British Ambassador Residence Blocked

by Tom Luby Thu May 22, 2003 16:07

6 County elections now!
Reinstate Martin McGuinness as a Minister of the Crown!
Cross Border Bodies With Executive Powers!

Any more good slogans?

by Sean Thu May 22, 2003 16:23

1. Let´s keep British Direct Rule.
2. Don´t speak out against Blair or you´ll be a sell out.
Or and my favourite...
3. The (Add whomever applicable) RIRA, CIRA, INLA, SWP(sorry couldn´t resist), Anarcho-syndicalist Trotskyist Irish Judean People´s Front...will bring about the emancipation of the Irish people by means of berating their opponents on the left.

by Tom Luby Thu May 22, 2003 16:27

But what happened to the 32 County Republic?

by Janus Thu May 22, 2003 16:28

The Free Staters overthrew it in 1922.

by Janus Thu May 22, 2003 16:57

Maybe so, but I haven't seen anyone else coming up with alternatives.

by pat c Thu May 22, 2003 17:03

But SF could consider forming an anti capitalist opposition in Stormont. Let the UUP, SDLP, DUP & Alliance administer the cutbacks.

by historian by day - merchant banker analyst by night Thu May 22, 2003 17:04

the legation didn't always have offices there, they got moved from Merrion Square in the early seventies...

by Janus Thu May 22, 2003 17:12

Maybe so, but I haven't seen anyone else coming up with alternatives.

by $ Thu May 22, 2003 20:37

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by Michael McGroarty Thu May 22, 2003 21:25 michael_mcgroarty at hotmail dot com

Does anyone have any advice about how an American of Irish descent may help in the effort to free Ireland from British rule? Any comments are welcome. Both my Great-grandparents came from Donegal. I subscribe to AP-RN, etc. Any advice?

by Reality Bites Fri May 23, 2003 10:25

I suggest you try doing some basic reading and thus grasping that the situation in the north is a bit more complicated than 'freeing it from British rule'. The colour-by-numbers version of Irish history and politics you'll get in AP/RN ain't going to deliver that.

by o as if Fri May 23, 2003 13:47

is probably akin to freeing Britain from British rule and your hometown in the USA from US rule.
it is all colours.
and maps.

by pat c Fri May 23, 2003 14:39

was freeing east timor from indonesian rule the same as freeing jaktara from indonesian rule?

i also dont think people in the home counties ever endured the sort of systematic discrimination imposed under the old stormont.

and i think quite a lot of welsh, scottish and manucunians would be happy to be free of English rule. ;)

by Michael McGroarty Fri May 23, 2003 23:06 michael_mcgroarty at hotmail dot com

Okay, I know it isn't as simple as just "freeing" Ireland from the British, and I do try to search various sources of information. Perhaps that wasn't the best way to introduce myself. But this is why I'm asking you. What do you suggest I read? Which books, websites, etc? I've found some of the Irish anarchist sites pretty informative.

And yes, I think "freeing the U.S. from itself" is also of crucial importance. Being an American activist-citizen who has "roots" in Ireland, I'm interested in discovering my Irishness, as opposed to my "whiteness". I believe that Irish Americans who are tired of the conservative restraints of the Catholic Church and the Kennedys, and who, instead, are interested in genuine solidarity with international struggles, have something to offer.

Where do you all stand on home rule vs. republicanism? What do you think of Sinn Fein? Are they really a party of "equality"? Where is the strongest socialist party or organization? What would you like to see happen, in terms of a demonstration of support from other movements, on May 29th?

Any and all comments welcome.

by iosaf Mon May 26, 2003 11:25

Mr Mc Groarty,
I am an @narkist and thus can only give you a few of my thoughts on where we Irish stand on the home rule versus Republicanism thing.
I'll try and help you out though,
Homerule is a great idea, very popular, Mr Parnell really has been doing a good job of getting the ·ne plus ultra· to the tip of the agenda and his Sackville street gigs have been very popular of late, Republicanism has suffered a bit of unsteadyness to be honest since '98, but the next generation will probably remember how to sing the songs, there is an interesting socialist type thing happening between the feminists with Mrs Macbride bringing all sorts of new ideas and notions to the irish speaking community of mudders and yang wans, and the bolshevik wankers who have taken to marching up and down Abbey street two weekends a month with papermaché rifles, oh a very threatening bunch those, Mr Healy of the young Fine Gael movement reckons there's still a chance though for a well paying job in the service of the crown even though the grace and favour housing may have declined a bit, and we Irish well we're just like the people you find in your city Mr Mc Groarty, looking forward to the day, you know, sure it'll come eventually.

by Michael McGroarty Tue May 27, 2003 05:11

Iosaf,

What day are you hoping for? What do you want to see happen? Thanks for writing.

by Iosaf - returns to this page long after whilst sorting out his files Sun Jul 06, 2003 16:18

oh if the Irish could answer that...
"our day" Mr Mc Groarty, "our day" will come, long into the future, when the world finally leaves "their days", and "their months". Take for example today "the day of my writing" [though so long after the thread appears to be left]. Today is of the seventh month. I believe the Quakers, a group I always had a lot of sympàthy for (some of my favourite tutors were Quakers), [I am one of those ill favoured by a privelaged upbringing], would not recognise the "name" months. & most are, named after Gods or those would be Gods. Thus July is the first "name" month. Julius Caesar is long long dead, yet we still manage time using his name. This is "his" month. Some day we will have "our" days Mr Mc Groarty, & perhaps, o as if, maybe you will be able to adjust your PC to display "Today Mr Mc Groarty's day, of the fourth month" or whatever.

they say in Gaeilge "tiocfaidh ár lá".
It is a Sinn Fein slogan, yet when you leave the island behind, it is one of the most widespread "Irish language" phrases that people will say to you.

I have heard "tiocfaidh ár là" said with so many áccènts through the years, & I too Mr McGroarty have wondered "tiocfaidh mo lá?", oh when the cows come home= "tiocfaidh ár lao".

I really am very clever & it is quite alright if I say so here, as to do so is to assure most that I shall never use that cleverness against you.
:-)

by . Thu Jul 10, 2003 19:51

@ what tree shall we stop?

by J McGroarty Fri Apr 14, 2006 03:48

The tree that we shall stop at is the one where the english depart from our Land.

Tiocfaidh ár là!

In the name of Ballygroarty, Derry, Donegal and Éire we shall be one! As the following Members of the Commonwealth have been under her tyranny of the crown;

Antigua and Barbuda
Australia
Bahamas
Bangladesh
Barbados
Belize
Botswana
Brunei Darussalam
Cameroon
Canada
Cyprus
Dominica
Fiji Islands
Gambia
Ghana
Grenada
Guyana
India
Jamaica
Kenya
Kiribati
Lesotho
Malawi
Malaysia
Maldives
Malta
Mauritius
Mozambique
Namibia
Nauru
New Zealand
Nigeria
Pakistan
Papua New Guinea
St. Kitts and Nevis
St. Lucia
St. Vincent and the Grenadines
Seychelles
Sierra Leone
Singapore
Solomon Islands
South Africa
Sri Lanka
Swaziland
Tanzania
Tonga
Trinidad and Tobago
Tuvalu
Uganda
Vanuatu
Western Samoa
Zambia

We shall be triumphant!

Tiocfaidh ár là!