Israel starts up factories of death

by Daithi Fri Mar 29, 2002 13:45

That is complete and utter codswallop. Provide a link, a reference, a source, or at least something truthful.

IF you don't do so I will assume that you are just a liar.

by could be happening it sure fits Fri Mar 29, 2002 14:00

who are you anyway the truth monitor?

by dan Fri Mar 29, 2002 14:18

seeing as how israel has shot an or killed just about every reporter sent there

by dan Fri Mar 29, 2002 14:19

seeing as how israel has shot an or killed just about every reporter sent there the could be hiding something

by Daithi Fri Mar 29, 2002 15:38

No, I'm not looking for names and addresses. I'm merely saying that if such assertions are made, they should have at least some semblance of fact about them - and an appropriate way of showing this is with a reference, link, or other such assurance.

"Truth monitor"? No, not at all. I just hope that the person posting the article read the bit about this being a "news" wire. I'm willing to listen if this is more than someone spewing vile rubbish.

by ken Fri Mar 29, 2002 20:08

This could be true if it is what’s next?? The facts are a whole lot of reporters have been shot by Israel maybe cause there hiding something like this. A few international observers where killed in that area this week too. Not much news is getting out of there now. This should be checked out the only problem is Israel will not let anyone in to verify this.

by amanda Sat Mar 30, 2002 00:44

why not look through either imc isael or imc palestine. surely if there were any truth to it something would appear there. there are quite a lot of english language stories on both sites. while i wouldnt dismiss this story out of hand, based on the fact that during ww2 most people were completely unaware of what happened in concentration camps, i wouldnt accept it without evidence. there isn't a single link to anything else, no evidence, nobody who has actually seen any of this. i could just as easily put a mail on the newswire and say this kind of thing was happening in kerry but that wouldnt make it true.

If the author of this article would like to give some evidence to his allegations then it would be taken more seriously. Or anyone else wanting to check it out then read independant press from these areas but just because somebody said it doesnt make it so.

by amanda Sat Mar 30, 2002 01:21

just actually checked the world news. look at what we do know is happening in palestine right now. i don't think we need to be arguing amoungst ourselves about the semantics of what is happening there. one way or the other people are being hurt and killed. what we should be really doing is trying to figure a way to make it stop. don't mean to sound preachy, of course coming at the rest of the world with unsubstantiated conspiracy theory isn't going to help, but the facts that we do know are bad enough. And obviously its not just going to stop cause we want it to.
but do something, there are contact no.'s on imc palestine for people who are in ramallah, pass on the information about whats happening there and the contact no.'s to people who can use them. Let as many people as you can, find out what is happening there. Corporate media is so dreadfully biased but unfortunately that is what the majority of people are exposed to. If you have contacts please use them and let as many people as possible see the truth.

by sounds famialar Sun Mar 31, 2002 08:33

http://jerusalem.indymedia.org/news/2002/03/1269.php

No Movement Possible: Inhabitants of the city are under complete curfew. There is absolutely no freedom of movement, even for ambulances, doctors or international agencies, such as the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC). There is no medical access. Palestine Red Crescent medical relief workers have not been permitted to provide medical services to the local population. Israeli forces are firing on anyone walking out on the streets.

On Thursday, based on fears of an Israeli re-invasion, more than 500 inhabitants, including foreign nationals, lined up in the mud and rain at the Qalandiya checkpoint—the only exit point from the city allowed by Israel—begging Israeli soldiers to allow them to escape. In response, Israeli soldiers fired over their heads, exacerbating the panic and causing most to simply return to Ramallah.

Israeli Forces Using Human Shields: Israeli soldiers are occupying an increasing number of private residences and detaining the residents collectively in single rooms, with little or no access to telephone lines, news coverage or even food and water. In some cases, tens of civilians (including entire families) are being held in one room. Meanwhile, Israeli occupation soldiers have taken up armed positions in the houses or apartments of these residents. Civilian detainees include foreign nationals.

No Access to the City: The ICRC, the UN and other humanitarian agencies are unable to access the city or to access the civilian detainees and other prisoners.

Food Resources Limited: There is no food entering Ramallah and no one is allowed to restock. There will shortly be a food and drinking water crisis. Some parts of Ramallah are already without water altogether. Israeli soldiers are also eating the food of residents while taking up positions in their houses.

Electricity Being Cut: Large parts of Ramallah are without electricity and heat. The weather has been raining and unseasonably cold - residents have been struggling to keep warm. The lack of electricity also means that residents are without television and any news reporting of the situation outside their homes. Many residents of the city rely on cellular phones for communication and without electricity they are unable to recharge their phones. Therefore, the population is being held in isolation and there is increasing fear and confusion. Also, some telephone landlines have been cut.

Prisoners Being Taken: Israeli forces are taking Palestinians prisoner, in the streets and in house-to-house searches. Israeli troops are calling upon all male residents between the ages of 16 and 40 in some neighborhoods to “surrender”. The wounded are being treated roughly and being denied medical access. Now, their fate is unknown. There are reports of summary execution of some prisoners. The ICRC does not have access to them to ensure adherence to international law, and specifically the Geneva Conventions.

Gratuitous Vandalism and Destruction: There are on-going spiteful acts of destruction. Most commonly, Israeli tanks are driving over and flattening cars whether on the streets or parked on pavements in front of residences. Personal property inside houses is being destroyed in house-to-house searches.

by Amanda Sun Mar 31, 2002 12:47

The story has appeared on imc palestine with links to other reports on it. http://jerusalem.indymedia.org/news/2002/03/1569.php
one in the palestinian chronicle
palestinechronicle.com/article.phpstory=20020316192103507