Flying out of Ireland? Your personal information might be shared with American Homeland Security.

by blue block Tue Sep 14, 2004 05:18

Meanwhile,Tesco are currently running a sale on Baking foil,So its time to start Making those tinfoil Hats now before its too late.

by radicaljonny Tue Sep 14, 2004 09:36 radicaljonny at yahoo dot ie

If people really ARE out to get you, paranoia is simply good sense.

Everything that the state does to program us, exploit us, read us, categorize us, and control us always looks absurd and is dismissed as nonsense, first by them, then the pundits, and finally by the punters. Then, thirty years later, some government paperwork gets declassified and, my God, it turns out that they really WERE planning something that crazy... Or doing something that illegal. Then the last surviving black man injected with syphillus in a top secret government study in the 30's is given a medal by President Clinton.

So relax, it's worse than you think.

by jeff Tue Sep 14, 2004 12:59

I could not care if they are looking at my files any longer. The Ways of Men are irrelevant.

Oh, could Mr. Radical give us more info on the last surviving black man? From what I know, most western countries. not only Germany, were great fans of eugenics, and doctors really were given free licence to sterilise the "unfit," from Sweden to the US. My suspicions thus may be more mundane; ie, that this 'secret ' US programme was actually a step too far under the auspices of some eugenics programme.

Anyway, what has Clinton giving this guy a medal got to do with the Homeland Security people? As Mr.Radical stated, it is a good thing to be paranoid, man. William Burroughs believed that the paranoid were those people who really knows what is going on.

So, remember, if the Homeland Security people have your fiules, it is because they have a secret plan to eliminate all middle class leftwing student from Ireland. Just look at Chile, man.

And the alien ' grays' are involved there somewhere, along with the Illuminati. Quick, hook up with the militia movement. They'll sort out all our problems. Amen

by redjade Tue Sep 14, 2004 15:48

Privacy International [PI] and European Digital Rights[EDRI] have published their joint answer to the consultation on mandatory data retention. The Directorate General on Information Society and on Justice and Home Affairs from the European Commission asked for public comments on a proposed retention regime across Europe between 12 and 36 months for all traffic data generated by using fixed and mobile telephony and Internet. The deadline for comments expires on 15 September 2004. PI and the 15 member organisations of EDRI call on all organisations to sign on to this answer!

The EU plans the wide-spread retention of personal data resulting from communications, or so-called traffic data. We argue that any such retention is necessarily a hazardously invasive act. With the progress of technology, this data is well beyond being simple logs of who we've called and when we called them. Traffic data can now be used to create a map of human associations and more importantly, a map of human activity and intention. As technologies become more invasive, and as laws are increasingly reluctant to protect individual rights, the European Union should be fulfilling its role to uphold the rights of individuals. Data retention is an invasive and illegal practice with illusory benefits. We invite any other organisations to endorse the response. Please sign on ASAP but not later than 15.09.2004, 10:00 AM.

Form to sign online http://www.edri.org/cgi-bin/index?id=000100000162

Answer to the EU commission:
http://www.privacyinternational.org/issues/terrorism/rpt/responsetoretention.html

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above info found at http://infowarrior.org

by redjade Tue Sep 14, 2004 17:01

Edward Hasbrouck's blog: "Privacy and Travel" archives

http://hasbrouck.org/blog/archives/cat_privacy_and_travel.html

by toneore - toneore@eircom.net Wed Sep 15, 2004 06:44

Don't Knock it, Shannon. If it helps the "neo-fascist American Homeland Security" to eliminate the likes of Richard Reid and other potential murderers they can have my information any day.

by John Wed Sep 15, 2004 11:04

There's no 'might' about personal information being shared with US Department of Homeland Security and God knows who else. It's become a fact. At the moment credit card details, methods of payment (with particular attention to cash purchase of air line tickets), food preferences, destinations are all being provided to the DHS. And they want more http://cryptome.org/tsa090804.txt
On a trip to LA last May I saw the Irish Air Hostesss being finger printed by US Immigrations officials. Thats also on the cards for all 'citizens of the world'. Conspiracy Theory is fast becoming Conspiracy Fact.

by radicaljonny Wed Sep 15, 2004 11:31 radicaljonny at yahoo dot ie

In 1932, In Tuskegee, Alabama, the Rosenwald Fund made grants to the Alabama State Board of Health to fund a study of syphilis in African-American men living in rural Georgia and Alabama. Commonly called the Tuskegee Experiment, over 400 infected men were allowed to carry and spread the disease without medical treatment for nearly 40 years. Several government agencies including the Federal Public Health Service and the Center for Disease Control participated in this unethical study which was top-secret until 1972 when a newspaper reporter disclosed it. In 1997, President Clinton publicly apologized on behalf of the US government to the eight remaining survivors (from rap.about.com).

My point is: it's usually safe to expect the worst from a government. Watch your back.

by jeff Thu Sep 16, 2004 20:49

from a government..."

Well, it depends what you are at in life, who is in government, and lots of other mitigating factors.

Sometimes, governments do bad things, such as the Irish government, when they let kids be molested by priests, or the Gewrman government, when they gassed Jews in the 1940s, or the American government ( big long list there)

Sometimes, governments do good things, like the British and Americans, when they beat up Hitler, or the free computer suites the government gives students like me at college, or the time the American government gave the Black people of America civil rights and enshrined such in the constitution.(200 years after independece though, long time waiting)

All the same,I might agree with your sentiments, but I'd actually go further. I would say it is usually safe to expect the worst from human beings. That way, when human beings actually exhibit empathy and help others, then such a moment becomes more treasured.

Otherwise, generally people are docile sheep, like the other night, waiting for a bus back to my mothers house. A drunk tramp was harrassing a girl. He meant well, but he was drunk and she felt nervous. This goes on for a few minutes, so I look around. There are like fifteen other docile sheep masquerading as people standing there. The girl is tiny and nervous. Ten of the sheep are male. I step forward, and pretend to know the girl and engage her in conversation. I put out my hand, but she willl not take it. However, my ploy works. The tramp stumbles off, saying , " Lurg aftuh her bud, she a luvlee garl".

She sqeaks a nervous thanks, and I ignore her and return to where I stand. Then I decide to actually look at the zombies around me. I know that if I saw them in danger I might try and help them, but I know they would not help me. They have blank, expressionless faces, a result of daily, voluntary comatose that is indicative of the majorety of Irish people.

So, while I will try and help where I can, I will never, ever be a socialist. Marx's 'false conscioussness' argument is crap. There is no one true conscioussness, there is just yourself, life, and death. Seize all three like a dagger. You can interperet that last sentence any way you will.

In the meantime, people will be kind to Dave who is homeless at the moment. He taps on Wicklow street. He told me most Gardai afe actually nice to him, and get him sandwiches. One or two are wank stains, but in Daves mind that is neither here nor there.

However, the real shits are the docile sheep who fancy themselves as wolves. Their interpretation of this involves walking past Dave when they are out with their mates. They are usually men in their 20s/30s. They will kick his begging bowl out of his hand. They will be dressed to the nines and be in the prime of their health. And as a result of their good fortune, they will think it a good thing to inflict cruelty on the weak.

So hopefully those they deem weak will actually be clever, because in this life the strong dominate the weak, and the clever dominate the strong. Of course, both the terms weak and strong can mean any number of things, but clever is clever and that is all.

by Steven's Cat Wed Sep 22, 2004 07:49 bigirishmickey at hotmail dot com

Hey, if it can stop crap singers coming into your country, it's got to me a good thing!

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2004/09/21/national2138EDT0808.DTL

Hopefully, Cathal Coughlan and Christy Moore are on the list too.

by bedare Wed Sep 22, 2004 17:37

Isn’t this a success for equalitarianism i.e. one security policy for all?

by countess mark o'spitz Wed Sep 22, 2004 23:21

No. This guy supported the killing of Rushdie, the subordinate of Women in Islamic culture and is accussed of supporting Hamas financially. Only when his record sales tanked did he change his tune (ho ho). I would be very surprised if he would be allowed into the US. What business does he have there anyway? None. He should stay at home with his cronies outside the Finsbury Mosque.
This incident cannot tbe compared in the same way that crashing planes into buildings showed an eqalitarianism of slaughter and the murder of kids in Beslan by Islamist terrorists was murder without favour. Well done, USA!

by Bedare Thu Sep 23, 2004 14:25

yes, but i think you miss my point. protests against american homeland security measures overlook that they are have an equalitarian quality; a plus, not a minus!