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category national | miscellaneous | news report author Friday May 09, 2003 14:50author by KG - SWP Report this post to the editors

the rightward drift of Socialist Alternative

Socialist Alternative may like to portray themselves as a radical group with slogans such as 'Revolution Socialism from below etc etc.' But the reality is somewhat different.

Since leaving the SWP they have gone further and further to the right so much so that they backed a leading memebr of the Labour party who was also backed by Fianna Fáil in the UCD elections over a revolutionary socialist who had a very good record of struggle. Another thing that shows their right wing drift is the fact that their chairman Donal Lyons seems to have joined the Labour Party. See the link below to read more about what this group are really about.

Their leader Danny Finn has also uncritically backed the reformism of Tommy Sheridan's SSP.

http://www.indymedia.ie/cgi-bin/newswire.cgi?id=43848&start=50&sid=48581

- KG SWP

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 #   Title   Author   Date 
 1   get over it     indymedia supporter    Fri May 09, 2003 15:04 
 2   Not impressed     Andrew    Fri May 09, 2003 15:15 
 3   strange backers     tony    Fri May 09, 2003 15:19 
 4   Leadership still telling you that lie then Tony     Andrew    Fri May 09, 2003 15:31 
 5   No way     Puzzled    Fri May 09, 2003 15:31 
 6   re: Puzzled     Andrew    Fri May 09, 2003 15:45 
 7   SWP is back on indymedia     Grow up    Fri May 09, 2003 15:50 
 8   Haven't     :¬)    Fri May 09, 2003 15:53 
 9   Andrew     Puzzled    Fri May 09, 2003 16:08 
 10   Indymedia supporter     confused?    Fri May 09, 2003 16:13 
 11   Alliance Against Nice     Justin Moran    Fri May 09, 2003 16:20 
 12   Well?     Puzzled    Fri May 09, 2003 16:25 
 13   To confused     IMC supporter    Fri May 09, 2003 16:28 
 14   HAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAA!     Durutti    Fri May 09, 2003 16:28 
 15   re: puzzled     Andrew    Fri May 09, 2003 16:35 
 16   SWP better than Orwell     Independent    Fri May 09, 2003 16:37 
 17   Wheres Oisin and Finghin?     Curious    Fri May 09, 2003 16:39 
 18   Clarifying on broad based stuff     Andrew    Fri May 09, 2003 16:46 
 19   Andrew again     Puzzled    Fri May 09, 2003 17:03 
 20   dear oh dear     Dan    Fri May 09, 2003 17:20 
 21   Suits     Janus    Fri May 09, 2003 17:27 
 22   Dan     Puzzled    Fri May 09, 2003 17:28 
 23   Debate bad, lobotomy good     Independent    Fri May 09, 2003 17:30 
 24   Puzzled     Curious    Fri May 09, 2003 17:32 
 25   Curious     Independent    Fri May 09, 2003 17:40 
 26   Dan and Curious     Puzzled    Fri May 09, 2003 17:40 
 27   Puzzled is not a swp member, bush is a peace loving socialist     Independent    Fri May 09, 2003 17:42 
 28   Suits and Swimmers     Janus    Fri May 09, 2003 17:44 
 29   Puzzled     Curious    Fri May 09, 2003 17:48 
 30   Janus     Hebe    Fri May 09, 2003 17:50 
 31   Hebe     Janus    Fri May 09, 2003 17:59 
 32   any chance of a debate?     Dan    Fri May 09, 2003 17:59 
 33   A quick recap     Puzzled    Fri May 09, 2003 18:00 
 34   Keep on truckin     Puzzled    Fri May 09, 2003 18:04 
 35   Puzzled     Curious    Fri May 09, 2003 18:06 
 36   Some Questions!         Fri May 09, 2003 18:13 
 37   Where Are The Totsky Twins?     Worried    Fri May 09, 2003 18:15 
 38   don't let them off the hook     Dec McCarthy    Fri May 09, 2003 18:17 
 39   Still no answers     Puzzled    Fri May 09, 2003 18:44 
 40   to the left of the sp/swp??     hunter    Fri May 09, 2003 18:45 
 41   Still No Answers On RBBS MILLIONS     Curious    Fri May 09, 2003 18:50 
 42   Can the SWP answer a straight question?     Independent    Fri May 09, 2003 19:07 
 43   What I find funny     King Mob    Fri May 09, 2003 19:09 
 44   XXXXXXX KING COP     Cheka    Fri May 09, 2003 19:21 
 45   Kieran Allen a member of the ruling class?     Curious and curiouser    Fri May 09, 2003 19:36 
 46   I suppose thats a no then     Dan    Fri May 09, 2003 19:42 
 47   Clarification     Finghin    Fri May 09, 2003 19:51 
 48   What's the point of this sort of aggro?     R Isible    Fri May 09, 2003 19:53 
 49   Fine, but...     Troll    Fri May 09, 2003 20:43 
 50   Very ammusing     Noone    Fri May 09, 2003 21:56 
 51   All SWP 'leaders' are from the ruling class?     Sean    Sat May 10, 2003 10:37 
 52   ?     Clare    Sat May 10, 2003 10:37 
 53   yeah, piss off students!     paul calf    Sat May 10, 2003 10:43 
 54   Fair enough, but...     Dan    Sat May 10, 2003 12:18 
 55   members in labour     conor mc gowan    Sat May 10, 2003 12:20 
 56   Good on ye lads     IMC supporter    Sat May 10, 2003 12:37 
 57   No way are SA a left split     Barry T    Sat May 10, 2003 12:48 
 58   Question for Andrew     rachel    Sat May 10, 2003 13:15 
 59   So there we have it     Puzzled    Sat May 10, 2003 16:55 
 60   NEWSFLASH     Anne Doyle    Sat May 10, 2003 17:29 
 61   Stupid post     Well read    Sat May 10, 2003 18:46 
 62   Of course Stalin is the outcome     Josef    Sat May 10, 2003 20:11 
 63   a short reply to 'well read'     Finghin    Sat May 10, 2003 20:20 
 64   It's the 'certain democratic practices' that are anathema to socialism     Josef    Sat May 10, 2003 21:49 
 65   What?     Blue collar    Sun May 11, 2003 07:43 
 66   We don't want to work at all.     Blue collar    Sun May 11, 2003 07:44 
 67   Conors post wasnt real     Dan    Sun May 11, 2003 12:04 
 68   mistruths     Finghin    Sun May 11, 2003 14:19 
 69   Around the merry-go-round again.     Puzzled    Sun May 11, 2003 14:38 
 70   Reply to Josef     Finghin    Sun May 11, 2003 14:49 
 71   I don't want to get into a 'what is socialism?' discussion     Josef    Sun May 11, 2003 17:05 
 72   socialism     Finghin    Sun May 11, 2003 18:45 
 73   How come none of the Communist countries ever tried democracy     Josef    Sun May 11, 2003 21:33 
 74   Communism != State Socialism     Mary    Sun May 11, 2003 22:04 
 75   The SWP and the SSP     John    Mon May 12, 2003 01:16 
 76   Socialist Alternative     John    Mon May 12, 2003 01:25 
 77   Josef, Dont Be So Hard On Stalin     pat c    Mon May 12, 2003 10:26 
 78   A Record.     Harry Pollitt    Mon May 12, 2003 11:06 
 79   socialism and democracy     Former Trot    Mon May 12, 2003 11:10 
 80   Highly amused     Andrew    Mon May 12, 2003 11:30 
 81   the mythology of russia....     former trot    Mon May 12, 2003 11:42 
 82   Saints     John    Mon May 12, 2003 12:16 
 83   when a reply is not one     former trot    Mon May 12, 2003 12:40 
 84   Not getting it...     Andrew    Mon May 12, 2003 12:44 
 85   Er...John     Independent    Mon May 12, 2003 13:38 
 86   This thread is about SA not Trotsky V Anarchists     rosie    Mon May 12, 2003 13:49 
 87   At least.     John    Mon May 12, 2003 14:02 
 88   About what now ...     Andrew    Mon May 12, 2003 14:09 
 89   And what a mess     Andrew    Mon May 12, 2003 14:22 
 90   SWP, SA elections etc     rosie    Mon May 12, 2003 14:29 
 91   By your own logic Rosie (SWP supporter)     Independent    Mon May 12, 2003 14:45 
 92   Personal slanders don't get you anywhere     Paul M    Mon May 12, 2003 15:03 
 93   Rosie     Magneto    Mon May 12, 2003 15:07 
 94   As a matter fo fact     Andrew    Mon May 12, 2003 15:09 
 95   Not much more to say, but     Dan    Mon May 12, 2003 15:25 
 96   You Dont Know The Half Of It     Bingo    Mon May 12, 2003 15:45 
 97   Andrew     rosie    Mon May 12, 2003 16:48 
 98   In reply to rosie     Sean    Mon May 12, 2003 16:48 
 99   re: rosie     Andrew    Mon May 12, 2003 17:02 
 100   Paul Murphy     Finghin    Mon May 12, 2003 17:07 
 101   personality differences     rosie    Mon May 12, 2003 17:14 
 102   Room 101     Harry Pollitt    Mon May 12, 2003 17:18 
 103   again in reply     sean    Mon May 12, 2003 17:26 
 104   Not a record     Gurrier    Mon May 12, 2003 17:33 
 105   My brain is starting to melt but we soldier on for the cause....     Minister For Truth.    Mon May 12, 2003 18:43 
 106   Im starting to enjoy myself now     Dan    Mon May 12, 2003 19:08 
 107   Minister for Truth     Justin Moran    Mon May 12, 2003 19:22 
 108   yeah!     pat c    Mon May 12, 2003 19:27 
 109   what is going on here     OK    Mon May 12, 2003 19:28 
 110   comment 110.     iosaf    Mon May 12, 2003 20:00 
 111   history is important     hunter    Mon May 12, 2003 21:08 
 112   sorry about that     hunter    Mon May 12, 2003 21:28 
 113   When are the SWP going to come clean on the panties issue?     Whoo hooo!!    Mon May 12, 2003 23:03 
 114   Room 101     History lesson    Tue May 13, 2003 00:15 
 115   Some answers     Brian Cahill    Tue May 13, 2003 00:42 
 116   Brian, your organisation has lost all credibility.     Phuq Hedd    Tue May 13, 2003 01:55 
 117   sp in poll tax     james    Tue May 13, 2003 02:52 
 118   A quick reply     Brian Cahill    Tue May 13, 2003 03:17 
 119   The Poll Tax     Brian Cahill    Tue May 13, 2003 03:41 
 120   In defence of Phuq Hedd     Daithi    Tue May 13, 2003 05:19 
 121   In defence of Irish Socialists.     iosaf    Tue May 13, 2003 13:01 
 122   NEXT SONG!!!     Ciaran    Tue May 13, 2003 13:44 
 123   The personal is political     Dan    Tue May 13, 2003 14:16 
 124   Political reasons please     Finghin    Tue May 13, 2003 14:45 
 125   Finghin     Cato    Tue May 13, 2003 14:56 
 126   And again     Brian Cahill    Tue May 13, 2003 15:14 
 127   Who is a proto-stalinist authoritarian meglomaniac     Socialist    Tue May 13, 2003 15:16 
 128   Predictable     Amused    Tue May 13, 2003 15:36 
 129   Brian, PLease Dont Try To Mislead People     Durutti Column    Tue May 13, 2003 15:37 
 130   Elections etc     Andrew    Tue May 13, 2003 15:50 
 131   who is a proto-stalinist authoritarian meglomaniac     Socialist    Tue May 13, 2003 15:56 
 132   Once more     Brian Cahill    Tue May 13, 2003 15:59 
 133   Now I am getting confused.     Brian Cahill    Tue May 13, 2003 16:04 
 134   Brian, Please Be Honest. Answer The Points Made     Durutti    Tue May 13, 2003 16:08 
 135   Again     Brian Cahill    Tue May 13, 2003 16:22 
 136   re: Brian     Andrew    Tue May 13, 2003 16:29 
 137   Brian, Honesty Still Evades You     Durutti    Tue May 13, 2003 16:30 
 138   Going for a record now     Dan    Tue May 13, 2003 16:43 
 139   Somethig I forgot     Dan    Tue May 13, 2003 16:59 
 140   More     Brian Cahill    Tue May 13, 2003 17:03 
 141   Brian     Durutti    Tue May 13, 2003 17:08 
 142   Not So Fast Durutti     Magneto    Tue May 13, 2003 17:12 
 143   Dan     Brian Cahill    Tue May 13, 2003 17:43 
 144   Come now Brian     Chekov    Tue May 13, 2003 18:03 
 145   To Brian Cahill     Phuq Hedd    Tue May 13, 2003 19:03 
 146   More lies     Finghin    Tue May 13, 2003 19:22 
 147   re:more lies     sean    Tue May 13, 2003 19:49 
 148   150 here we come!     Dan    Tue May 13, 2003 19:56 
 149   victory for the right     whatever    Tue May 13, 2003 20:27 
 150   With a Left like the SP who needs the Right?     thread    Tue May 13, 2003 20:52 
 151   March 1st - Lies, damned lies and utter and complete rubbish     Dominic Haugh    Tue May 13, 2003 22:04 
 152   why I engaged in this thread     Finghin    Tue May 13, 2003 22:56 
 153   Conclusions from the above     SA Fan    Wed May 14, 2003 02:41 
 154   To Dominic     Phuq Hedd    Wed May 14, 2003 04:18 
 155   This cannot be true?     A troll?    Wed May 14, 2003 10:00 
 156   The earlier discussions     Ray    Wed May 14, 2003 10:18 
 157   i meant to stay out of this     pat c    Wed May 14, 2003 10:20 
 158   Lord Haugh Haugh     Durutti    Wed May 14, 2003 10:31 
 159   PUP     pat c    Wed May 14, 2003 10:42 
 160   Liars Silenced     Curious    Wed May 14, 2003 14:34 
 161   A reply to more lies and slurs     Oisin Kelly    Wed May 14, 2003 14:48 
 162   life can make u cynical but IAWM made me a bitter old man !     conor (wsm personal capacity)    Wed May 14, 2003 15:54 
 163   Ye Wot?!     james (SA Personal Capacity)    Wed May 14, 2003 16:41 
 164   for Dan,James and all other members of SA     SU politics hater, don’t vote – it only encourages them.    Wed May 14, 2003 18:18 
 165   James,     Finghin    Wed May 14, 2003 18:38 
 166   This is getting ridiculous...     James SA    Wed May 14, 2003 18:44 
 167   not racist     Finghin    Wed May 14, 2003 18:49 
 168   su politics hater     ciaran    Wed May 14, 2003 18:51 
 169   piss ups     Finghin    Wed May 14, 2003 18:54 
 170   i shouldn't even reply to this     Gaz 'Petty Bourgeois Reformist' Barrett    Wed May 14, 2003 20:50 
 171   Here comes the knight in shining revolutionary armour! :)     Paul M    Thu May 15, 2003 13:55 
 172   Given the SP's new found opposition to personal slanders     Andrew    Thu May 15, 2003 15:35 
 173   why I don't trust the leadership of the SP and the SWP     Dec McCarthy    Thu May 15, 2003 16:29 
 174   Personal attacks     Finghin    Thu May 15, 2003 18:17 
 175   the issues that attract discussion     john Throne    Thu May 15, 2003 20:29 
 176   Nice Troll!     Backstabber    Thu May 15, 2003 22:43 
 177   Number 178     Brian Cahill    Fri May 16, 2003 00:35 
 178   Whoosh - over Brians head.     Irony is dead    Fri May 16, 2003 12:41 
 179   A blunt answer     Brian Cahill    Fri May 16, 2003 14:27 
 180   I think this might be my last one comrades Im tired     Dan    Fri May 16, 2003 16:07 
 181   Whoosh again     Irony is dead    Fri May 16, 2003 18:55 
 182   trying to keep it on the issues     john throne    Fri May 16, 2003 21:23 
 183   Student nurses won abolition of fees through direct action     Cian    Sat May 17, 2003 17:45 
 184   Cian - read the material     Finghin    Sat May 17, 2003 18:44 
 185   ..     cfer    Sat May 17, 2003 22:42 
 186   SP in USI campaign     Finghin    Sat May 17, 2003 23:40 
 187   and what about the anarchists?     (A)    Sun May 18, 2003 01:21 
 188   On the No leaflet     Finghin    Sun May 18, 2003 14:55 
 189   ............     james redmond    Sun May 18, 2003 18:05 
 190   One more point....     james redmond    Sun May 18, 2003 18:12 
 191   The leaflet a couple of points     Finghin    Sun May 18, 2003 20:37 
 192   One more point     Finghin    Mon May 19, 2003 00:22 
 193   some help please     john throne    Mon May 19, 2003 03:27 
 194   previous post     Gordon    Mon May 19, 2003 12:29 
 195   Pointless crap posted as article     Ray    Mon May 19, 2003 13:17 
 196   Could this be an elaborate attempt to make the SWP appear like twats...     james redmond    Mon May 19, 2003 15:19 
 197   SWP/Spart merger on cards?     Dan    Mon May 19, 2003 15:57 
 198   Funny as fuck..     Irony is dead    Mon May 19, 2003 21:45 
 199   Where are Throne's comments     Irony is dying    Tue May 20, 2003 18:58 
 200   To go fishing, or have a serious discussion?     Democrat    Tue May 20, 2003 22:05 
 201   Troika News     Troikawatcher    Thu May 22, 2003 18:26 
 202   .     .    Fri May 23, 2003 19:15 
 203   203     Intransigent    Mon May 26, 2003 18:02 


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