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category international | crime and justice | opinion/analysis author Thursday February 24, 2005 12:57author by Brian Nugentauthor address Co.Meath Report this post to the editors

Some thoughts on reading the book 'Stasiland' on a society dominated by the secret police.

In the summer of 1989 on the sweeping broad acres of central europe's East Germany a strange perplexing epidemic which had been smoldering for years was now touching everybody in the workers republic. The authorities couldn’t quite name this malady, because to do so was to address the problems it raised .The disease was the modern complaint of conspiracytheoryitis!

Apparently large numbers of people were walking around theorising that the democratic institutions of the state were a sham! Sure we have elections national and local, political parties large and small, coalition governments etc but it didn't matter who you voted for nothing ever changed!!! The powers that be did their own thing irrespective of the wishes of the people!

.And how is that? The reasonable people would ask nodding their sage heads and trying not to roll their eyes to heaven in a way that seemed appropriate when listening to these poor misguided souls.

Well you see the politicians and police and judiciary are all in thrall to the secret police who have them all blackmailed or threatened into doing what their told !(1) The same goes for the media ! They would confidently assert.

'I see' would come the inevitable non committal reply from those that knew that of course such police were only there to address the ongoing problems of internal subversion and other offences against the state, but his excitable neighbour continued:

And besides even if some politicians did try to change direction the truth was that their big brothers in the eastern block would step in secretly or otherwise and ensure uniformity among their gallant ‘allies’!

And so the debate raged across the hot summer and autumn until eventually in response to the popular unrest, or maybe because Moscow had quietly stepped back, the state fell and finally the people could learn the truth one way or the other. In Leipzig for example on the 4th of December the people rushed into the secret police (the Stasi) offices climbing the staircases and overpowering the few guards they expected to find the files that had held their secrets for so long .(2)

The first sight that greeted them though was not paper but row upon row of small filled glass bottles like some anatomy lab rather than a police headquarters. They were looking at the dirty underwear taken in burglaries and other means from the houses of all the 'dissidents' (meaning uncorrupt politically aware people) in Leipzig. That was a headscratcher even for the most extreme of the conspiracy theorists! It turns out that the Stasi wanted them as samples for their sniffer dogs who would use them to track the people corresponding to the samples (3). And then they learned , as the book 'Stasiland' has shown, that the extent and power of these intelligence agencies was far in advance of even the most extreme suspicions that the people had prior to being able to see the files.

How very interesting I hear you ask, but what has that to do with Ireland. We all shudder at the activities of the Stasi and of course it was terrible but nothing like that happens in a modern democracy. After all their whole system reeks of a kind of eastern tyranny that people in the west would never stand for! People being dragged out their beds by the secret police for some supposed offense against the state, held without trial for goodness knows how long, allowed access to lawyers only under total surveillance by their captors (4), and then marched into juryless courts where denied the right to silence they were frequently fitted up by a corrupt police! (5) Its lucky we live in Ireland....:-)

But the interesting thing is that we have been here already. Just after the fall of East Germany and other eastern block states the whole olympic movement was shaken by the revelations that the great East German athletes and sports people only earned their four year haul of medals by massive organised doping .After some shock as people everywhere adjusted to the idea of such widespread fraud buried underneath the popular tv of the olympics everything settled down with the comforting thought that at least such things didn’t happen in the west. As the 90s wore on I guess many people wondered at the success of so many athletes from the big western powers and the blatant doping that was involved but still whatever happened at least we were spared such worries about sport in little old Ireland ! I wonder what people think now.

Consider Peru: "Which of the democratic checks and balances - opposition parties, the judiciary, a free press - is the most critical? Peru has the full set of democratic institutions. In the 1990s, the secret-police chief Vladimiro Montesinos systematically undermined them all with bribes. We
quantify the checks using the bribe prices. Montesinos paid television-channel owners about
100 times what he paid judges and politicians. One single television channel’s bribe was four
times larger than the total of the opposition politicians’ bribes. By revealed preference, the
strongest check on the government’s power was the news media. "(6) And it proved no protection from the secret police chief who is widely considered to be a CIA asset. It may in short be too safe an assumption that such things as the Stasi revealed couldn't happen here.

The first thing to note about Irish intelligence agencies is that it might be a naive assumption to think that they are controlled by Irish people in Ireland. It turns out that the control of the main domestic intelligence agency 'Security and Intelligence' , then known as C3 , was formally handed over to the British government in the form of MI5 at a secret meeting at Baldonnel airport in early 1974.(7) The reason given was naturally the suppression of terrorism. Turns out that at that time the main terrorism in the state was being carried out by the British intelligence agencies themselves , including the attacks that lead to the passing of the 'Offences Against the State" act.(8) It seems that this agreement is still in force.C3 in turn controlled Garda Special Branch and some army officers from Irish army intelligence known as G2 found themselves unpromoted because they were 'cautious of the apparently unquestioning alliance between some senior Garda officers and British intelligence.' An interesting phoenix article that discusses this subject notes this information given from a legal source who has seen the evidence given to the Barron enquiry on the Dublin and Monaghan bombings:
"For years, a cabal of senior Garda officers, controlled by a foreign intelligence agency (MI5) directed state policy in many crucial areas, often against the better interests of citizens who were quite unaware of what was happening.”
Maybe people wouldn't stand for the kind of practices that occurred in East Germany, but they aren't likely to be objecting to something they know nothing whatsoever about. The article goes on to state that army intelligence officers from G2 believe that one senior garda, in cooperation with MI5, had tried to oust the then taoiseach Jack Lynch. MI5 in the UK meanwhile are known, as the article points out, to have bugged 10 Downing Street and broken into the private home of Harold Wilson, one of the few recent British prime ministers to question the atlantic consensus. Not long ago I read a report of an Irish business man who wanted to speak to somebody in charge of security at Dublin Airport as he wanted to question some point about the ID he had shown. The person he was introduced to turned out to be English and admitted that he worked for a British intelligence agency .A statement from the Gardai , I think , was issued later claiming he had been on some 'training exercise' in Ireland.(9). Meanwhile with respect to the American government here again is my much thumbed Phoenix Annual 2004 ( p68):

"How much the hear no evil , see no evil policy towards the US by the Garda Siochana and Irish military intelligence (G2) is due to political influence , indolence or something more sinister , is hard to determine . Certainly, in the last 10 years, links have developed between American intelligence agencies and the Gardai and defence forces which need to be examined. Most of the senior officers in Garda HQ have been trained by the FBI at Quantico near Washington, where they come into contact with CIA operatives. The US military attaché in Dublin is a respected guest at monthly meals with G2 officers in McKee Barracks, while his informal visits to Defence Forces GHQ at Parkgate are more frequent. .....[Shannon etc} may not be unconnected with the cosy relationship between the Pentagon's representative in Dublin and the top brass in the Defence Forces.”

In the absence of a look at those files it is obviously difficult to determine the extent or nature of the domestic intelligence agencies in Ireland but I think it might be instructive to look at two practices that the Stasi revealed and try to guess are they happening in Ireland.

One of the most startling revelations the files revealed was that the Stasi were using chemicals and radioactive substances on their version of "terrorist suspects" ( i.e. the dissidents.) as a kind of secret tag that could be monitored by hidden Geiger counters . As reported in the New Scientist magazine:

"The Stasi files revealed that dissidents were labeled with radioactive substances in a number of ways. If people could not be sprayed with a radioactive solution the spies would label their cars, documents or paper money, according to Becker.

If the floors of rooms used for meetings by dissidents could be treated, the Stasi could follow anyone who attended."(10)

Of course this had the effect of badly damaging the health of the dissidents, an effect which was no doubt excused as necessary for the security of the state but very bad news for those people unfortunate enough to be treated that way. For example the Stasi irradiated banknotes this way and calculated that if a person had more than two notes in his pocket:" the effect on his fertility `came close to castration.'"

The question is, is this practice, or some combination of it, being used right now by the western powers? One of the radioactive substances used was apparently scandium-64 and according to an article by the well known author Gordon Thomas it is now being used by the Israelis against the Palestinians (11), where it is described as "highly lethal over a lengthy period as it permeates clothing with gamma radiation".

In America this general substance comes under the misleading heading of nonlethal weapons .The New York Times reported for example on the subject on October 29, 2002 the time of the Russian theatre siege , saying :

"In interviews yesterday, senior American authorities and private experts said the agent used by the Russians was probably similar to one of a small arsenal of nonlethal weapons that the United States is quietly studying for use by soldiers and police officers against terrorists. Scientists said the United States had conducted research on Fentanyl, a well-known drug with many medical applications, as a human incapacitant for nearly a decade......
A main contractor in the work is the Institute for Emerging Defense Technologies at Pennsylvania State University. Andrew Mazzara, the institute's director, said that nonlethal weapons 'are used for peacekeeping, humanitarian assistance, noncombatant evacuation, hostage rescue, and domestic law enforcement and corrections facilities.' "(12)

It certainly seems possible that the use of radiation on suspects is part of the 'small arsenal' mentioned. In the UK and Ireland meanwhile I have seen two straws in the wind that seem to point this way .Firstly here is a quote from a book by Martin McGartland the RUC Special Branch's famous agent in Belfast in the 80s :
"The Special Branch had discovered a 'magic' spray which they would daub on the roof of a suspect car. The spray, invisible to the naked eye, could be picked up by a device fitted into a helicopter, and the mark would remain visible for a couple of weeks even if the car was washed and polished. It was one of the SB's most successful weapons in tracking IRA suspects and was the reason why so many IRA members were caught traveling around the country in what they thought were safe vehicles ."(13)

What could that be except a radioactive spray? Invisible to the naked eye and yet can be tracked by a helicopter? And if they are using it on cars how else are they using it? This second reference is from a memo sent to Turkish security forces from Aims Ltd a private British security company "which has close links to British intelligence and the SAS”, and leaked to the Sunday Times in 1999 :
"'Radiation detection. This is a method in which a radioactive source is placed in the target and the source is then monitored.
This can be done by aircraft or satellite. The downside is that the target succumbs to radiation poisoning in approximately 21 days. This has been used by certain nations when they have released PoWs.'

A security official involved in the deal said Aims proposed to irradiate the prisoners from a source hidden in a metal box on a table in an interrogation cell."(14)

Of course there are no prizes for guessing who the SAS got to practice this on first. As the above indicates they are remarkably cavalier with the health of those they classify as a threat to the state many of whom doubtless were never charged with any offense, because maybe they never committed any. It is impossible in truth to properly figure out what or how commonly used these substances and maybe devices in Ireland are but the above I think clearly shows that there is a use of chemical (and biological ?) weapons by the security forces against people they don’t like in western countries.

Unfortunately with the advance of technology and the amount of time and money that say the American government pours into this type of technology the chances are that what the Stasi were using might be old hat although the idea of chemically tagging someone might be still popular .For example maybe if those new 'see through' type of surveillance devices that are now rolled out in ports and airports were commonly used for human surveillance then it might be desirable for the security forces to be using some type of chemical to mark people in a way that would be particularly visible to such a device , in the same way that X-rays of blood vessels can be seen only after the patient has swallowed some drink that contains heavy metals like barium .Heavy metals being I suppose the best candidates for such a substance .It needn't be complicated to administer , for example a broken thermometer can throw up a very effective cloud of dangerous mercury vapour , mercury being a metal that vapourises into air at room temperature. Anyhow we can only guess in the absence of real facts from those secretive agencies.

Either way it’s clearly worthy of remark that so many people caught up in the troubles in Northern Ireland claim now to be suffering from ill health as a result of coming into contact with the security forces. You can see this in the recent reports of republican prisoners dying of cancer who blame the experimental gas that was used during a prison riot in the 70s and also the ongoing complaints from people living near the watch towers in South Armagh (15). You could also follow the logic of this and wonder whether or not this ill health in those perceived as 'enemies of the state' is something the authorities really dislike?

So much for the secretive poisoning of 'terrorist suspects' in the name of surveillance by the Stasi, the second tactic that the Stasi employed that I hope to look at is the question of isolating the 'dissidents'.

Basically the Stasi as the domestic intelligence agency were involved in watching and reporting to the state on the activities of that I suppose independent minded and therefore troublesome group of people that we now know as dissidents. No doubt they always justified this surveillance of such a large group of (basically harmless) people by hyping them up as a great threat to the security of the state. That of course is true of all domestic intelligence agencies everywhere in any era. But, contrary to what some might think, these agencies are not just glorified peeping toms, they also aim to actively prevent their 'suspects ' from having any political impact. Among other ways, what they try to do is to isolate groups and individuals (16).

To explain this I will try to give a hypothetical example .Lets take Anthony Coughlin (17) the well known opponent of further EU integration who we now know was monitored by Irish army intelligence prior to the first European Community referendum despite the fact that everybody knows he never had any involvement at any time with any paramilitary groups etc and you can be sure that the Irish state knew that but was spying on him anyway.(I wish to point out all this is genuinely hypothetical , I don't know much about Anthony Coughlin personally.) So they go about their merry way in the usual manner, following people on the street , intercepting mail and telephone calls , viewing banking records and any relevant files in any government departments etc etc building up quite a picture on their suspect as all these agencies do. But they have a problem. He simply isn't doing anything wrong and not breaking the law as is probably the case 99 per cent of the time these agencies are monitoring people. But the state would doubtless like very much to get the EEC referendum passed and would not be looking favourably on poor old Anthony doing his best to highlight the pitfalls in signing away so much of our sovereignty. So they still want to stop him and yet the whole idea of monitoring people in order to bring charges in court which is what law enforcement people are supposed to be doing is a non starter here. So to address this kind of problem some bright spark in some agency at some unrecorded moment in history thought up this idea of isolating people. They simply take the picture they have built up about the person, and the powers they are using in watching him, and attempt to restrict his ability to have a political impact.

Top of the list in a western country of course is financial isolation and pressure .So that letter that was intercepted in the mail, which they are constantly monitoring, with the lucrative or indeed any job offer gets lost in the post. The same possibly goes for checks in the mail, deadly for any small business. Whereas when they are just monitoring someone they can check out a persons place of employment by numerous discreet ways as part of this isolation process they might take a different approach. Some more high profile visits to his/her employer with questions that indicate what a troublemaker the target is might be in order and obviously could give an employer cold feet about continuing to employ the person. Any small business person is very vulnerable to the vagaries of the complicated and strictly applied tax code in this country .Troubles on that front could easily devastate a self-employed person (18). Nearly everybody has to interact as well with one or other government department which in some shape or form regulate all professions and businesses in the state and harm might come their way from there (19). The net effect of course is that a person with little money is maybe not able to get around to meetings and publish things like Anthony Coughlin has done in successive european campaigns. It is very effective at times of high costs of living such as modern Ireland of course. It might also leave a person very vulnerable to some new 'financial assistance' ,with strings attached , from their erstwhile enemies (20).Also there are eras when not having employment is considered the ultimate social sin and can damage a persons credibility by itself.(21).

This financial isolation and pressure can be aggravated by social isolation which is also of course useful for its own sake in this context .Clearly not having a car, place to stay, computer or whatever is not much of a problem when you are among a wide circle of friends and family who could lend a hand but very difficult to deal with for a person on his own. To achieve this social isolation they basically resort to slander, whispering campaigns, inaccurate information spread by the agencies themselves (22). To take up a phrase that was used to describe slander against the 'Daily Ireland' newspaper they simply accuse people of being either mad , bad or dangerous to know or some horrible mixture of all three .(23) Of course the agencies can use the information that they already would have gleaned on a persons family and acquaintances to tailor their slander at just the right concerns or prejudices of their listeners.(24) They also probably do this early and often , early because first impressions of a person or his activities count better than later ones and often to reinforce the slander so that it is taken eventually as a kind of widely acknowledged truth. They might also be able to use some technological wizardry to make their case. For example conceivably an older person being maligned as 'past it' could be slipped something that could cause temporary confusion in him/her, in order to reinforce the slander (25). Obviously doctored documents sound or video could be easily deployed here to discredit the victim , as it will likely never be seen by him/her never mind shown in court and therefore easily forged.(26)

Mad of course is the old standby of the eastern bloc agencies but it clearly has also been used in the west (27 ). It combines a neat way to discredit what a person is saying with a smoother passage to a locked cell than the judicial system can sometimes give. As a nice Orwellian twist a person that alleges some kind of grand state conspiracy against himself/herself is likely to get there all the sooner.

Bad in Ireland probably means claiming that a person is a member of a paramilitary organisation
when they are not, like classically in the case of Pat Finucane or maybe whispering that a person is connected to the drug trade. This kind of thing could be useful in the event of a person being killed as well since some statement like that the victim was 'known to the police' can scare away too much public interest and disquiet. Which thankfully has not succeeded in the case of the abovementioned solicitor. In the case of a high profile person this could be done through the organs of the media rather than at a personal level .This might also manifest itself in false charges (28), here is the Phoenix magazines recent impression of the influence the Gardai in Ireland can have in the media:

"Many of the Garda problems stem from a culture of secrecy and media manipulation which has evolved as a result of 30 years of largely political policing in the North. The regular Garda practice of demonizing suspects and bringing them, in the absence of courtroom proof, to nudge-and-wink trial in the media, still goes on .An example of this unofficial, symbiotic relationship between certain gardai and the media - and not just various tabloids - came in the classic ‘Sunday World ' report that the then emerging Donegal scandal was an IRA plot to discredit Special Branch. "(29)

Also as part of the ongoing surveillance it might be possible to change the nature of the surveillance in a way that assists this process. While before on entering a hotel say he/she might be watched discreetly by some nondescript person glancing up from his paper the other side of the ornamental flowers now an operative could noisily approach staff or the management enquiring about the whereabouts of their 'suspect' and just between themselves outlining a terrible saga of infamy culminating in the odd bout of kleptomania in hotel rooms!! So getting in the early slander (30).

Finally a little bit of more formal official state interference might be in order as part of this policy of isolation .In the Soviet Union for example they had a system of internal passports so clearly a person not in good standing might be refused permission to travel about which is doubtless helpful in restricting their political influence. The same would be especially true of exit visas to travel abroad. Meanwhile in many western countries it is increasingly the case that without proper ID you cannot book a room, open a bank account, and even enter pubs and clubs. Of course in theory there is no problem getting such ID, but 'bureaucratic' difficulties could arise (31) .Obviously this might become even more of an issue with the talk of biometric IDs being compulsory for doing nearly anything.

As well as the footnotes to the above I have seen the following which seems to indicate that this is practiced in the west .This is a quote from a former 'US intelligence agent trained at a national level ' in describing the results of research by her into a number of reported cases of harassment presumably by an intelligence agency in the US:

"Isolation of the individual from members of his/her immediate family-virtually assured when highly focused forms of ....... harassment commence.

Progressive financial impoverishment, brought on by termination of the individual’s employment, and compounded by expenses associated with the harassment."(32)

Whistleblowers would seem a common term in the west for those which we refer to in the east as dissidents .Here is a description of what happens to whistleblowers usually in the UK according to Liam Clarke the well known Sunday Times journalist:

“In Britain whistleblowers such as White are generally subjected to a campaign of character assassination. It is suggested they are crooks or Walter Mitty-type characters, and they then face years of expensive litigation to clear their names. "(33)


Of course the Stasi and the KGB had a lot of other weapons in their armoury like assassination, I have just concentrated on these two tactics. I just hope that people would agree with me that these practices should be prevented from taking root in Ireland as immoral and in any civilised country illegal and might join with me in condemning them. If you think so, and think it worthwhile, any reader can also send this article around as an email attachment to any person you think might feel the same way.

Footnotes
I am very grateful and would like to profoundly acknowledge all the hard work put in by so many people in making so much of these articles and detail available on the web. This includes those read and not listed below .This is my modest contribution to same.

(1) If you feel the need to speculate on these issues you might like to note that at the time of the Emmet Stagg affair it was reported that the Gardai have a practice of passing onto headquarters any details that might be considered compromising for at least some politicians .This was said to be in order to protect the politician from possible blackmail. Also with respect to the banks and Charles Haughey it was noted that his financial affairs were handled "at the highest level in the bank” apparently because of the sensitive position that Haughey held, and it was dealt with remarkably generously. ( http://archives.tcm.ie/irishexaminer/1999/02/18/ihead.htm )

(2) www.bbc.co.uk/education/languages/germany_insideout/east1.html

In Ireland the files held in great secrecy by special branch date from the Fenian troubles of the 1860’s. (http://www.atholbooks.org/archives/publicarchives/pastlabcom/labcomjan04.html quoting The Phoenix 19/12/2003.) Meanwhile one historian Christy Campbell had only intermittent and heavily censored access to secret service files relating to Ireland of the 1880s held in the PRO London.(Christy Campbell "Fenian Fire" (2002) p.xxi ) .Nonetheless he was able to figure out that the 'outrages' and terrorism that had Britain and Ireland in thrall at that time and attributed to the nefarious activities of Irish dynamiters were in fact nearly all in the employ of various branches of the British government and used by them for political purposes. And that’s only the files in the PRO, secret service papers that show some of the bribery that passed the act of union were kept so secret that their "very existence was not revealed to the modern PRO until nearly 200 years later ". (‘History, Journal of the Historical Association 'Jan 1997 Vol.82 no.265 p.225) Closed for the same 200 years were the court martial records of the 1798 rebellion (Brian Barton "From Behind a Closed Door" p31 (2002)). From which you might deduct that the secrecy these files are kept in are not paranoia but important in keeping Irish people clueless about what really went on during their supposedly violent history .

In Puerto Rico, a country dominated by the United States, the authorities had files on over 100,000 people:
"Over half a century the police unit built up a vast network of informers--everyday people like the victims themselves. Other governmental and private institutions also provided information for the files. .....
Information in the carpetas [secret police files] allegedly was used to deny employment or take other punitive actions such as unlawful arrests against Puerto Ricans from every walk of life, from students and teachers to farmers and cab drivers, lawyers and artists.
.......
When the dossiers were released in 1992, many islanders--including school teachers, union leaders and writers--were shocked to learn that friends, neighbors and family members had secretly spied on them for years.
One client of Hey Maestre, a 16-year-old high school student, had books and other materials confiscated in Puerto Rico after attending an international socialist youth activity in Finland. He claims authorities then expelled him from school and blocked his admission to college.

The carpetas also were used in child custody hearings and employment interviews. And in some cases, entire families were drawn into the web of state spying because one member was considered 'subversive.' " (http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/puertorico/carpetas.htm quoting the Washington Post dec 28 1999.)


(3) Of course if these tactics are employed now in advanced western countries they are highly likely to be using the various types of electronic 'noses' that have been developed rather than dogs. The reference is from the book 'Stasiland'.


(4) This whistleblower has shown that political prisoners in Belmarsh prison in London have in practice no privacy from the security forces for legal matters:
"The Big Breach; From Top Secret to Maximum Security" by Richard Tomlinson, (2001) p185.

(5)This is a sample of some of the serious issues the Morris Tribunal is examining, which might be of interest in this context:
Anonymous Allegations SITECONTENT_113.pdf .page 1..[allegations made by one or multiple gardai - the source to Howlin is said to be a serving Dublin garda , the source to Higgins a retired Donegal garda -of garda corruption being investigated by the Morris Tribunal , inter alia :]
"(ii) When working with these two high ranking members of An
Garda Síochána he was alleged to have been given the job of
producing evidence by unlawful means to prove a case beyond
reasonable doubt whenever such evidence “had to be got”;
(iii) In this regard a large number of convictions were achieved by
planting evidence and it is alleged that both of the high ranking
Gardaí were aware that the member under investigation was the
source of trumped up evidence used in this manner;
(iv) The member under investigation gained from his actions of
producing trumped up evidence which secured convictions in that
he had paid to him extra expenses in the form of unworked
overtime/travelling and subsistence allowances which continued
up to 1998 and that he was given blanket permission to claim
such expenses;”

Also a report by Barry O'Kelly in the Sunday Business Post Jan 29 2002 on the trial in the case of one of the most serious crimes in modern Irish history makes interesting reading. It’s not stated there but reported at the time that one of the witnesses in the case during the trial stated that he gave false testimony because of intimidation by the Gardai.
(archives.tcm.ie/businesspost/2002/01/20/story57787728.asp)
(The witness discussed at: http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=68131&comment_order=asc&save_prefs=true )

(6) "How to subvert democracy, Montesinos in Peru” http://www.cesifo.de/pls/guestci/download/CESifo+Working+Papers+2004/CESifo+Working+Papers+April+2004/cesifo1_wp1173.pdf

(7) "The Phoenix" July 2003 Vol 21 no 14 p 8-10.This agreement was first revealed to the public in Ireland ,as far as I know, by Fred Holroyd at a meeting of' 'Justice for the Forgotten' in Dublin on the 27th June 2003.It was not reported in the media. Major Holroyd was told this by a Doctor Hugh Thomas who served as medical officer for the large British contingent at the discussions at Baldonnel.

(8) See both above listed sources. That is also the Phoenix article mentioned next in the text.

(9) I regret I have forgotten which newspaper I read that in.

(10) http://216.87.7.9/Intel%20Bulletin/Intel%20Bulletin%20020010105.htm

(11) http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:oqWY3afKkKUJ:lists.village.virginia edu/cgi-bin/spoons/archive_msg.pl%3Ffile%3Ddeleuze-guattari.archive/deleuze-guattari.0104%26msgnum%3D75%26start%3D6930%26end %3D7035
+scandium-64&hl=en


(12) http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/dll/knockoutgas2.htm

(13) Martin McGartland "Fifty Dead Men Walking"(1998), p269.

(14) Sunday Times 31st October 1999

(15) On the gas used: http://www.geocities.com/collusion2000_1999/news7.html
Where the local people have been driven to putting up road signs trying to highlight the cancer and health problems they say are being caused by devices used in those towers. Gerry Conlon (" Proved Innocent" (1990)) also said that he was sometimes poisoned while a prisoner in England.

(16) I have not seen this practice explained explicitly anywhere , just in passing in 'stasiland' .I have written it partly from that book and partly from the sources noted in the footnotes .

(17) Article by Ryle Dwyer at IrishExaminer.com 8/1/2005.

(18) This testimony of Thomas Gilligan at the Mahon tribunal is possibly of interest here, bearing in mind that he had some very dramatic things to say about politicians in Ireland, none of it complimentary to the powers that be:
p.75. "A No, I didn't get profit. I was actually made bankrupt through skulduggery.
Q 433 We'll come to that in a moment. As far as this is concerned, that you made
profit and what is more important about this is that these documents show that
the driving force behind your involvement in these two investments was to make
a massive profit on a small investment.
A Wrong. That was not the driving force at all. I could have been -- I had a 20
million pound deal in Milton Keynes going on, which I lost due to the
skulduggery in this country. I didn't need the bank.
Q 434 But as far as the question of you ending up without any money is concerned,
that was not to do with Quarryvale --
A It was to do with Quarryvale, and Frank Dunlop and false information supplied
to the British Inland Revenue by your client and his merry men.
Q 435 That, I would suggest to you, is a ridiculous suggestion.
A No, it's not ridiculous. It's an absolute fact, and I will prove it.
Q 436 Did the inland --
A It's an absolute fact and I'll prove it.
p.76. Q 437 Did the Inland Revenue make you bankrupt?
A The Inland Revenue in England did on a false claim, supplied by one Mr. Frank
Dunlop, the government press secretary, and Mr. O'Callaghan's side-kick.
Q 438 So Mr. O'Callaghan -- you seem to portray yourself as the victim at every stage
in relation to this. The Inland Revenue took proceedings against you and
bankrupted you; is that correct?
A That's correct, on false information, and I can prove it. I lost a 20 million
pound deal in Milton Keynes, as well as an office block that I had already
built and paid for, due to a false claim. And the law in England is -- when it
comes to an Irishman, you're guilty until proven innocent. I didn't get
justice there and I didn't get justice here. "

( TUESDAY, 16TH MARCH 2004 , CONTINUATION OF QUESTIONING OF
MR. THOMAS GILMARTIN BY MR. MAGUIRE. , SITECONTENT_255.pdf p.75-76 www.flood-tribunal.ie )

(19) Major Holroyd at the above mentioned Dublin meeting also stated that Dr Hugh Thomas was set up on false charges by the state who claimed he has defrauded the NHS as part of his practice as a doctor. He luckily managed to show that some of the documents the state were using were forged .Apparently he detected it by seeing a wrong sized welsh dragon on the forms.

Also Pat Rabitte in the Dail has highlighted the case of farmer John Fleury .It is a truism in the farming community that their economic troubles are in large measure caused by a political powerful oligopoly in the meat processing industry and to counteract that the only recourse they have are live cattle exports. Unfortunately some time ago the shipping companies refused to export any cattle and some people including Mr. Fleury brought them to court to compel them to allow the exports and were successful, so making many enemies it seems. He highlighted his subsequent strange problems with the Department of Agriculture , which has a very powerful impact on the life of a farmer , on the Vincent Browne radio show .Pat Rabitte was contacted it seems while Mr. Fleury was trying to protect his house from the banks. ( www.gov.ie/debates-03/13May/Sect2.htm ).

(20) Again at that meeting Major Holroyd said he had been approached to take up a very lucrative job offer as a security consultant for a multinational company. It is clear that this would be on the understanding that he stopped making his allegations of abuses in the intelligence system in Northern Ireland. This was after he had been through the difficulties described below.

He also related the story of an unnamed Dublin journalist who initially gave a lot of publicity to some of the issues he raises but as a result lost his job, couldn't pay the mortgage, gave up and is now working for a very right wing paper.

(21) At the same Dublin meeting listed above Major Holroyd mentioned how they at times make it difficult for him to get employment and then sneer that he cannot hold down a job. Major Holroyd did describe this generally as a process of 'isolating' people (his word) but he didn’t go into any detail and in fact used the word in a slightly different context. Obviously he worked in British military intelligence in Northern Ireland in the 70s.

(22) It seems the Stasi particularly enjoyed spreading false rumors that a person was a Stasi informant. (.http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:JPIoNL09Ec4J:www.utopie1.de/stasi/heinrich/englisch1.htm+&hl=en
stasi tactics )

(23) Daily Ireland Thursday February 10 2005 article by Jude Collins p.15.He says that some of the abuse heaped on the paper was so 'early' it was before the paper was actually launched.

(24) Richard Tomlinson for example, the MI6 whistleblower, claims that private detectives hired by MI6 told his landlady in Italy that he was a convicted pedophile. He also states that MI6 threatened him with lifelong harassment .(www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/pipermail/ukcrypto/2001-Febrary/014745.html )

According to evidence at a recent libel trial in Cork Brendan O'Brien the RTE journalist received an unsolicited telephone call from Noel O'Flynn TD while he was interviewing two gardai in the course of a programme unflattering to the Gardai. In it the FF TD referred to one of the retired gardai as having mental problems and the other as having been thrown out of the force for alcoholism and stealing. Jerry McCarthy one of the gardai slandered managed to win the libel case showing this to be completely untrue. The TD told O'Brien that he had "heard he was meeting with a garda" no further details are reported as to how he knew to ring the journalist at that time. (home.eircom.net/content/unison/national/4225483?view=Printer )

(25) The use of drugs that effect the mind in various ways is testified to by General Major Jan Sejna who described over 50 intelligence operations where drugs were used like that .He defected from Czechoslovakia in 1968 and had formerly being the head of the Defense Council Secretariat and Chief of Staff to the Minister for Defence in that country. This link also notes that the CIA conducted research in the 1950s into inter alia drugs that could "cause mental disturbance" and "diminish ambition and working efficiency ". (www.apfn.net/messageboard/12-06-03/discussion.cgi.20.html ).

(26) This is exactly what occurred to Sir Roger Casement with the black diaries which many people still consider to be forged and which were shown around to influential people to counteract sympathy for him before he was hung. They were never shown in court or to him or to the general public at the time. Considering then views on homosexuality he was clearly painted thus as mad and bad and consequently dangerous to know!
Consider also the case of Peter Foster the partner of Carole Caplin, an adviser with ready access to the Prime Minister, who got the full tabloid treatment recently. A number of telephone conversations said to have been intercepted between him in Australia and his mother in Dublin were reported verbatim in the Sun newspaper. Fosters' supporters stated that a number of different phone calls were mixed up together and "strategically edited" in a way that presented a completely misleading picture .Peter Foster describes his experiences thus:
"Over the last few weeks papers have reported: I am an agent for Mossad, I am facing extradition to Australia to face criminal charges, I sold emails to the Daily Mail, I am the father of twins I've never seen, my business in Australia was founded on drugs money, I sent an email to Paul Walsh attempting to tie the Blairs into my product, I have a brother called Paul, I was touting to sell my story to the British media for 100,000 pounds ....
And tomorrow I now hear it will be suggested I am gay. I could go on but none of these things are true. But I had no chance to challenge these lies. Where did they come from? Could it be I had to be discredited by the establishment? "( politics.guardian.co.uk/cherie/story/0,12713,861220,00.html )

Note the smooth relationship between the intelligence agencies, the only people who realistically could have recorded the conversations, and the tabloids. Incidentally it is said they were bugged in Dublin where Louise Pelloti Peter's mother lives .The Sun decided not to run the transcripts in its Irish edition.

Philip Agee the famous CIA dissident was very busy in the agency forging documents (Philip Agee "Inside the Company, CIA Diary" (1975).


(27) The poet Ezra Pound was said to have been placed in a psychiatric hospital in Washington for many years as a result of making some powerful enemies .Quoting Eustace Mullins:
"Well I met a political prisoner, a man who had been imprisoned because he stood up for the Constitution of the United States: a poet named Ezra Pound. And he had been incarcerated, without trial, in St. Elizabeth's Hospital in Washington, D.C."( www.soren.org/gov/eustace.html )

Meanwhile it has been alleged in a new Irish magazine that some of the former patients in the Magdalen Laundries have been housed in dubious circumstances in Grangegormon mental institution in Dublin ('Irish Crime' vol.1 issue.7 Dec-Jan 2004/05 p11) There have been lots of rumours that some of the abuse suffered by children in religious institutions was connived at by powerful politicians and civil servants. See the ongoing research by Jim Cairns author of "Disappeared off the face of the earth " including an article entitled "Abusers to be named on the net "by Carmel Hayes in the 'Kilkenny People' June 1997.

Also note the campaign of disinformation via private briefings by CIA agent Brian Latell on Capitol Hill accusing President Aristide of Haiti of seeking treatment for mental problems and subsequently leaked to the media. "It turned out that the time during which the CIA report alleges Aristide was treated at a Canadian hospital falls within the same period that Aristide was studying and teaching in Israel.” (http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/RIE402A.html )

These are some of the expeirences of Robert Dougal Watt an auditor in the EU :
"The Court has certainly done its best to discredit me; publicly denying all my allegations, publicly promising disciplinary procedures, and off-the-record insisting that I am as mad as a hatter.
...........If I return to work without public acknowledgement by the Court that my allegations of 22 April are soundly based, then I assume I will be disciplined, and possibly bankrupted by Mr [B]’s claim of defamation."

Of course another point is that under the kind of stress people in this situation are likely to encounter problems can arrise which can be easily and deliberately misinterpreted . Mr Watt begins one of his letters thus :

"However, I feel I should point out straight away - given the nature of the contents of this letter, and given that in my understanding you have been deliberately misled to date regarding my mental state - that neither my doctor in Luxembourg, nor my doctor in Scotland, has diagnosed me as paranoid or in any way, “mad”. I have been prescribed beta-blockers and sleeping pills for stress, and an anti-depressant for anxiety; but both doctors have assured me that stress and anxiety are the rational responses of an individual who finds him/herself in circumstances such as mine. This stress and anxiety arise from much more than worry about holding on to my job and pension entitlements - which I knowingly placed at risk on 22 April; but from concern over the physical well-being of my family and myself - which I did not knowingly place at risk. "

and is driven to finishing his letter :

" I conclude, I am not paranoid; only terrified.

Yours faithfully,

R Dougal WATT
Auditor
17 June 2002 "
( http://www.justresponse.net/DougalWatt3Sep02.html )


(28) This seems a very common practice .See for example the experiences of Rodney Stich, a veteran of WW2 and a noted writer on abuses in the aviation industry and other areas in American society .Summing up an episode in his book Defrauding America a reviewer notes:
"As a result of Stich's continuous whistle blowing, retaliation ensued when his assets were seized (to take away the funding of Stich's activist activities) through misuse of chapter 11 bankruptcy proceedings, and his refusal to "surrender" eventually led to him being sentenced to prison on trumped up charges. "(the amazon.com page on "Defrauding America..." by Rodney Stich)

While Colin Wallace , another panelist at the abovementioned Dublin meeting and formerly a senior figure in the liaison between the security forces and the media in northern Ireland., is such a famous case they wrote a book about it (Paul Foot "Who framed Colin Wallace"(1989)).Major Colin Wallace was particularly trying to tell people that the government permitted Kincora and he also asks as Tim Dalyell MP related in the House of Commons: "why do we allow Army-related intelligence services to harass politicians ? This was long before the world had heard of Peter Wright; it is the reason why Wallace was thrown out of Northern Ireland, and then harassed." (www.parliament.the-stationary-office.co.uk/pa/cm198889/cmhansrd/1989-10-18/Debate-6.html and
www.parliament.the-stationary-office.co.uk/pa/cm198889/cmhansrd/1989-06-08/Debate-5.html )

(29) The Phoenix Annual 2004, p 62

(30) Ralph McGehee the ex-CIA agent who revealed a lot of that agencies nefarious goings on in Thailand describes such a process as happening to him. He points out that: "I suppose the internal justification for their actions is to investigate me in a 'counterintelligence' investigation," he wrote in one message, "but their actions are so blatant, its real purpose can only be to intimidate me."
( http://www.parascope.com/articles/1197/mcgehee3.htm )
His experiences in the CIA are described here:
http://home1.gte.net/res0k62m/mcgehee.htm

(31) In the case of one person from the UK arrested just before the Mayday protests in Dublin and charged only with trespassing, she had her passport confiscated as one of the bail conditions. The case took forever to get to court and without such ID she couldn't even claim social welfare.
( https://www3.indymedia.org.uk/en/2004/05/291959.html )

Eamonn Delaney who used to work in the department of foreign affairs revealed in his book "Accidental Diplomat, My years in the Irish Foreign Service” that there is a blacklist there to prevent certain people from ever claiming Irish passports despite being eligible for them. He at any rate seemed to regard it as quite arbitrary the criteria that caused some people to go on the list.

Also the post 9-11 steps taken on air travel in America that are supposed to restrict travel by 'terrorist suspects' have actually impeded travel by people like Cat Stevens and Edward Kennedy,
a 71-year-old Milwaukee nun and peace activist, and Barbara Olshansky, an attorney with the left-leaning Center for Constitutional Rights, who has been:"subjected to strip- and full-body searches every time she's flown since 9/11, even though she has no criminal record. "
(http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/06/terror/main610466.shtml
http://www.jdlasica.com/blog/archives/2003_08_03.html )


(32) http://home.att.net/~mcra/microwav.htm
Association of National Security Alumni December 1992 Julianne McKinney.

This person is an expert in the use of those strange devices like those used in the famous microwave attack by the Soviet Union on the US embassy in Moscow mentioned by Henry Kissinger:

“In April 1976, Secretary of State Henry Kissinger sent the following telegram to the US Embassy in Moscow: “Beginning in 1960, the Soviet Union directed high frequency beams of radiation at the US Embassy in Moscow which were calculated not to pick up intelligence, but cause physiological effects on personnel. It has been verified that the effects are not temporary. Definitely tied to such radiation and the UHF/VHF electromagnetic waves are: (A) Cataracts, (B) Heart attacks, (C) Malignancies, (D) Circulatory problems, and (E) Permanent deterioration of the nervous system. In most cases, the after-effects do not become evident until long after exposure - a decade or more.”"
(http://www.wanttoknow.info/mindcontrollers10pg )

In the McKinney quote I am guilty of leaving out the adjective electronic as I am trying to extrapolate the idea that these agencies aim for isolation in their targets, from the speculation that they use these devices to achieve it .I'm not saying there is no justification in what she says .Bearing in mind she is rumored to have run agents out of Berlin for the Pentagon it seems those gadgets were used extensively during the cold war. To get a list of the sort of technology I am talking about I recommend this manual www.usafa.af.mil/inss/OCP/ocp15.pdf . Note the url, the af.mil is the official web space of the American air force, hence the list it supplies is clearly taken seriously by at least one branch of the US government. This is the title :

"NONLETHAL WEAPONS:
TERMS AND REFERENCE
USAF Institute for National Security Studies
USAF Academy, Colorado

Robert J. Bunker
December 1996

We believe you will find this reference book to be a useful addition to
the current literature on nonlethal weapons. Its target audience is individuals
who deal with military operations other than war, special operations, or
weapons procurement and sales."

As you see from that last quote the only areas really left are some type of law enforcement /intelligence capacity .I cannot describe all the technologies because there are a so many different types of horrible devices pointed at people to make them ill or catch them like microwaves, infrared, ultrasound .etc. all described here in a clinical sobriety .Here is a few to give you some idea of how wide-ranging this is .From the spooky:
"Hologram, Death. Hologram used to scare a target individual to death.
Example, a drug lord with a weak heart sees the ghost of his dead rival
appearing at his bedside and dies of fright ."

to the mind boggling :
"Biotechnical, Neuro-Implant. Computer implants into the brain which allow
for behavioral modification and control. Current research is experimental in
nature and focuses on lab animals such as mice"

or just disagreeable:
"Biotechnical, Malodorous Agents. Foul-smelling gases and sprays such as
hydrogen sulphide (H2S) or a compound known as NaS8 which is used in
making plastics. Could be delivered by a grenade. Past work on "cultural
specific" agents has also been undertaken [356,529]. See also Biotechnical,
Project Agile"

or ambitious :
"Theoretical, New Gunpowder Revolution. The perception that the wide scale
application of nonlethal technology on the battlefield will be as significant as
the fielding of gunpowder based firearms during the European Renaissance "

As you can see under the heading nonlethal can lay a multitude of evils:
"Biotechnical, Genetic Alteration. The act of changing genetic code to create a
desired less-than-lethal but longterm disablement effect, perhaps for
generations, thereby creating a societal burden."

As far as I know the simple truth is that the use or otherwise of these devices in Ireland is simply unknown, but hopefully unlikely.

(33) http://www.allaboutaccount.com/finding-a-secret-bank-account-in-a-divorce.html quoting from www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2091-1452653,00.html .
Detective Sergeant John White and his informant Paddy Dixon have alleged that Garda authorities permitted the Omagh bomb 'to go through' .They "also allege that a clandestine deal between the Irish government and the Real IRA just weeks after the bombing led to charges being dropped against eight men arrested following the explosion." ( http://observer.guardian.co.uk/nireland/story/0,11008,1066420,00.html )

I have concentrated in this account on the known activities of some intelligence agencies but possibly the real pattern of these networks comes from the experiences of P2 in Italy.As everybody knows this is a masonic lodge which controlled much of Italian politics in the post war period , possibly set up and certainly backed by the CIA , exercising effective control for its own ends the domestic Italian intelligence agencies and affiliated with the senior English Grand Lodge in London.So maybe this policy of isolation that I describe can be carried out by a wider group than simply a state controlled domestic intelligence agency .Robert Dougal Watt an auditor with EU Court of Auditors describes an atmosphere in the EU where the freemasons/mafia/ and western intelligence agencies seek to dominate and influence the political life of the EU .Here is some of his analysis of P2 and its leader Gelli:

"As part of this general US policy, from 1947 onwards the US Office of Strategic Services, forerunner of the CIA, undertook a number of initiatives designed to secure the defence of Western Europe from these twin threats of internal communist subversion and Soviet invasion.

Freemasonry - persecuted by Hitler, Mussolini and Vichy - was revived in post-1945 continental Europe with the support of US covert agencies. These encouraged freemasonry as “secret networks” of society’s powerful: useful for combatting internal communist subversion, by covert as well as overt means; and foreseen as useful for anti-communist civil resistance, in the event of Soviet invasion and occupation.

US covert agencies were also instrumental in resurrecting the mafia - crushed by Mussolini - as a bulwark against communism in Italy’s impoverished south. Until c.1970, the mafia fulfilled this role, to which it owed its origins in the nineteenth century: of combating those enemies of the established order against whom the authorities could or would not act; in return for implicit toleration of their extortion and other rackets.
........
The P2 conspiracy was initially attributed to KGB subversion - every Italian political party was compromised by the scandal, with the exception of the Communist Party. However, this attribution - traceable directly to the Italian secret services, themselves compromised by P2; indirectly to the CIA; and also promulgated by British secret services - was discredited by the following Italian parliamentary enquiry. Upon the basis of a detailed study of Gelli’s personal history and secret service dossier, the enquiry concluded “that Gelli himself must belong to the secret services, since this is the only logical explanation for the cover they gave Gelli, both in a passive way (not gathering information on him) and an active one (not providing information about him to political authorities who requested it)” (quoted in Short, p550). However, given that Venerable Master Gelli himself was “puppet-master” of all three of Italy’s secret service chiefs, his status seems to have been greater than merely “national”. In this light, it can be deduced that P2 owed its origins to US “cold war” policy, in a period when the Italian Communist Party was receiving one third of the electoral vote, and rising in popularity. This conclusion is consistent with US action following revelation of the conspiracy; pressure was applied on the Italian government by NATO, to keep in post the senior military, naval, air force and secret service chiefs compromised by the scandal, ostensibly due to a need to maintain stability during a period marked by uncertainty in the Middle East. "

(http://www.justresponse.net/DougalWatt3Sep02.html and the links therein , note that Mr Watt has written three documents on this subject and his own experiences all of which are extremely interesting and all three should be read by anyone interested in the EU.
http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/P2.html for more on P-2 .
http://www.skepticfiles.org/socialis/cosiga3a.htm for evidence of CIA involvement.)

P-2 being a Masonic lodge , and in good standing with the Grand Lodge in London as told to Mr Watt , is maybe relevant to this practice of isolation.This is an account from a man described as a senior civil servant in Whitehall as told to Stephen Knight during his researches on freemasony in England :

" 'It is not difficult to ruin a man,' he said. 'And I will tell you how it is done time and again. There are more than half a million brethren under the jurisdiction of Grand Lodge.
Christopher explained that Masonry's nationwide organization of men from most walks of life provided one of the most efficient private intelligence networks imaginable. Private information on anybody in the country could normally be accessed very rapidly through endless permutations of masonic contacts - police, magistrates, solicitors, bank managers, Post Office staff ('very useful in supplying copies of a man's mail'), doctors, government employee bosses of firms and nationalized industries etc., etc. dossier of personal data could be built up on anybody very quickly. When the major facts of an individual's life were known, areas of vulnerability would become apparent. Perhaps he is in financial difficulties; perhaps he has some social vice - if married he might 'retain a mistress' or have proclivity for visiting prostitutes; perhaps there is something in his past he wishes keep buried, some guilty secret, a criminal offence (easily obtainable through Freemason police of doubtful virtue), or other blemish on his character: all these and more could be discovered via the wide-ranging masons network of 600,000 contacts, a great many of whom were disposed to do favours for one another because that had been their prime motive for joining.

Sometimes this information gathering process - often involving a long chain of masonic contacts all over the country and possibly abroad - would be unnecessary. Enough would be known in advance about the adversary to initiate any desired action against him.
I asked how this 'action' might be taken.
'Solicitors are very good at it,' said Christopher. 'Get your man involved in something legal - it need not be serious - and you have him.' Solicitors, I was told, are 'past masters' at causing endless delays, generating useless paperwork, ignoring instruc

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I left out the end :
ignoring instructions, running up immense bills, misleading clients into taking decisions damaging to themselves.
Masonic police can harass, arrest on false charges, and plant evidence. 'A businessman in a small community or person in public office arrested for dealing in child pornography, for indecent exposure, or for trafficking in drugs is at the end of the line,' said Christopher. 'He will never work again. Some people have committed suicide after experiences of that kind.'
Masons can bring about the situation where credit companies and banks withdraw credit facilities from individual clients and tradesmen, said my informant. Bank can foreclose. People who rely on the telephone for their work can be cut off for long periods. Masonic employees of local authorities can arrange for a person's drains to be inspected and extensive damage to be reported, thus burdening the person with huge repair bills; workmen carrying out the job can 'find' - In reality cause - further damage. Again with regard to legal matters, a fair hearing is hard to get when a man in ordinary circumstances is in financial difficulties. If he is trying to fight a group of unprincipled Freemasons skilled in using the 'network' it will be impossible because masonic Department of Health and Social Security and Law Society officials can delay applications for Legal Aid endlessly.
'Employers, if they are Freemasons or not, can be given private information about a man who has made himself an enemy of Masonry. At worst he will be dismissed (if the information is true) or consistently passed over for promotion.'
Christopher added, 'Masonic doctors can also be used. But for some reason doctors seem to be the least corruptible men. There are only two occurrences of false medical certificates issued by company doctors to ruin the chances of in individual getting a particular job which I know about. It's not a problem that need greatly worry us like the rest.'
...............you finish up not knowing who you can trust. You can get no help because your story sounds so paranoid that you are thought a crank, one of those nuts who think the whole world is a conspiracy against them. It is a strange phenomenon. By setting up a situation that most people will think of as fantasy, these people can poison every part of a person's life.
......
When that happens [complete isolation] and they are without friends wherever they look, they become easy meat. The newspapers will not touch them'.
'There is no defence against an evil which only the victims and the perpetrators know exists.' "
( http://www.tlio.demon.co.uk/masons.htm )

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my friend's father committed suicide after fifteen years of protesting for democracy and liberty fraternity and equality and being harrassed and tortured by the Stassi. He was a mason.
there are bad police and good police, investigations into low ranking masons in the British police forces have been ongoing since the abuse of the bonds of brotherhood during a case in 1928 when a member attempted to give a sign to a judge to sway his judgement. No high ranking mason of york, scot or french rite has ever been a police officer.

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Ok I believe you .I didnt mean to say that the stasi were the good guys in any case.

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Ezra Pound was facing treason charges when he was declared insane - if anything, it was in Pounds' interest, as it would mean avoiding trial and a possible death sentence.

Peter Foster is not a reliable source of information as he is a convicted con man. Back in the 1980s, he promoted a "slimming aid" called Bai Lin tea, promoted by his then girlfriend Samantha Fox. (Yes, the former topless model.)

As for the invisible tracking paint, I'm not sure if it's radioactive - if the vehicle is being tracked by helicopter the detector would have to be at a distance from the car (for no other reason than not being obvious to the person being tracked). This brings up the question of what distance the material can be tracked from. It might be some non-radioactive dye such as something that might be visible in a camera that can see in ultra-violet. However, we know little about the dye apart from what you mention and I'd have to look up the details of how detectable radioactive materials are at a given distance, so I'll call that inconclusive.

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"Ezra Pound was facing treason charges when he was declared insane - if anything, it was in Pounds' interest, as it would mean avoiding trial and a possible death sentence."

Since there therefore was no trial we dont know that they had enough evidence to convict him. Also Eustace Mullins who was his good friend is hardly going to make such a big deal about being locked up in the mental hospital 'if it was in Pounds interests'.

'Peter Foster is not a reliable...'
Clearly they have a lot to go on with him but still what is the explanation here then if it isnt as he says the establishment discrediting him?Out of the blue every news outlet in britain gets all worked up about some guy selling slimming tablets that dont work so well? Bug his phone and throw this blizzard of clearly untrue stuff at him as well? Why if it isnt that there is more to this story ? What does this reference mean I wonder :
"He surfaced in Australia and while fighting his extradition to Britain claimed that he could not be returned to the UK because his life was in danger following undercover work for law enforcement agencies."
( http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2574515.stm
)

"As for the invisible tracking paint,"
But we know that a radiation can be tracked by an aircraft because thats exactly what is stated in the second reference from Aims Ltd .: "This can be done by aircraft or satellite."The Israeli reference meanwhile talks about vans used to track people from a big distance .The point here is I think that the effects of radiation on people and ways of tracking the extent of a radiation spill on humans etc has been the obsession of the big powers all through the cold war for obvious reasons.So a long line of people are complaining that they were used as guinea pigs in experiments conducted in the UK, USA and USSR to determine the effects of long and short term radiation poisoning and one of the reasons for the advent of satellite monitoring systems would be to determine if a nuclear attack had occured and to see what was happening to the radiation cloud.So you can see that what we are talking about here is proven and old technology to a country like the UK .Its far more likely then that this is the technology used rather than some newer marking technology.

Many thanks for your constructive points though.At least you got to read it all , I cannot help thinking that it is a bit long.

author by knowing what happens to zeroes.publication date Sat Feb 26, 2005 15:48author address author phone Report this post to the editors

is he perhaps some latter day Erich Mielke who thinks he can sift, appraise, collate, file, predict, assess, split infinitive, apprise, assay, check, check out, compute, determine, dig it, estimate, figure, fix, gauge, guess, judge, nick, peg, rate, reckon, set, size, size up, survey, take measure, valuate, value, weigh adjudge, audit, calculate, check, check out, cut in, deem, dig it, evaluate, examine, eye, figure, figure in, figure out, gauge, guesstimate, inspect, look over, peg, price, rate, read, review, the populous?

Or is he delegating?

does he have the sort of mind it takes?
does he have the sort of mind it takes?

Related Link: http://www.terra.es/personal2/monolith/gdr.htm
author by tompublication date Sat Feb 26, 2005 15:52author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Brian, Do you think British Intelligence would have been aware of the dodgy business dealings of Charlie Haughey, Ray Burke etc ? If they were doesn't that mean that Irish leaders were hopelessly compromised when they were dealing with the British government throughout the eighties?

author by very concernedpublication date Sat Feb 26, 2005 16:28author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I've one to add,
Minister Mc Dowell, as Ireland's answer to Erich Mielke the man responsible for safeguarding our nation and state, do you have a file on the Martians? like are you monitoring their telly on the antennas?
if you couldn't be trusted to provide the rank and file Garda with a Laser speed trap gun with the proper legislation, can you be trusted to issue the right informative pamphlets and instructions on how we should approach the Martians, so you know as to not make any of those little mistakes of inter-planetary courtesy.

(i _do_ have a feeling they don't like cars, minister)
(i _did_ try and tell you that.)
(i reckon they don't like visigothair that much either)
(is that why you banned cigarettes after watching mars attack?)
(should we keep a close eye on all heavy smokers?)
(are you putting your best men and women on it?)

Ni heolas go haontios.

Related Link: http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=68783&type=otherpress
author by guYpublication date Sat Feb 26, 2005 23:51author address author phone Report this post to the editors

At least the State still pays out dole ! Nobody else does!

author by .publication date Sun Feb 27, 2005 03:05author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I know someone who'd have a go at paying it out.

author by Brianpublication date Sun Feb 27, 2005 12:26author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Of course thats the kind of thing that happens Tom but I wouldnt say that the two people you mention were compromised.They are so unpopular now that maybe they resisted some of these preassures.But realistically many Irish politicians are probably working with the British and American agencies.All you have to do is read 'CIA Diary' about Philip Agee's goings on for the Cia in the small and pretty insignificant countries of Ecuador and Uruguay in the 60s.They controlled countless politicians ,trade unions and media outlets.Throw in the increased funding and technical power , the importance of the american investments in ireland and the irish priorities of the Bristish agencies in the last few decades and you can easily see what is likely to be happening in Ireland .

Nicholas Davies states in his book "Dead Men Talking " that the arms trial was a political operation in ireland by MI6.The parameters of what they were doing in that case are not easy to figure out , did MI6 want to arm the IRA?To discredit the civil rights movement and maybe irish nationalism in general? To justify armed intervention and the permanent presence of the British army in Northern Ireland? Dont forget the British ambassador had before he came to dublin being busy undermining the nationalist government in Indonesia by arming and supporting paramilitary groups in places like Aceh .Anyhow the point obviously was to play pass the parcel with the blame of the arms imports and make sure that it landed on those people they wanted bumped out of the Irish government.But how can MI6 hope to arrange things like this unless many people in the system politicians ,civil servants and media are simply working for them?

Look at the facts of the Dublin and Monaghan bombings?Most people would now I think recognise the hand of of the british agencies and army in those bombings but the thing is that this was clearly also obvious to many people in the Irish security services at the time.So presumably the odds were that somebody in the Irish government would point this link out and then the whole thing could blow up in the faces of the Bristish government.If people felt they had been bombed like this from the neighbouring island it could be like the 1916 executions in its effect on the body politic here.So they had to be sure before they went ahead that a)the investigation of the bombings would go nowhere or at least away from them and b)that the media and political leaders of the day would not start blaming them.We now know they had (a) underwraps from things like the baldonnel accord and realistically they must have been sure that key figures in the Irish body politic and media were on their side.Probably on their payroll.

At the same justice for the forgotten meeting listed above Alderman Christopher Burke stated that he met and talked about this stuff with the Littlejohn brothers when they were held in jail in dublin in the 70s.They always claimed to be working for MI6 during their bombing campaign in the south .Apparently the Littlejohns told Burke that they felt protected in the irish state because some senior politicians in the irish government were working for the british governemnt. Ald Burke named two household names in Irish politics as people that might be able to shed some light on this .

Anyhow I guess we can just speculate.Wow I made it to the front page!!!lol I wasnt able to figure out how to do italics .....

author by (re) searchpublication date Sun Feb 27, 2005 12:34author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"Gilchrist’s and the Foreign Office’ s role in manipulating the media (principally the BBC) so as to facilitate the coup in Indonesia in 1965 is remarkable. The figures for the number slaughtered in the course of the coup varies form 500,000 to 1,000,000 – I gave the figure of 1,000,000 above as it is the one that I had come across. "

Related Link: http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=65047
author by F.Y.E.O.publication date Sun Feb 27, 2005 17:18author address Quai d'Orsay - its pretty, good art work, easy 2 get milky coffee. even laid down a bit of sand for a pretend beach now.author phone Report this post to the editors

the Irish Secret Service received a budget of 767,000 Euros for 2004, down from 831,000 Euros in 2003.
The budgetary allotment for 2005 is not yet available.
There is no indication that the Irish "special branch" or "secret service" are answerable to the public, perhaps a member of the oireachtas could ask for us.
The Irish Secret Service has established links with British services, the National criminal intelligence service, the domestic intelligence service (MI5) and works closely with the PSNI. It also naturally has close relations with the varying US agencies (of which there are 15 but only 6 have declared interest in Eire) and Interpol and Europol on matters of normal trans-national crime and terror
interest. The Irish Secret Service would also hold liason meetings with the nodal European Intelligence agency, for which it last attended a meeting in the Nederlands where the DG Mr Van Ryies of the "euro-agency" is based. However the Euro-agency is not formally funded or instituted yet so in practise, the Irish secret service are in such trans-national issues co-operated with or disregarded whichever suits the project.
The police element of the Irish secret service would one think be answerable to the Minister of Justice. The army element of the Irish secret service to the Minister of Defence.
These are questions which need to be answered and thus ought be posed, by whomever in the Oireachtas who'd like to put them so the respective ministers of justice and defence can sort out who's in charge and who gets the blame if a domestic or local project inteferes with a non-declared trans-national one.

They don't have black helicopters. They're not quite the Stassi. And nor do have then appointed a high flying outsider to be their spokesperson like SIS(MI6) in Engurland this january. (codename R).
But the rights to democratic expression and assembly have always meant running the gauntlet of at least some secret police.

from the archives-
2004
http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=62498
2003
http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=45130
2002
http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=17950

author by ?publication date Sun Feb 27, 2005 17:27author address author phone Report this post to the editors

our belovèd Michael?
or
moustachioed Willie?

enough of the bollox I'm in charge of the martians.
enough of the bollox I'm in charge of the martians.

author by eeekkkkkpublication date Sun Feb 27, 2005 18:09author address author phone Report this post to the editors

on rare occasions though he has a habit of forgetting who he is talking to

Related Link: http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=25679
author by toneorepublication date Sun Feb 27, 2005 20:06author email toneore at eircom dot netauthor address author phone Report this post to the editors

Surprised you didn't draw the logical conclusion that the provos are a Brit conspiracy....

AS for Ezra Pound - he knew what happend to Lord Haw Haw - making yourself out to be nut was the next best excuse for "I was only following orders"... there's no way you can put him in the category of dissidents like Nathan (Anatoly) Sharanzky or Mordachai Vannanu... Nor is his case valid. Pound was locked up - his works were not and are still learnt in schools today...

author by paranoid and gulliblepublication date Sun Feb 27, 2005 23:40author address author phone Report this post to the editors

have the patent on velcro?

author by Brianpublication date Tue Mar 01, 2005 19:58author address author phone Report this post to the editors

tonore
On Ezra Pound:
Apparently he was censored ( like for the first edition of modern library's 'An Anthology of Famous English and American Poetry' ) though I guess somewhat less that Vanunu is now in Israel I admit .
His plight was quite an issue in the 50s it seems .Dag Hammarskjold lobbied for him c.1956 like many 'artists writers and politicians' to release him from 'imprisonment-without-trial'. ("Ezra Pound : The Last Rower" by C David Heymann (New York 1976) p.243 ).Mind you few would agree with all of his opinions which I guess were like his friend the later WB Yeats .

On the Arms Trial :
So toneoe how do you explain it ?.This is the reference :

"Until then [1972] responsibility for the British governments intelligence organisation rested with MI6 , Britain's Secret Intelligence Service , which had mainly been confined to political operations in the Republic .It was MI6 that was responsible for setting up the arms deal that led to the trial of Irish government ministers Charles Haughey and Neil Blaney ."(Nicholas Davies "Dead Men Talking"p.47).
How is this explained without turning on its head the Irish medias interpretation of these events? Why not then turn it completely around ? As 'research' also pointed out above the people of Indonesia have had to get used to a completely different interpretation of events in their country in the 60's vis a vis the US and UK governments .Sukarno is generally considered the Eamonn de Valera I guess of Indonesia , father of the current president his name evoking such a following even today .And yet now its cheerfully admitted that Gilchrist was busy destabilisng that neutral non aligned country before he came to Dublin.Most people had no idea about any of this at the time.Here is an extract from a letter Sukarno's widow wrote to the US president Ford in the 70s when all of this started to come out :

" I must now ask you, Mr. President, in the name of freedom and justice, in the name of decency in relations between states and statesmen, between powerful nations and developing lands, in the name of the Indonesian people and the Sukarno family: did the United States of America commit these hideous crimes against Indonesia and against the founder of the nation? Will your Government be prepared to accept responsibility for these evil practices? Over one hundred million Indonesians have been brainwashed, as was the rest of the world by the present regime's propaganda to believe that the communists carried out the insurrection. My countrymen, as well as everyone else, have the right to know the truth of the historic facts. ( http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/Indo58.html )

How can we be sure what was really going on Ireland then? You could say that MI6 would never support a bombing campaign or anything like that in Ireland at the time but then what about the Littlejohn brothers ? Have you read the affidavid by John Weir an ex-RUC officer who served in the 70s ? He simply states that "I drew this lesson from the death of Army Intelligence officer Captain Robert Nairac who had infiltrated both sides, Loyalist and Republican, in an attempt to intensify the conflict so that each side would wipe each other out." ( http://www.seeingred.com/Copy/2.1_CODE_weiraff.html )
So its all smoke and mirrors as I see it and I think people should be very wary of these agencies and who it is they are for and against and who they claim to be 'terrorist suspects'.

'F.Y.E.O
Yes 'F.Y.E.O.'we'd all like to think that nothing like this goes on in little old Ireland but how can we be so sure ? I dont know that your figures would include all the various groups that you would call the Irish intelligence community ? Its by no means just the stasi in east germany that has shown the possible role of intelligence agencies in a modern state.

In Switzerland :
" Suddenly, as if from nowhere, the squeaky-clean image that postwar generations had of themselves and their country was shown to have been an illusion. In 1989 .....[among other scandals ] it emerged that the Swiss secret police had been keeping hundreds of thousands of files on individuals under the guise of monitoring anti-patriotic activity. In 1999, an accountant in the defence department under investigation in a multimillion-franc fraud case - the largest in Swiss history - turned out to be an intelligence agent, and claimed he had withdrawn the money on the orders of his boss to fund the secret training of a shady battalion of highly armed agents for purposes unknown."
( http://switzerland.isyours.com/e/guide/contexts/sonderfall.html )
This is the 'secret files affair' , some 700,00 of them . ( http://virtor.bar.admin.ch/en/rec/the/sta.aspx )

In New Zealand 31 historians and political scientists are complaining that access to secret police files are less open and unrestricted than "those of the former Soviet Bloc."
( http://www.aranz.org.nz/SITE_Default/SITE_publications/papers_online/rachels_intelligence_article.asp )

In Germany :

"Releasing statements from two of the key people who managed their financial affairs since the 70’s, the party opened a Pandora’s Box of secret accounts, safe deposit boxes in Switzerland and million mark payments made via intelligence services to political parties in Spain and Portugal.
..........
THE German secret service employed two figures in the Kohl scandal, it has emerged, something that raises questions about the possible involvement of intelligence agents in the channelling of foreign funds into party coffers. The two businessmen pivotal to the financing scandals in the Christian Democratic Union are the arms dealer Karlheinz Schreiber, who admits handing over quantities of cash to party leaders, and Dieter Holzer, who admits having received the equivalent of £16 million for his part in securing an East German refinery contract for Elf Aquitaine. Western intelligence sources say that both were on the books of the Munich-based Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND), the equivalent of MI6." ( http://www.kc3.co.uk/~dt/kohl.htm )

In France they have only recently found out about what you might call a secret secret intelligence unit that reported directly to Mitterand. French journalist :"Plenel’s phone was tapped by a secret anti-terrorist unit which reported directly to Mitterand after the reporter wrote a series of articles pinpointing the role of French agents in the blowing up of the Greenpeace vessel Rainbow Warrior off New Zealand in 1985. Plenel was one of several people including journalists, lawyers, politicians and a noted model and film actress whose telephone conversations were monitored from 1982 to 1986 by the anti-terror unit. "http://www.freemedia.at/wpfr/Europe/france.htm )

Meanwhile some regular practises in France are quite astonishing :
"One of the most illustrative [of French 'raison d'etat' ] is the use of the "special fund" representing 0.1% of the state budget, which is granted to each new government. This serves, as is known by everybody, to finance political campaigns and secret operations (as disclosed recently, sometimes with political scope) by the DGE (French State Secret Information Services). This is with total impunity and without any accountability (money is distributed in bank notes)."
{ http://www.transparency.org/working_papers/country/france_paper.html )

In Britain they most certainly aren't releasing secret police files but nonethese we might be able to speculate on what they contain .

Here is an account of MI5 and the miners strike by Fern Lane in the Guardian May 5 2004 ,which includes nuggets like :
"Indeed, in 1991 journalist Richard Norton-Taylor revealed the
existence of a list of something like 500 prominent Britons,
including around 90 in the media, who were in the employ of the
CIA, and paid through the old friend of the intelligence
services, the BCCI."
( http://www.cpa.org.au/garchve04/1181miners.html )

GCHQ of course gathers technical intelligence from telephones emails and the like , supposedly on the usual 'terrorist suspects' .But it turns out that they were found to be intercepting any data they could on the delegations of Angola, Cameroon, Chile, Bulgaria, Guinea and Pakistan to the Security Council to help the "US's "QRC" - quick response capability" in some 'dirty tricks' against those diplomats.
( http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/story/0,12956,1084994,00.html )

From censored passages of Stephen Dorril's large book on MI6 we find that "The Security and Intelligence services keep on file indiscretions, however politically sensitive, of crown servants, MP's etc " this includes interesting references to the BBC . ( http://www.politrix.org/foia/mi6/mi6-restored.htm )

So how can we be sure that we in Ireland have dodged the bullet on this kind of thing? In fact questions were asked in the Dail by two TD's when it was revealed that Anthony Coughlin had been monitored but of course they were just fobbed off. ( http://debates.oireachtas.ie/DDebate.aspx?F=DAL20050126.xml&Ex=All ) The only other piece of 'democratic accountability' in recent times that I know of was the attempt by the Barron enquiry to examine those files held by these garda authorities in reference to the Dublin and Monaghan bombings. Unfortunately they have gone missing. Theres a shock ! lol .Anyhow hopefully you are right and we have nothing to worry about .I certainly hope so.

author by barrypublication date Wed Mar 02, 2005 09:02author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Does anyone have any more information on the meeting at Baldonnel airport in the 70s between the free state and MI6. Any links / articles ?

author by Ed Burkepublication date Wed Mar 02, 2005 17:49author address author phone Report this post to the editors

If I did, what's the point, they weren't acting on behalf of a free state - the only free state I know of is Orange and it's in South Africa - I imagine you're a either a very partisan reader of history or an ill - informed one

author by Barrypublication date Wed Mar 02, 2005 18:10author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I should have said the alleged "republic" of Ireland, whose internal security agencies (and therefore its most of its security and related political policies) are controlled by the British intelligence.

Your not suggesting its a sovereign independent state are you ?

hahahahahahahhahahh

Now if any one has any links id be grateful.

Go away Ed.

author by Brianpublication date Fri Mar 04, 2005 12:00author address author phone Report this post to the editors

All I know Barry is there is another short article in Phoenix , the date I cannot remember .There it says that within I think the department of foreign affairs it is known as the Baldonnel Protocols.Other than that maybe you could ask 'justice for the forgotten' if they have a recording of the meeting mentioned?There Holroyd called it 'this terrible agreement' or dreadfull agreement or words to that affect.(He wasnt sure ofteh date though , that is from teh Phoenix article ) He attributes most of thecorruption in the British inteliigence services to MI5 who also threatened him at one point and likewise scared off any people from helping either him or Wallace.They were for example left without any legal help and the two of them in fact met in prison.He started the meeting talking about a Royal Jackets major , an operations officer in army HQ in Lisburn who committed suicide alongwith all his family when he realised what he had really done in northern ireland.He talked about 'frightened good people' .Mainly he was talking about the build up of secret army military units in northern ireland who were involved with paramilitary groups on both sides.He had a sort of calendar of them .The first unit was brought together from all corners of the twilight of the empire.Some who had been in palestine , some from the 'ghost units' in Aden some from Kenya and Malaya and set up this kind of secret military structure in northern ireland .

You know the legacy of some of those colonial units is a lot different from what people sometimes think i reckon. In Kenya of course the whole started by a lot of lurid press reports on african savages comming down from the mountains and murdering the white settlers :The Mau mau gangs.But as Kitson shows in is book 'bunch of Five' many were in fact british army 'counter gangs' commanded by british soldiers and staffed with many scared or bribed africans.To do this of course meant the british soldiers had to change their hair style paint themselves black and they even went to the trouble of dyeing their eyes yellow in order to pass off as Kikuyu.I dont know the proportion of gangs which were real Kikuyu if you like or these fake british army ones but the latter weren't uncommon it seems.In any case only 32 british settlers died in 8 years of the mau mau insurgency (excluding africans in that figure admittedly ) but the media hype was enough to justify the detention of c.1.5 million kikutu of whom hundereds of thousands died many in circumstances of great brutality in torture.
( https://www4.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/world/2005/01/304043.html )

author by Brianpublication date Sun Mar 06, 2005 23:59author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Sorry about the spelling in the above comment BTW .To add to the stuff raised about the period of the arms trial I thought I might add here three other points in case I am to be accused of relying exclusively on the Davies leak.
1) Obviously recently released irish army files have shown that the statement released to the jury and to the general public at the time of the arms trial as being the authentic account by the then head of military intelligence was in fact heavily edited and gave a completely different picture of events from the original statement that he had written.This editing happened somewhere in the department of justice/attorney generals office before the trial.

2) When this came out not long ago Justin Keating who served on the Dail commitee that investigated the missing money said that he felt it vindicated his original conviction that the three ministers were set up. He went on to say that he thought the British authorities knew about the arms imports long before they were said to have told Liam Cosgrave and he also felt that they probably continued to have agents within the state, since independence in fact.

3) Incidentally the main IRA military figure of the time and the person who effectively founded the Provisional movement at around christmass 1969 was of course Sean MacStiofain. It was revealed in the Sunday Times in the newspaper following his death that he was in fact a garda agent .It dosent say at what point this began but from the detailed article it was clearly for a long time. You would imagine that for anybody who follows irish politics that this particular fact might have set off a few alarm bells? But no this article got hardly any publicity and its implications not least with respect to the beginning of the troubles have not been discussed anywhere I have read.

As part of the process of looking at other countries experiences to see possible comparisons I thought this might be of interest .This is an account of Scottish politics in the same period as recorded by a university lecturer in Social studies and a SNP councillor.They include clandestine material 'not publicly available' among their sources :

"The origins of violent activity in Scotland began in 1968 with the founding of the Army of the Provisional Government by Major Frederick Boothby after an initial period of propagandising on behalf of the almost mythical "Scottish Liberation Army".Boothby , who made himself known to nationalists through his journal 'Sgian Dubh' , acted as a focus for numerous individuals who went on to create other groups . He clearly acted in an inflammatory manner and attempted almost single-handed to provoke Scottish nationalists into violent action . His attempts to entrap the Chairman of the Scottish National Party in his conspiracy failed but Boothby's activities resulted in 11 persons being jailed .It is highly likely , considering the scope and nature of his activities, that Boothby was an 'agent provocateur'. He was always an unlikely Scottish nationalist and his sudden appearance on the Scottish scene after a military background and a life full of adventure is simply too much of a coincidence , as is the fact that he took a cottage virtually next door to Hugh MacDairmid, a man of well-known revolutionary principles. The most telling factor against him is that he emerged from obscurity and perpetrated his conspiracies at just the moment when the SNP were expecting ultimate success - in other woords, at just such a time as it was likely that 'agents provocateurs' were infiltrating the nationalist movement. While there have been scores of 'agents provocateurs', it is highly likely that Boothby was one. He was a man who revelled in clandestinity and conspiracy and his appearance in Scotland closely followed a period when he was seeking more excitement from his life.

But if Boothby was, as Hugh MacDiarmid and Ronald MacDonald Douglas suspected, a "double agent" then the movement which he started was virtually a creation of the secret police......
This role of an agent acting as a "focus" for potential terrorists then involving them in wider conspiracies leading to their arrest has proved to be a recurrent theme; in nearly every phase of terrorist activity there has been a figure playing the "Boothby" role. And of course there have been numerous other lesser figures within each group acting as informants....

There are then three levels of infiltration within the groups, the first being the active infiltration by police agents or 'agents provocateurs'.These were installed as part of a systematic campaign by the Special Branch and their remit was not merely to provide information leading to arrests. These persons were to actively promote conspiracies and criminal activities amongst persons who might not otherwise have wished to do so.
The pre-emptive formation of "bogus" terrorist groups by the Intelligence services to entrap potential terrorists has been outlined by Gavin Kennedy, a former Lecturer in Economics at the University of Strathclyde, in 'Anti-Terrorism and People Control"(1979).In other words, the agents were to 'create' tartan terrorism. Frederick Boothby has already been suggested as one such 'agent provocateur'. But there were others whom it is possible to name.....
There have been a large number of informants within each group of terrorists. Every new group which emerged had its informant almost before the group was formed.....
Boyd volunteered his assistance [on a weapons purchase] and a massive Special Branch entrapment game began, with the aim of discrediting the SNP by involving some of its senior members.
...
The extensive powers of the "Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary provisions) Act, 1974, and its revised provisions in 1976 and 1979 have been widely used in Scotland and have allowed the police and Special Branch to probe deep into legal political movements by frequent "trawls" of activists. Large numbers of ordinary law-abiding members of political parties in Scotland have been detained and questioned at length.
No evidence of criminal activity is required -merely suspicion- and approximately 89 per cent are never charged with any offence.
..
In a BBC TV programme in February 1990,'Taking Liberties', reporter David Jessel estimated that upwards of 'one million' people a year are questioned in the UK under the PTA - mostly however at ports of entry.
....
Some persons such as Donald Anderson, have spent up to five months in custody awaiting trial, only to have charges dropped at the last moment. Under such circumstances, of course, "suspects" can and have lost their jobs and suffered humiliation and suspicion. In at least one case a suspect developed severe mental illness as a result of continued interrogation. Of the large numbers of persons detained under the PTA only a tiny minority - about 6.8 per cent - have ever been charged. If terrorism is defined as the use of violence for political ends, then this term can be used to describe the activities of Britain's secret police. The powers of the PTA allow the police and Special Branch to perpetuate legalised terror campaigns against political activists.The PTA....is , of course, entirely ineffective in stopping the terrorist bombings.....It is effective, however, in creating a climate of fear and mistrust in which everyone is prepared to inform on everyone else.
...
Through the use of agents and informants and the skilful treatment of "dupes" the State has thoroughly infiltrated and controlled the outbreaks of terrorism in Scotland.
....
The CIA is very much aware of the operations of the SIS [MI6] within both Northern Ireland and Scotland. The extraordianry testimony of Colin Wallace has exposed the nature of the counter-insurgency methods adopted by SIS: the routine spreading of disinformation, the attempts to discredit nationalist and Labour politicians which included the forging of documents, the spreading of slanderous rumours and black propaganda, the creation of spurious political organisations - which on at least one occasion led to the death of an entirely innocent man - and not least the claimed "framing" of Wallace himself on a muder charge after he leaked the story of the Kincora Boys' Home scandal. The SIS were turning a blind eye to the sexual abuse of orphan boys because the abusers were supplying useful information to them. Yet Wallace was a hardworking member of the SIS whose zeal and skill at his trade was attested to by many of his colleagues. If the SIS could do this to one of their own, why should we doubt that they attempt similiar activities against the Labour Party and the SNP, not to mention the alleged sympathisers of the tartan terrorists in mainland Britain ?
....
[Talking about the British intelligence agency plots as mentioned by Wright and Wallace:] It was only now a question of getting her into Number 10 and this was done by concerted action behind the scenes alongside a parliamentary strategy to create a crisis of confidence in Prime Minister Callaghan and prevent him from carrying out his priorities, including the Scottish Act. This enraged the 11 Scottish nationalist MPs. It was then a simple matter to provoke the SNP Parliamentary group - and preassures were brought to bear - into a vote to topple Callaghan, and Thatcher was in. The strategy had been wildly successful and thus the destabilising of the SNP by the manipulation of tartan terrorism was discontinued and replaced by agitation of anti-Labour bias within the SNP through legitimate political channels and the press.
("Britain's Secret War, Tartan Terrorism and the Anglo-American State" by Andrew Murray Scott and Ian MacLeay (1990), p194-9,205,210)

From Justin Keating :
"That governments spy on each other all the time, I take for granted. I also take for granted that when the British left Ireland in 1922, they left sleepers behind them in a whole lot of serious locations and that those sleepers, as I call them, have successors.

I believe that spies, the security services, in the world generally, are becoming increasingly powerful and that our civil liberties are being eroded. Many of these spies - I am using the term in a general sense because it is difficult for me to use the term "intelligence service" in the light of what I am going to say - live in a fantasy world..."
(http://www.irlgov.ie/oireachtas/Committees-29th-Dáil/jcjedwr-debates/scbr020304.htm ) and see
( http://archives.tcm.ie/businesspost/2001/04/15/story41944928.asp )

author by Brianpublication date Thu Mar 17, 2005 07:05author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Having had a chance to read Fred Holroyd's very unpublicised book and seeing as how poor old Ezra Pound has taken a ...well...battering :-) above I thought I would use some quotes from it and some other sources to further the case that the use of the 'mad' slander is used by the western agencies just as it was in the east.

Major Fred Holroyd actually has a whole chapter called 'Political Psychiatry' in his book based on his treatment by the various British intelligence agencies. He was forcibly detained at Musgrave Hospital Belfast and then imprisoned effectively at the British army's psychiatric hospital at Netley. As you can imagine Major Holroyd who is a very traditional army man spent a lot of time protesting that 'this wasn't Soviet Russia' and that 'you cannot do this to a serving British officer' . Unfortunately he was wrong about that :-). Apparently he is not the only case:
"Subsequently I was contacted by a former gunner officer who had been tasked to calibrate 25 pounder guns just prior to the Suez operation. On the completion of his task he was forcibly incarcerated at Netley in order to isolate him and preserve the secret of the forthcoming invasion of Egypt......his army career was ruined by those two weeks he spent in a mental hospital which were forever recorded on his military record. I can only wonder how many other innocent officers and soldiers have been held at Netley for political reasons, and how many lives have unecessarily been blighted by the abuse of psychiatry in the forces."(p107).
To clarify Holroyd's career and position in Ireland since it might seem a little confusing to some: He was a Captain (he became a Major in the Rhodesian and later Zimbabwean army ) in a regular British army regiment stationed in asia where he wasn't particularly happy among other reasons because he felt "quite alienated within the mess" for refusing to join the Freemasons. So he applied for a a post as a Military Liason Officer with the army in Northern Ireland. This would involve intelligence coordination between the army and RUC Special Branch. For this he was trained as an intelligence officer at the Joint Services training school at Ashford in Kent where he was lectured by among others the famous Kitson. After graduating there he was approached to join the CIA alongwith two other graduating captains , but he declined the offer. He was then posted to Armagh during 1973-5 as part of a unit that handled the liason between the army and each RUC division known as a Special Military Intelligence Unit headed by a Colonel in RUC headquaters at Knock. So he passes between the RUC Special Branch in Portadown (who assured him that his role was only to pass information on to the army on a need to know type basis ) and the army in the form of the 3rd Infantry Brigade HQ at Lurgan (who made it clear that he was really an army man and wasn't to trust Special Branch !). His written rules emphasised the primacy of Special Branch but as time went on and his knowledge of RUC corruption grew he probably felt a bit like his predecessor who resorted to breaking into the RUC filing cabinets ! He was then approached to work for MI6, his controller being Craig Smellie operating out of army HQ at Lisburn all the while continuing his work as a military intelligence officer as a useful cover. Finally after a power struggle he was passed from MI6 to MI5. For the latter two agencies -at least - he operated agents both north and south of the border. Finally he had frequent contact with the SAS who were remarkably prominent and powerfull both as a military force and seperately in the intelligence sphere, their exact role being not always very clear. So obviously he has explicit inside knowledge of all the big beasts of British Intelligence that operate in Ireland and elsewhere. To give you an idea about the kind of information they obviously did not want him to talk about here is an anecdote he later picked up about an SAS NCO called 'ginge' that he sometimes worked with :
"The NCO had been tasked to keep surveillance on an old man who was thought to be giving assistance to the IRA. After a week or so of following the man he became bored and one night, as the man was returning home from the pub on his push-bike the NCO ran him over in a land-rover. Removing the lights from the victims bike, the NCO reported a fatal 'traffic accident'. A coroner's court attended by the NCO wearing an ordinary regimental, non SAS uniform, returned a verdict of accidental death, on the grounds that the man had no light on his bike in poor visibility. The NCO gained some notoriety in his unit and was thereafter referred to as 'Genie and his magic lamp'. "
(Fred Holroyd and Nick Burbridge "War Without Honour" (Hull, 1989) p.13,29-40,85,98,107)

In the case of Major Wallace it was revealed by Clive Ponting that the MOD set up a special commitee inside the ministry to coordinate the slander of him. They mainly portrayed him as a 'Walter Mitty' and delusional type figure . One of Wallace's claims was for example was that he was a sky diving enthusiast and regularily parachuted as a PR exercise for the army. So the MOD briefed that that was typical of the way he just made things up and it was discovered that there was no files in his name in the British Parachuting Association as their should be in that regulated sport so justifying the MOD's claims. It took Paul Foot the late journalist to check with the international association who hold duplicate copies of the records to find out that they knew all about him and this showed that the British association had been burgled deliberately as part of the discrediting campaign. Such is the way the system works !lol
( http://planetquo.com/The-Wilson-Plots )

The late Zviad Gamsakhurdia the first democratically elected leader of Georgia was hit by widespread western media reports saying he suffered from "apparent madness" and even talk of setting up an international symposium to determine his mental health. The webpage set up by his supporters calls it 'Slandercraft".
(http://www.geocities.com/shavlego/slander.html) He had fallen out with the American government just before he was ousted in a coup. One of the few incoming leaders of the former Soviet states who had no connections with the old communist party he expresses interesting opinions on events at that time here:
http://www.geocities.com/shavlego/zg_1d.html and his letters http://www.geocities.com/shavlego/lett_1.html .
He lists 'Bush, Baker, Genscher, Kohl' as siding with the USSR at the time which presumably means they also cooperated with the strategy of slander etc.He also stated once that he believed Gorbachev himself was behind the Soviet Union coup. He is also known in much of the western media as a dictator which is difficult to understand considering he was in office for only about a year during which he won parliamentary elections with c. 60 percent of the vote and presidential elections with 86 per cent.

A New Labour Councillor at Hetton-le-Hole,Tyne-Wear called Maurice Kellett had many run ins with well connected local business people including demanding at the council that some freemasons should declare their interest in lands that were being discussed. He has been repeatedly threatened with sectioning under the Mental Health Act for his pains. He has been informed by hospital staff that "You buck the establishment and it will buck you back".
( http://www.usenetbot.com/viewtopic/421492/Maurice-Kellett-The-Facts and http://www4.all-usenet-archive.com/pages/34101.html )

It has been alledged that the late police whistle blower Andy McCardle was forcibly detained and drugged at the State Hospital, Carstairs. Apparently because he held some "delusional belief" that involved the state and drug smuggling (http://hardware.mcse.ms/archive125-2005-1-139401.html). He died in their custody last December (2004).

James Heny Graf an ex-employee of the New York State Department of Mental Hygiene describes how his former employers would trawl though federal and local intelligence databases seeking discrediting information on people. Forging information accusing people of being "mentally incompetent" was particularily common it seems. Here is a few quotes from his account:
"They made up whatever lies they needed to, told people whatever they needed to tell them in order to make them refuse to listen to me or cooperate with me. ......Though never charged with a crime in any state or nation, though never the subject of any mental competency hearing, I became nevertheless the butt of prejudicial presumption, mindless ridicule, criminal obstruction, and senseless discrimination."
....
" Over the years, my former employers enjoyed frequent contact with law enforcement and intelligence agencies, including the military. My workplace in the 1980s became a hotbed of covert intelligence activity. In alignment with Reagan Administration policies, these forces concerned themselves primarily with "fighting terrorism" and the "war on drugs." Their definition of "terrorism" was loose, to say the least ".
"...my employers, wishing to rid themselves of this troublesome "left-leaning" speech therapist, used their contacts in federal agencies to focus attention on me."
"Throughout the 1980s, my agency's egregiously unscrupulous administrators used all the power and influence at their disposal to eliminate employees they didn't like. Obscenely intrusive, unbelievably extensive "lifestyle" investigations became a powerful administrative tool for staff reduction through intimidation -- blackmailing, blackballing, and blacklisting. When they could not unearth real evidence, the "evaluators" simply invented it. Claims of "national security" and "police business" assured universal cooperation and secrecy.
The process is practically identical to the system of psychiatric discreditation that prevailed in the last days of the Soviet Union..."
( http://pub17.ezboard.com/fhumanrightsfrm2.showMessage?topicID=8.topic )
( http://www.angelfire.com/j/jhgraf/hereshow.html )

Eric Shine a Federal Officer in the U.S. Merchant Marine has alledged that "The Department of Homeland Security has prosecuted me for over the last year at great expense to many parties and programs, for being “medically/ mentally incompetent” and without so much as a hearing." He is alledging widespread corruption in that area. ( http://www.the-catbird-seat.net/EricShine.htm ).
"Plus, the DHS/ USCG have seized medical records, falsified medical records, put out 'Be On Look Out' warning posters on me saying that I “may be dangerous” and more. "

Army Reserve Lt. Jullian Goodrum was further confined in a locked psychiatric ward on the advise of military officials after he had "asked for an investigation into the death in Iraq of a 22-year-old soldier in his 212th Transportation Company" ( http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20040525-111343-1697r )

A US army sergeant requested his commander to investigate abuses against some Iraqis that he had witnessed.
"instead, the company commander accused him of lying and threatened to have him examined by a psychiatrist if he did not withdraw the request in 30 seconds. When he refused to withdraw the request, the company commander confiscated his weapon, withdrew his security clearance, placed him under 24 hour surveillance, and had him examined by the psychiatrist."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200503/s1318789.htm

On the subject of interference in jobs and businesses I tripped across these references that I though I might add as well :

Malcolm Kennedy, a man with a long dispute with the London police centering around trials during
which "every category of police document in the case had, since 1990, been suppressed, gone missing, or been forged" according to Michael Mansfield QC, believes his phone, which he depends on to run a small business,
is routinely cut off "to damage his business, keep him impoverished and to put him under psychological preassure."( http://www.red-star-research.org.uk/malcolm.html).
He is mentioned here by the BBC where he says he knows of this happening to many miscarraige of justice campaigners.(http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3051792.stm ).

John Burnes "a post-grad student at the time, he had his grant withdrawn; and, after training as a teacher, he was blocked by MI5 from teaching." He accidentally found out about MI6 money laudering (http://www.lobster-agazine.co.uk/articles/security.htm).

Gerald Reaveley James is a businessman and was chairman of a leading weapons manufacturer called Astra Holdings plc from 1980 to 1990 . He was both investigated by the Inland Revenue and had great troubles with the DTI as a result of getting mixed up with the UK intelligence agencies. In his opinion a climate of fear exists in the UK with respect to them and other departments of state. A climate where :
"Politicians and civil servants and other leading figures who get out of line can be surveyed or bugged and then threatened, blackmailed, framed up or worse."
( http://www.elc.org.uk/papers/2000James.doc )

From Fred Holroyd's book 'War without honour' p128 :"I then lost my job at Group Four [Security] . I was in the office when a call came through from an officer in the Metropolitan Anti-Terrorist Squad, with a message that was to be passed to my superiors. It was quite simple : I was a dangerous disaffected ex-officer and could not be trusted. I went to see my boss shortly afterwards. He asked me to leave,saying they could not afford to upset people in the Security Services since they relied on the goodwill of the police, especially in London." He lost his job doing security for Marks and Spencers much the same way. Even in Rhodesia MI5 tried to banjax his employment by telling the security services out there that he was an MI6 agent spying on them (ibid p123). According to him MI5 "thrive on peoples insecurity - what their victims are afraid to lose. In my case I have lost everything anyway. I remain extremely poor, and live frugally."(ibid p147).

author by the pound of fleshpublication date Fri Mar 18, 2005 22:14author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Very interesting piece. Not having regular access to the Phoenix it was nice to have this little revelation given some publicity in a forum like this ....

Don't know how you managed to sneak Ezra Pound and Eustace Mullins past the politically correct thought police around here.

Not that I have anything against the pair of them myself but Mr. Pound said some very naughty things in his day that would get you into trouble if you were to repeat them in a place like this ..... I won´t even paste a link to some of his wartime speeches for fear of what might happen to me ......

And as for Eustace Mullins, well the less said the better or you'll have the Lord Chamberlain of indymedia.ie down on top of you .....
But if you've read his rantings on the Federal Reserve you might enjoy the attached article ...

Related Link: http://www.nogw.com/articles/rothchildmeeting.html
author by Shane Quinlanpublication date Tue Dec 20, 2005 17:24author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The article is very intriguing. It is probably right. I would like to know the extent of the British intelligence millitary conspiracy in the Republic and if there is an alterior motive to it(reunification with Britian?)

author by kvmpublication date Wed Dec 21, 2005 10:46author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Does anyone have any information on The Labor Committee for Transatlantic Understanding in Ireland? This CIA front was exposed by Phillip Agee in his book, Inside the Agency. It was active in Germany into the 1990's.

If it is true that the CIA had a list of 500 agents in the UK, then it is reasonable to assume they had some bought and paid for agents in Ireland.

Regarding the question of whether MI5/CIA were aware of the activities of the likes of Liam Lawlor and the brown envelope brigade, it seems to me these guys should be at the top of the list of suspects, when it comes to looking for TDs who work(ed) for the CIA or MI5.

author by Mark in Donegalpublication date Thu Oct 18, 2007 16:43author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Much of what I have read strikes me as very, very plausible.

I spent much of the 1980's and 1990's working in stock markets in Latin America. This job involved contact (often in an advisory role) with politicians, central banks, finance ministries etc..

During those years I had much contact with intelligence agencies - many years later, at home in Donegal, I was to suffer for my contact and percieved "non alignment" with the "establishment".

Things began early in my career: I was approached by a man and a woman from the UK SIS at Canning House in London, during a lecture from a retiring British Ambassador to Brasil. I was often at Canning House and at such institutions as the Anglo-Argentine group at the Houses of Parliament. [Incidentally Canning house was established by MI6 to keep an eye on German trade and diplomacy in Latin America and given the cover of being financed by UK private sector 'member' companies - it was, and remains, an MI6 front).
Their approach was in regard to BAEs attempt to sell its RJ146 airliners for the Brasilian "Aero-Ponte" ie; Rio-Sao Paulo air bridge in competition with Boeing. Their questions were in regard to the DeBotton family- they were the local BAE agents, and I, along with them was the largest shareholder in a major retail group which was the source of their wealth. Questions began; how reliable are these people? Have Boeing got to them? What can we use against them? etc. etc. A whole series of dirty tricks began on both sides throughout the year, with Boeing winning the contract in spite of the best efforts of MI6 in Rio [MI6 are mostly based in the Rio consulate, not the Embassy in Brasilia).

Over the next few years I was collared many times by MI6 at parliamentary dinners, embassy receptions, but mostly at canning house.
When I refused to cooperate the usual threats were made: Was I a republican? How about my two brothers who lived in the UK?

Interestingly, as an Irishman, I found a number of Irish citizens working for MI6 over the years - particularly in areas where a UK citizen would have been somewhat incongruous (eg Argentina prior to 1991) where a certain Corkman was the local "BAE aviation sales agent" - nice cover, until he and I began to meet up in the same places (for instance dinners with an ex Argentine military intelligence chief then retired and working for JP Morgan as an "advisor" on political trends). Also interesting was the Corkmans frequent movements between the Irish and British Embassy. (Interestingly our only one in the Southern Cone of LatAm).
Later the Corkman was able to inform me of being followed in New York by Argentine Military Intelligence (later confirmed by same) and offered to "help" me if I would "help" him and his British friends. [The reason I was followed in NYC was in connection with fears about 'convertibilidad' and its future at that time - it was very much down to me and a number of other financiers in NY and London].

In later years I had "positive" connections with Chilean Intelligence, and to a lesser degree their equivilents in Peru and Colombia. By then my political and press relationships were among the best of a European in Latin America.
The UK still harassed and questioned me on a regular basis, while the CIA made often open, even gauche opportunistic and amatuerish contacts.

To cut a very long story short, and missing many other details; which whilst interesting would identify me too positively and endager my life even now - things began to go very wrong for me in life.

I decided to quit stock markets and return to Ireland, for reasons I will keep to myself. This caused consternation amongst a number of agencies - Why? For what reason? What information is he taking with him, and how can we debrief him to get it?
Subtle contacts began at first. On a quite innocuous avation matter in Ireland I was approached by a "retired" G2 operator who had been recriuted from the Aer Corps and spent much time following republicans and eastern europeans during the '70s. He approached me at first with the threatening statement "I know who you REALLY are". What the hell did that mean? Later he alluded to my previous life and asked how I was enjoying Donegal? Did I wish to continue enjoying it? Call me. - Of course I did not.

Later on a trip to the UK I was arrested for shipping arms from Chile to Ecuador and Croatia. While I have a lot of knowlege regarding those deals I was only indirectly involved. Two guys from the 'Dept of Trade and Industry' interviewed me for two days and released me without charge when I wrote a list of senior (UK) names involved. (the Vatican was also part of this story).

Next, I was taken to court for tax fraud and lost every penny made during my career in Latin America. The UK authorities enjoyed this one; my assets were mostly offshore in Jersey, and contact was made at every stage to ensure the case could possibly fail if I would take a trip to either Belfast or Manchester for debriefing. I refused because my information both threatens my life and perhaps keeps me alive (thanks to my Chilean guardian angels perhaps?). Secondly, I thought I could win my case. I didn't.

I would like to explain more but cannot at this stage.

I live in penury and fear in the gaeltacht.

"The Prisoner"

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