon Jul 11, 2005 02:20

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by Noise Maker Mon Jul 11, 2005 02:22

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by Noise Creator Mon Jul 11, 2005 02:23

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by Noise Hacker Mon Jul 11, 2005 02:25

{All Images are Copyleft}

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by max Mon Jul 11, 2005 13:36

Are some of these images from prague or are they all from Dublin? I recognise the megaphone/ super8 stencil from the end if my street in Zizkov prague

by Anthony Mon Jul 11, 2005 15:43

I notice that this collection has been categorised by the author under "International" so it's likely that the locations of the pictured street art is outside Dublin.

Noise Hacker's collection of photos make an excellent archive of street art which is inherently (due to the nature of its medium) temporary. I've often thought that it would be even better to have the locations of the images along with (rough) dates included with the photos when they're published here. It probably wouldn't be a good idea to give the exact location as I imagine some unfortunate local authority employee could be dispatched with a list of addresses from which to remove the public non-state sanctioned works.

On a different note, every so often, I pass by interesting street art in locations off the beaten track in the Liberties and Stoneybatter. I keep thinking I should carry a camera around with me so I can take a picture but Noise Hacker usually gets a photo of it and publishes it some time later. Keep up the good work.

by someone Mon Jul 11, 2005 19:16

Well Ive been involved with graffiti although not stencil graf for a bit now and I was wondering if we have many stencil writers out there? Ive yet to come across any in my travels, though have come across many othe writers just by chance!

by redjade Mon Jul 11, 2005 19:20

Ive been collecting howto/DIY links on this for awhile

http://del.icio.us/redjade/graffiti
http://del.icio.us/redjade/stencils

don't have the guts to do it myself :-)

by Sean Mon Jul 11, 2005 20:36

Many of those stencils are objectifying women. This should not be on a progressive website such as this.

by redjade Mon Jul 11, 2005 20:41

'Noise Hacker' took photos of graffiti s/he did not create the graffiti (as far as i know)

'This should not be on a progressive website such as this'

You have an interesting point, but do realise the difference between reporting on an event and creating an event - which can be a pretty blurry line on indymedia, but in this case there is a difference.

by theenemywithinme Mon Jul 11, 2005 21:38

...that argument isn't very effective on me.
"do realise the difference between reporting on an event and creating an event ... there is a difference'
What is that difference?
This diversion is not to take from the photo-artice, which by the way is excellant, as all of your pieces Noise Hacker, thanks, but it does throw up an interesting issue in much culture production, like the art above, namely the gendered aspects of some of which passes as alternative to the mainstream.
Granted, the images were 'there', just like other images of a given event are 'there', but someone decides to use and distribute them (recall the mainstream images of gleneagles vs indymedia).In the instance above a decision was made to show a particular aspect of the 'event' - street art - one that included the eroticised female, that aesthetic of the male gaze that focuses on sexual desire of a female object, albeit it abstracted form. The event, like all reporting was a particular construction, one that in this instance drew on images that, it could be said, are the product of the male gaze.
What is it about those images that makes you (general sense of you) see value in them? Of those females reading this, do you see these as having value? If you had numerous photos, say 20, and could only put up 10, would you consider uploading the images of the females? Fishing for discussion here, and am in no way asking for censorship. You are perfectly entitled to upload such images, I personally don't take offence, but I do find the gendered nature of progressive movements startling at times - just look at the macho-millitant swimmers. I admit, that was a cheap dig, but I hope you see what I'm getting at.

by redjade Mon Jul 11, 2005 22:02

• Just to backtrack for a moment - i do wish to thank Noise Hacker for his/her posts - if it wasn't a bit controversial, what would the point be?

'...an interesting issue in much culture production, like the art above, namely the gendered aspects of some of which passes as alternative to the mainstream.'

• yeah, I'd agree with that. All I'm saying is before people start demanding things be taken down (which was implied) people should ask more questions and for more information first.

a) Maybe there are not many Graffitis (whats the plural of graffiti?) of scantily clad men? OOOoooo, now there's an interesting topic - why are there not?

b) in terms of sexism etc - yeah, certainly that was my first political correct reaction too. But ever happen to browse through some underground lesbian comic books? yikes! Makes this stuff look tame.

c) noted above, It would be nice to know where these graffitis are from. If they are not irish, then maybe that also says something. need more info.

'The event, like all reporting was a particular construction, one that in this instance drew on images that, it could be said, are the product of the male gaze.'

• OK, agreed. but what would you say to 'Dont hate the media - BE the media' Just a 'democratisation of that same 'gaze'? It might be.

'What is it about those images that makes you (general sense of you) see value in them?'

1) documentation.
2) that's up to Noise Hacker.
3) No one is forcing us to 'gaze'

'...but I do find the gendered nature of progressive movements startling at times - just look at the macho-millitant swimmers. I admit, that was a cheap dig, but I hope you see what I'm getting at.'

• I do see where you are going - more radical than you may realise, too.

Me thinks too many are into the 'image of resistance' than the nuts and bolts of it. Too much focus on marketing (even if DIY) and not enough on participating in the mechanics of it all.

Regardless, good to see the photos here. maybe i'll rant more later

by eeekkkkk Mon Jul 11, 2005 22:15

may add to the debate.

by Rejoice! Rejoice! Mon Jul 11, 2005 23:30 rejoicerejoice at gmail dot com

Perhaps redjade et all will rush to make some stencils from the images at http://www.werenotafraid.com/?

No, didn't think so.

by redjade Mon Jul 11, 2005 23:36

better yet... Why don't *you* make some stencils?

BE the media ;-)

I blogged about werenotafraid.com almost three days ago, dude. Ya haven't been paying attention!

http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=70699#comment114102

by Noise Hacker Tue Jul 12, 2005 00:26

But here is a little clue as to where some of them are from!

by redjade Tue Jul 12, 2005 13:13

'....Street art has become the annoying little brother to graffiti. He is the one who saw something cool, but couldn’t quite pull it off, so he came up with a lame knockoff to impress his friends. The reason most street art sucks is because it is trying to be what it is not. Street art is NOT graffiti, so why treat it like it is? Designing a poster or a sticker with your image on, having 500 made and putting them up is not a challenge. You want a design challenge? Go tag. Take three to five letters; write them over and over again, outside, illegally. Do it on surfaces not meant to be written on with a medium not designed for writing. Do it for years while trying not to get caught and, on top of that, make it look good. Come back and then we can talk about design challenges. Street art practitioners should have different goals for a different medium. Quit stepping on graffiti’s toes, there are new challenges and new directions you can to go in....'

• http://streetartblows.com

streetartblows.com

by ex-Pioneer Wed Jul 13, 2005 16:12

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by ex-Pioneer Fri Jul 15, 2005 13:43

somewhere in Dublin

by ex-Pioneer Tue Jul 19, 2005 15:02

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by dunk Wed Jul 20, 2005 13:09

did ye see what the lads are up to down in the rebel city?
http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=70860&condense_comments=false#comment115293

the sandinastas are showing us how to paint better, we are showing them a few films and other bits and pieces....

muralismo para todo la mondo

by yoof art project Fri Jul 22, 2005 07:08

Another "statement" from "the streets" no doubt.

"Parish Priest Fr Michael McLoughlin outside the church wall defaced with graffiti in Moycullen, Co Galway and, below, graphic messages on the walls of the school. The community awoke to find that their church, school and community centre had been vandalised."

See: http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/pictures.php3?ca=9&pi=362827&issue_id=12777

by Chop Fri Jul 22, 2005 13:58

It is the plural of Graffito.

by Gomie. - Connemara Hoolies Fri Jul 22, 2005 15:38

Brilliant stuff! Get them back for all their child molesting kids. Moycullen needs more of this sort of thing.