FINI = MUSSOLINI

by Gianfranco Fini Thu Oct 17, 2002 15:45

To all my Liberal friends on indymedia: I implore you to defend my right to speak.

I know I won't be disappointed by you.

Congratulations on your support for the ICP posters. That will keep illegal immigrants in their place.

by Ray Thu Oct 17, 2002 16:07

Gianfranco Fini himself has been reading my posts, and rubbing his hands together with glee.

I had never thought of it like that before.

I am so ashamed.

by What's that Ray? Fri Oct 18, 2002 00:14

ICP poster OK? But Indymedia censors those on the Left? There's a logic to anarchism which if you take enough drugs you can sometimes glimpse.
Pass the sick bag!

by Ray Fri Oct 18, 2002 09:11

The same rules apply to everybody.

If someone posts advertisements on indymedia, they get taken down.
If someone writes an article on indymedia that is within the guidelines, or puts a political poster up, then it stays up.

It doesn't matter whether they're anarchists, Trots, Fianna Failers, or Catholic nationalists. If you're in favour of freedom of speech, then you're in favour of freedom of speech for people you disagree with. If you want to censor those you disagree with, then you're not in favour of freedom of speech.

If you find that hard to follow then I can only be glad you're not in charge.

(I do make an exception in the case of fascists, where I think its right to prevent them from organising. But nobody has said the ICP is fascist)

by Aine Ni Chonnaill Fri Oct 18, 2002 10:27

You are such a nice boy, always standing up for me; I think of you as the son I never had. Well done in putting down those nasty AFA people and chastising those in your Libertine group who were pulling down my posters.

Lots of immigrants will suffer due to your inaction. Top marks my boy.

by Ray Fri Oct 18, 2002 10:45

I don't know why I bother arguing with people who still think its clever to impersonate people but...

- You are such a nice boy, always standing up for me; I think of you as the son I never had.

I'll try to keep it to words of one syllable this time.
It is GOOD to let people say what they think, even when you do not like the things they say or think.
It is BAD to stop people from talking, just because you don't like the things they say.
The REASON it is bad is because there are some people who may not like the things that YOU think. If you stop other people from talking, maybe someone else will stop YOU from talking. That would be BAD.

- Well done in putting down those nasty AFA people and chastising those in your Libertine group who were pulling down my posters.

I've a lot of respect for AFA, I just disagree with their stance on the ICP. If people who are in LAN want to take down ICP posters that is up to them. I just want it to be clear that it has nothing to do with LAN.

- Lots of immigrants will suffer due to your inaction. Top marks my boy.

I was a member of the Anti Racism Campaign for years, and in that time gave out many thousands of leaflets which addressed racist arguments. I still get involved in anti-racist work, and during the last general election distributed AFA (or AFA/RAR?) leaflets throughout Dublin South Central, where Ni Chonaill was standing as a candidate. Your ignorance speaks volumes.

by Paul - Irish Peoples Party Fri Oct 18, 2002 11:01

A special thanks to Ray for also leaving our posters up. When we call for all immigrants out we know this will get the thugs going and attack refugees.

You are of so much help to us.

by A Narchist Fri Oct 18, 2002 11:16

For leaving those Libertarians Against Nice posters up.

Do I have to do the same with A Trot, M Aoist, and Dr E Publican before you get the message?

What if I post messages from V Lenin, congratulating Dublin Corporation for taking down those objectively anti-working class anarchist posters?

Real freedom means freedom for people you disagree with. When you set up your dictatorship you can count me out.

by Adolf Hitler Fri Oct 18, 2002 13:05

You left me in last time. You gave me freedom of speech. I really love you guys.

I vill unite you all in the camps.

by Ray Fri Oct 18, 2002 13:16

"(I do make an exception in the case of fascists, where I think its right to prevent them from organising. But nobody has said the ICP is fascist)"

The 'no platform' policy is appropriate when you're talking about fascists.

If you start describing everyone you don't agree with as 'fascists' then you're no better than the Bolsheviks who banned 'objectively counter-revolutionary' speech, or the Stalinists who described everyone else as 'social fascists'.