if any of the kind and good readership are in Italy....

by Seanin Fri Mar 07, 2003 12:03

"We disobey the War" ?????? ????? ????? ?????

Something got lost on translation there.

I hope the Italian police kick their arses. They didn't get enough when they were growing up.

by Ali la Pointe - fun lovin anti imperialistas Fri Mar 07, 2003 12:56

you seem to willing to obey, and too quick to call on authority to repress dissent.

or maybe its just a blow job you need.

by Seanin Fri Mar 07, 2003 13:36

It's a way to draw you people out. How quickly you veeeeeeer off topic! The immediate reaction is to attack the person.

I have very little faith in your ability to think things through in a reasonable manner.

by Stella Italiana - Language police Fri Mar 07, 2003 13:45

A better translation would be "we do not comply with" rather than "we disobey".
And don't worry Seanin, the Italian police are well able to kick people's arses without any encouragement from you! VIVA LA PACE.
BLAIR, BUSH, BERLUSCONI,
ANDATE FUORI DEI COGLIONI!!

by Seanin Fri Mar 07, 2003 13:51

I think it's an ego trip for you lot from start to finish. It's not a game, you know.

I've no problem with people marching peacefully down a street. But this sort of action is both futile and an exercise in glory seeking.

it is a slur on the thousands of people with genuine concerns who demonstrate peacefully and lawfully.

by Shoenin watcher Fri Mar 07, 2003 14:20

Demonstrate peacefully sheonin? And at the same time you want the police to kick their arses? Not very consistent, are you, shoenin?

by Joe Fri Mar 07, 2003 14:23

Salerno, 10:31am, March 7, 2003

US train blockaded in Italy:

Father Vitaliano chained to a tank. About 50 disobedients have blockaded a train which, according to the protesters, transports tanks and military hardware. The blockade is takling place in the train station of Battipaglia, near Salerno. Among the protesters, who have anti-war banners, are Francesco Caruso and Father Vitaliano Della Sala. The latter, along with a youth, has chained himself to a tank. [...] "This train won't leave from here" said Francesco Caruso. The train was directed to Puglia.

by another seanin watcher Fri Mar 07, 2003 15:27

this warm comfartable 'democracy-like' society that you enjoy was built upon disobedience, disobedience against tyrants, kings, empires, bosses, ..I mean what the hell sort of a world would WE be living in right now if everyone towed the line and did what he was told, no revolutions, no workers rights, no change, no improvents, no nothing... sure we'd still have slavery and child workers. Face it Seanin, the world is a better place because people took drastic actions, were DISOBEDIENT, stood up for themselves and were counted.
Not like you, who sit at home criticising those who seek a better future for YOU.

by Seanin Fri Mar 07, 2003 17:18

I suppose it's an ego trip for to.

But you won't find FF lowering their standards to the shower in here

by The Real Seanin Sat Mar 08, 2003 05:08

That's a good point and well put. However, those days you speakof are long gone. People have guaranteed rights these days and there is simply no justification for breaking the law to express an opinion.

It is futile, it alienates the undecided and robs the "moderate" anti-war campaigners of credibility.

NB:

That other post is not by me, somebody is using my moniker.

by ipsiphi Sat Mar 08, 2003 12:19 bcn

http://barcelona.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=34618&group=webcast

by Dr. R. Gaszht-Singh (the unborn) Sat Mar 08, 2003 17:44

the universal big tractor.
and the
universal "stop" sign.
really quite simple.-

Trains are easy to spot as well.
They tend to be big have lots of wheels and run on tracks.
Contrary to the opinion of Archibishop Usher and friends who maintained that transportation of people by railway would cause aphixiation over twenty miles per hour, safe and relatively comfortable transit is possible in modern day Europe at over 300km per hour.
The first comuter type train was built in Ireland [an officially designated cheap labour zone] where the locals were not considered to important in the Eighteenth century.

After several dozen of the locals mostly decendents of the O´byrnes who had plagued the Bristol settlers of Ranelagh in the fourteenth century had survived the short journey between Kingstown and Dublin without showing signs of either aphixiation or even going slightly blue in the face, the train was introduced as a safe method of transport throughout the World.

Trains also played an important role in the mainly Austrian beurocracy of NAZI Germany. In fact trains are the transport system most psychically suggestive of Fascism. The first Italian Fascist dictator Mussolini had ensured the arrival and departure to timetable of the Italian train service. A feat which engratiated him with "the honest hardworking keep their heads down no nonsense types of his day".

The first War known to all fans of Brass rubbing as the "great war" was planned before hand to be a simple matter of moving the German war machine from east to west according to the "von Schieflen plan". It is worth mentoining though that there was some considerable resistance from railway executives at the confiscation of their rolling stock.

The "great war" ended on the Western front officially in a train carraige where representatives of Germany France Britian and the some other "hanger-ons" singed the Treaty of Versailles. For those scholarly types it is may be worth remembering that the actual copy of the Treaty was only printed properly for the first three pages. The "great war" thus ended for most with signatures on a document of illegible gibberish.

These days a train journey is quite cheap, though after the bycycle one of the cleanest transport options the train is a poorly developed infrastructure solution to many urban problems.

Trains should be free. It is my advise that if you are trying a train journey that you jump the barrier at the station.
If you are going more than seven kilometres it is sometimes a good idea to hide in the toilet.