Scots for Joe and Clare

by random input - (reg user under alias) Fri Sep 26, 2003 03:51

this is not strictly relevant to this thread... but

i would like to say that much as indymedia annoys me (as in, the usual so-and-so are this and so-and-so are that) the coverage of the bin tax has been quite brilliant. we don't hear any of this on the news (radio or telly). all we hear is "arrests" and "more disrupters" etc. the only place to actually find out what is REALLY happening is via indymedia.

i have to say thank you to indymedia (ie everyone who contributes), the wsm, and the sp for all the reports.

i do have one question though, and i mean it in the most fraternal manner possible - why are the socialist workers so quiet on this issue? i'm not being funny, i read all the left wing papers (yes even the starry plough!) but i'm confused as to why the swp are not more prominent on indymedia. that doesnt apply to Joe C who i know posts here regularly, but where are the rest of them - and their contributions to the bin tax debate? as far as i can gather they are aruging for different tactics, but not being in dublin i don' know what they are arguing *for*. as i say , i honestly mean this in the most fraternal way possible.

but as a random punter (ive put a few comments up under various diff names) i have to say that the dying down of all the sectarianism is a welcome change. to see comrades working together is beautiful. really beautiful. but why do i have the feeling that it won't be long until it all starts up again?

do you reckon this will teach us anything????

by Simple Simon Fri Sep 26, 2003 04:09

It's staring you in the face. Indymedia Ireland is run by the SWP. That's why there's this blaring silence from them.

by random input Fri Sep 26, 2003 04:35

i thought indymedia was run by an evil anarcho-militant-zionist-antisemetic-independent-centralist demi-god ?

by fubar Fri Sep 26, 2003 10:32

I may be anarcho but e same fae me, I had thought the Socialist over here namby pamby bunch of conformists - i may have been wrong

Free Joe & Clare
Build Homes Not Jails

by swimmers - . Fri Sep 26, 2003 11:14

were long ago driven off the site by the trendies in RTS and that, the socialist party people fought back though so they are still round, though the infighting between the trendies and the SPers got really nasty towards the end. I'm sure it'll be back though. As long as something is happening indymedia is great, in a vacum though all thats left is the infighting.

by Badman Fri Sep 26, 2003 15:15

The SWP think that indymedia is beneath them. They post announcements here but only one member (Davy Carlin) ever deigns to deal with feedback. The SWP have very little to say about the bin tax because they have been sidelined by events. They are still trying to push the campaign down the march / petition route, but the campaign is by far the strongest in the areas where they have little or no presence and most people, activists and non-activists alike, clearly see that it is time for action, therefore the SWP have become irrelevant to the campaign.

The SP for their part have seen both sides of indymedia; the open nature of it means that anybody and everybody is open to criticism. On the other hand it also means that when there are large social struggles, we get to see the other side of the story that the mainstream won't cover on indymedia.

Incidentally the depiction of RTS 'trendies' fighting it out with trots is grossly inaccurate. Most of the squabbling on the site in recent times has been between LP/SP, SF/SP and ex-SP/SP. The thing is that some people just can't deal with criticism without assuming that it's all a conspiracy.

by swimmers - . Fri Sep 26, 2003 21:00

who said anyhing about about that, i just said the spers and the trendies were fighting. Never said anyone planned it. And they are, theres a thread with a trendy slagging off the bin charge campaign for being boring etc happening right now. seems to me people are accusing people of accusing others of conspiricy if that makes sense!)