Bodenstown Pictures and Video

by . Mon Jun 16, 2003 13:47

I hope that the Irish people take their place amongst the republican movements of this world and no longer feel the need to wear sunglasses and berets, and no longer march around pretending to be soldiers.

Wolfe Tone did not wear sunglasses nor did he dress like a soldier only once, when need we remember he lost, because let us be quite frank the best of his generation who had wanted to be soldiers had already joined the French army, and served with distinction etc., which really means they killed, murdered and raped in the name of France.

So more Republic yes. and always so...
But less berets and in Ireland, of all places, you can do without the shades.

by Jeff Mon Jun 16, 2003 16:10

What a rabble.

by Tiocfaidh Armani - Na Fianna Eireann Mon Jun 16, 2003 16:19 info at fiannaeireann dot com Dublin

Thanks for the rabble but when get the harassment that we get from the states forces, you'll realise why they were wearing glasses to hide their faces.
Na Fianna isn't a military but is wearing the standard uniform that has being around for decades.
They are revolutionaries in their own right.

by Clonardman Mon Jun 16, 2003 16:55

Congratulations on another fine turnout in memory of a great man, and maybe one day soon, there will be no need to wear sunglasses to hide their face from spying eyes, and all will be free from harassment to honour our martyrs ...Dia linn...faol saol agat agus bas in Eirinn.

by .yawn yawn. Mon Jun 16, 2003 18:46

choisle mo chroí, mo stoir, we _·all·_ get hassle from "state" forces, and sure these days they can watch you from above, sure they've sattelites and everything, and wearing shades won't stop them recognising you, coz they and we all know that there aren't so many of ye in the RSF anyway.

Now years ago, I used be keyholder of St Mary's Church Mary Street, where as you know Wolfe Tone was baptised in the early years of the 17th century, it is now a carpet salesroom.
anyway I used think lots about Mr Tone and how his memory had like the church were he was baptised had changed through history.

And how those who remember him changed too, how slowly less and less of his fellow churchmen chose to remember him...

I believe though maybe someone will correct me, that the first comerative uniform worn by fans of the Republic was in the nineteenth century and that the Fianna uniforms above are adjusted copies of those worn during the 1916 -1922 uniformed conflicts in the name of the Republic.
anyway
is beannacht leis.
Mr Wolfe Tone.

by Mags Mon Jun 16, 2003 19:11

Fair play to Ailín. He has done exactly what Indymedia asks. He went to the event and then wrote up a informative report as soon as possible and included pics, etc. He also refrained from turning it into a childish attack on other groups or views.

But still some people are not happy and come on here to give ignorant whinges about clothing worn by colour parties and political organisations they disagree with without knowing anything about.

Whatever the Fianna chose to wear is their concern. I have seen some people on various anti-war and other protest quite bizarrely dressed tutus and others adorned with wings. Why this is I do not know, but it made them look laughable and I could not see any political or historical reason for it.

Obviously some people see the Fianna's clothing as a threat to the state. Seems the State thinks that way too. So we can take it that the person making the complaint thinks only the Free State army and police force have the right to wear uniforms in public. Well I, for one, disagree with that.

by iosaf Mon Jun 16, 2003 20:45

Though I may bow to your experience as activist, how long has it been, oh so many buses here and there, over the border and back, stopping off for chips and a beer, and at least you are one of the few around here who still causes us to remember those days, --------------get real on the "colours".

One: I respect Wolfe Tone and his memory, I joked on a thread by Justin once "how would SF feel if the fifth international of loved up hippy trippy anarkisty muppets turned up at Bodenstown", quite right "horses for courses" but the Irish State (both of them) ban on uniforms is based on the 1936 uniforms Act, which I also pointed out to ye all was passed in London as a result of a demonstration by Fascists (blackshirts of Oswald Molsey) who joined by Irish Fascists (blueshirts) went on an immigrant bashing spree in East London.1936.

The Uniforms Act is still on the statutes in the UK and it's dominions, and courtesy of Ireland's peculiar legal heritage [are we not all interested in "de Law!" now that Ireland indymedia is to be sued---] the law is still extant here.

It prosrcribes amongst other things all uniforms and badges, including the appearances of "private militia" [the Duke of Argyll being excepted and was allowed to maintain a small force for his protection]

I think you Mags and the rest of the Republican family (which includes Ailin "every Sunday RSF pres release! [when do you ·do· Bodenstown then?] will agree that "badges" and "emblems" are important not only for their various "Acts" and "laws" but also the provision argued by your various parties for their regulation under Strand 1 of the British Irish Peace Process.
-or do you need to be reminded of what you have all said?

Beir Bua an t-usal Wolfe Tone

but like "lose the shades" please.

by pat c Tue Jun 17, 2003 10:12

I think you will find that neither Mags or RSF (or myself) feel that they are bound by any strands of the "Peace Process".*

As for Private Militias, there still remains the Protestant Unionist Militias, the PSNI and the RIR.

* The UDA, UVF, Red Hand Defenders, LVF etc etc seem to be able to disregard any strands of any agreements with immunity. Plenty of private militias there.

For what its worth, I am not a supporter of RSF. Nor of the CIRA, RIRA or whatever the RIRA offshoot is called.

by ipsiphi Tue Jun 17, 2003 14:36

ceart go leír. na lig sibh i gcothú. Is mise ainriallai is dócha go bhfuil "faidbh" beaganna "beagnach" [gan foclóir] agam mar sin.
Ní creidim an stát, ní creidim an phoblacht.
Tá fhios agam go bfhuil, go raibh, duine bocht agus na eileanna.

hmmmmmmmmm.

Ná leathnaigh do bhrat muna féidir leat á chosaint.

by Sean Tue Jun 17, 2003 15:48

fadhb = "problem" plural, fadhbanna.
beag = "little"/"small"
"Tá fadhb beag agam leis sin"
Níos fearr a rá:
Níl mórán fadhb agam leis sin.

Cad é ainriallaí?

http://www.crannog.ie
http://www.acmhainn.ie
http://www.acmhainn.ie/focloirparl/

by The Insider Tue Jun 17, 2003 19:19

I think you've been reading too many superman comics. Clark Kent is a fictional character!

by Jack Tue Jun 17, 2003 20:53

"A large number of uniformed and plainclothes 26 county police were present in the graveyard while a spotter plane flew overhead. On the way back to Dublin the bus passed the free state army escorting four men, who were charged yesterday with IRA membership, to Portlaoise Jail. A reminder if ever one was needed that Wolfe Tone's aim of breaking the connection with England has not been realised. "
For the Irish Capitalist class in the south that break was made many years ago. That's why its the free state army arresting the 4. It's also why nationalist republican politics ends in defeat - generation after generation. This time its Adams & Co, next time it will be RSF (or its bigger split). What lessons have been learned from the provos campaign???

by ipsiphi - beagnach gaeilge ormsa Thu Jun 19, 2003 11:45

go leír. na lig sibh i gcothú. Is mise ainriallai
(creidim go bfhuill ainriallaí chomh "anarchist" (ní bfhuil aon focloír agam)
Níl mórán fadhb agam leis sin (an stát).
Tá fhios agam go bfhuil, go raibh, duine bocht agus na eileanna.

hmmmmmmmmm.

Ná leathnaigh do bhrat muna féidir leat á chosaint.

anois?

by vindicated Mon Dec 08, 2003 11:10

it's not a Garda plane.
a garda plane has two engines.
you were only looking for attention.