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by pat c Mon Aug 26, 2002 14:17

a side point but since ludd is very much in discuussion...

i would reccomend an alternate history novel by william gibson & bruce sterling. the luddites feature in this alternate world where babbages difference engine became a reality in the 19th century. mass uprisings continued after the peterloo massacre & byron ends up as prime minister.

shelly ends up as a dissident anarchist in exile.

all you lefties would love it.

by Shave them Whiskers - Anti Taschist Action Mon Aug 26, 2002 15:45

China Melville also does a good line in Socialist Science Fiction- Perdido Station

by pat c Mon Aug 26, 2002 16:31

yeah, steam punk.

perhaps the best socialist science fiction writer is ken macleod.

"the star fraction", "the stone canal", "the cassini division", "the sky road" etc.

this series introduces us to the webblies, IWWWW.
Information Workers of the World Wide Web. (so its not that much off topic.)

"Check out an interview with the science fiction author about political themes in his work."
www.purefiction.com/newrev/intervie/macleod.htm

by Firewoman Tue Aug 27, 2002 09:46

I have no idea what you lot just said........wow.

P.S. The "what?" was rhetorical.

by jonathan Tue Aug 27, 2002 11:54

Luddite:One who opposes technical or technological change

the swp (who oppose the upgrading of telephony infrastrucdure -from socialist aorker aprilish) on swp.ie

by pat c Tue Aug 27, 2002 12:32

i'm afraid when science fiction fans start gabbling the discusion often becomes arcane.

i didn't give the name of the book about the luddites; its "the difference engine" by gibson & sterling.

other good socialist sf authors are: ursula leguin, john barnes & iain m. banks.

by Marc O Maonaigh - www.forumireland.com Tue Aug 27, 2002 12:52 editor at forumireland dot com

There is a case study on the Nice Treaty at www.forumireland.com. We have articles form the Green Party and Fianna Fáil to represent each side of the vote and there is also an opinion poll running as to what way you would vote.

As featured article of the month Luke Ming Flanagan has written about Waste Management in Ireland and the lack of alternatives to incineration.

Hope you find these issues worthy of debate - if you want to submit your own article please email me at editor@foumireland.com

by lazy git Wed Aug 28, 2002 21:18

You are wasting your time appealing to this sorry lot as many of the above writers did FA campaigning on Nice the last time out and will probally do little this time either.

by pat c Thu Aug 29, 2002 12:50

gits

i campaigned against nice last time & i know that the swp did.

i will be at the libertarean meeting on 7/9 & will join in that campaign this time.

so gits, get involved in some campaign, be it leninist, libertarean or pana. but do pick a progressive one. ( i wish there could be a united campaign.)

pat