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category international | rights and freedoms | opinion/analysis author Tuesday June 18, 2013 14:00author by Damion Greham - Disgruntled driving student Report this post to the editors

Background

I answered an advertisement in the Evening Herald and went for lessons in the Airport School of Motoring. I paid approximately £6,000 in fees and was told that I would have a job when I passed my tests. I complied with all details asked of me and five years on ...... I AM STILL WAITING

In late 2008 I noticed an advertisement on two of our daily newspapers, the Irish Independent and the Evening Herald. The advert stated clearly that lessons for advanced drivers would result in you being qualified as a driving instructor and in addition you would have your own ADI personal registration number and you would also be in compliance with the Road Safety Authority. This is now five years on. I have written to Noel Brett and complained in relation to how this job was advertised by this school of motoring. I can safely say I have written at least 35 emails and yet have received no reply. It might sound bizarre but the same advert which I applied to in 2008 still appears on Irish newspapers on a weekly basis. It is only in the last six months while doing my own enquiries that I know there are at least 100 more people out there who find themselves in the same embarrassing position as I am. I am asking now if people have been misled as I have been and if they could please come forward and write their story.

Gay Byrne is Chairman of the National Road Safety Authority. I realise it is an honorary position but Noel Brett is the boss or as he calls himself a director on a high salary and he will not enforce regulations on behalf of people who have been grossly misled by false advertising..

I appeal to people to come forward

Disgruntled Driving Student

author by Seamus McGrath - Unemployed publication date Wed Jun 19, 2013 15:47Report this post to the editors

I totally understand where you are coming from Damion. I also got stung two years ago. You are correct, it is the exact same advertisement in the Evening Herald. Paid up front is an amount of £2,500 for advanced lessons and the promise is a job afterwards. Like you I am still waiting. I wrote to Noel Brett, Road Safety Authority but again no replies: cronyism, bureaucracy and entitlement rides high in this country.

I am sure there are hundreds of people out there who go stung also.

The G8 pledge on corruption needs to be tackled at grassroots. They say 'Trade Tax Transparency' are the principles we need to foster. Now its up to the people to take up the challenge and stop perceived corruption at each rung of the ladder.

Seamus

author by Eamon O'Rourke - Concerned citizenpublication date Thu Jun 20, 2013 15:47Report this post to the editors



I read the two previous postings carefully. I could not get a job as a national school teacher, just the odd week here and there. I read the advertisement in the Evening Herald. I took a series of lessons and they went well. No problem there but when I asked about the job, I was told to wait for the call. I am still waiting and now its six years on. So something is not as it appears in these scam ads.

I paid approximately 3,000 euros for lessons.

Eamon O'Rourke

author by Stewart Carolanpublication date Mon Jun 24, 2013 21:23Report this post to the editors

Direct employed positions advertised through internet job sites offer hope to a beleaguered people. When this requires investment some raid their savings, borrow from family or just reduce their requirement for sustenance in order to invest in their future and that of their families. Many feel desperate in their pursuit of jobs. There are more than 2000 registered ADIs (Approved Driving Instructors) now in Ireland. Training for potential ADIs is now a major source of income for many driving schools, some offer “Full and Part Time vacancies for Driving Instructors”, while others “DUE to continuing expansion Irish School of Motoring now require Driving Instructors”, some offer franchise opportunities and some merely provide training to those hoping to become self employed.
In all of these there is promise and hope. However, who benefits most from this promise, some schools show a proportion of their income as high as 80% from clients seeking ADI training. As with many professional organisations there is a Code of Practice. What makes the RSA ADI code incomplete is that it is clearly cited as “Voluntary”. There is nothing legally binding in this code. It relates to individual members only with no requirement for schools to be registered. Some are registered with FAS as being training providers. In the course of inquiry, I contacted first a school offering “the opportunity to be directly employed”. I was informally interviewed and informed that there was a dress code and pay would be based on a stated hourly rate. I was told that the company was expanding and that the qualification process should take approximately six weeks. “The sooner you pass, the sooner you'll be out there earning”. Following my evaluation, for which I was charged, I was informed that while my standards were reasonably high, I would require further training. The second school I contacted “now require instructors”, noted on an internet jobs site. As with the first school they would provide training, for a fee. It was made clear that the offer was an opportunity to purchase a franchise on successfully completing the training.

It is often not the absence of legislation that allows exploitation, but the absence of control. Greatness has been achieved in the total absence of law and order. Often the control is personal conscience and human compassion. Where this fails, as it often does with exploitation, laws need to be enforced. This enables control. There are two factors required, one that there is a law (a “Voluntary” Code of Practice is not a law), the other is that it is enforced. With a Code of Practice being made law, participants must not work for any organisation that contravenes this law, this implies that the organisation must also adhere to the Code. With driving schools there is therefore no control.

Some people are angry and feel duped. John (not real name) passed through this process resulting in debt of €10,000, it is painful to discover there is no job. €10,000 invested in hope with no result. John borrowed to be trained having been interviewed as I had. His anger is understandable. The standard of training was questioned by one participant, who having many years professional driving experience told me he had been instructed in one method which when practised resulted in a failed test. He noted that there is an instruction test, the Part 3 ADI test where an examiner assumes the role of a student in a car. This instruction test then qualifies the ADI to teach in any vehicle for which he or she has passed their ADI theory or Part 2 driving test. The loading of heavy goods vehicles forms no part of the instruction. An articulated vehicle is inherently unstable, correct loading is vital. The ADI business has been established in order to improve road safety, it applies to cars and motorcycles. The requirement is that any new provisional car driver must carry out 12 hour lessons of training before qualifying to apply for the driving test. For motorcycles this is 16 hour lessons. The relatively new requirement for compulsory learner training has resulted in an increase in the need for ADI instructors. This has been used as a basis for offering employment and therefore according to John, a basis for exploitation. One notice reads “Due to recent legislative changes, Airport Driving School has immediate Full Time and Part Time vacancies for Driving Instructors in Cars, Coaches, Trucks and Motorbikes”. There is also direct cold marketing aimed at recently qualified ADIs. Phone calls made or texts sent “At present Pass My Test Driving School are looking for qualified driving instructors to Join Our Team. We have an increasing amount of work in Dublin and are looking for instructors to come on board with us. We offer great terms to suit the instructor. So if you are interested please reply to this text and a member of our team will contact you to discuss further. Note: you must have your own car. Thanking you”. The great terms include a weekly fee paid by the ADI to the school, of a noted €135 in return for which lessons are organised. What exactly is provided for this? In the course of a telephone conversation with Pass My Test Driving School Robert (not real name) an ADI suggested an interview. There was no need he was told, suggesting no control being provided to either the ADI or their clients by this school.

Simon (not real name) is an ADI. He has extensive and very professional experience driving buses and hoped to extend his qualification to include for instructing bus drivers. He has a National Diploma in both Car and Motorcycle Training from RoSPA (Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents), considered to be world leaders in road safety. On contacting a school for the purpose of using a bus for his part two ADI test which he had applied for he was told that he would need to be evaluated. Simon thought it would be unreasonable for the school to allow anyone to drive their bus without carrying out an evaluation. On completing the evaluation he informs he was told that he must carry out a mock test, that this would assist him in familiarising himself with the test procedure. He considered this unnecessary but was told that in order to use the bus for his test, he would have to do the mock test. Following the test and associated cost, he was told that he had failed, with sixteen marks against him. The method of marking is as that of the RSA ADI part two test, with marks noted for points where the standards were not achieved. There are allowed four points before a fail. Sixteen points was a resounding fail and Simon was told that he was not ready and would require an additional 8 lessons, for which the fee would exceed €1000. He was also told that his driving was unsafe. Due to his RoSPA training and bus driving experience he thought this comment unacceptable and contacted another school. Again he carried out an evaluation and was told that his driving was of a very high standard, with no points against him. He used the bus in his official test and passed with only one mark against him, which is of a very high standard. Simon added that a friend had undertaken training with the former of the above schools in response to notices offering “Full Time and Part Time vacancies” and was very unhappy with the standard of service. Simon noted too his frustration at there being no control over motoring schools similar to those of individual instructors. He compared this with the taxi industry, where licences are issued to the operators based on qualifications and operating procedures, additional to the controls on taxi drivers.

In the course of motorcycle training, another experienced and previously trained motorcyclist sought training to become a motorcycle ADI.. His first contact was with a school offering “employed” positions where the training he received was “of poor quality”. He sought further training from another school, the instructor having the same ADI qualification being the only legally recognised qualification in Ireland. In addition this second trainer had extensive RoSPA training and Diploma. The standard of training was “vastly different”. An “attitude” of safety while operating any vehicle is of paramount importance. When this is combined with correct training and practised procedure it is highly impressive. The two trainers had massive variations in style. The former above appeared to to have a need to impress, had no set route or training plan, used no audio device for giving instruction or commentary and at times demonstrated an unsafe attitude. While leading on a motorcycle he removed both hands from the handlebars, thereby removing a vital aspect of motorcycle control. The wrongly apparent acceptability of this action could be detrimental to a less experienced motorcyclist. When queried on this, he dismissed the correct practice as if safety and the real world don't mix or that experience negates the need for safety. The later and possessor of the RoSPA Diploma provided excellent instruction through an audio device similar to that used by testers and provided an example with commentary that emphasised safety. There is no requirement for RoSPA or similar training in order to become an ADI. The standards demonstrated by both the above providers though very disparate were sourced through FAS approved driver training schools.

Often payment is required in advance of lessons and at the time of booking. Where credit card details are provided these details should only be used for the payments being made, details of customers or trainees credit cards should not be retained by service providers. There have been allegations made with supporting documentation where fees have been taken without customers permission. This type of action is fraudulent. In one instance where this was brought to the attention of the provider, they refused based on policy to refund the amount and only offered credit for future training. It has also been reported that a number of instances of apparent credit card fraud in relation to one school were reported to the RSA (Road Safety Authority). No action has been taken and this is in part due to there being little will and less legislation enforceable on these training providers by the RSA.

To the reader, whether your intention is to seek employment, seek training or learn to drive, you should examine in detail your chosen training providers. While the RSA ADI scheme is an excellent improvement, it remains imperfect. It ensures minimal standards, which of course are better than no standards. Query the instructors qualifications, ADI qualifications alone may not provide the best training. Quality statements are only sufficient if they reflect real attitudes. Query the instructors attitudes. If, as with many, your intention is to become employed, query the full basis of any adds, whether offering employment or franchise opportunities. Many have become ADI qualified at great expense in order to become employed only to find at best insufficient opportunities.

Related Link: http://www.jobs.ie/ApplyForJob.aspx?Id=1271335
author by Jim O'Hagan - Fair Practicepublication date Wed Jun 26, 2013 16:04Report this post to the editors


Let's look at the quote and link from the previous most detailed posting:-

'Many have become ADI qualified at great expense in order to become employed only to find at best insufficient opportunities'.

Related Link: http://www.jobs.ie/ApplyForJob.aspx?Id=1271335

People need answers from Noel Brett, Chief Executive of the RSA.

Reading the foregoing postings, I too know that many complaints went to Noel Brett down the years. The reply was auto - the usual I will look into the matter and End of Story.

My son Liam, who now lives in Australia paid £5,000 up front. He completed the advanced course specified number of lessons; he too was promised a job at the end of the contract and he was DUPED. We have sent over 12 emails to Noel Brett and we even wrote to Gay Byrne. Nothing.

Maybe something may happen now thanks to Damion Graham and Indymedia.

Jim O'Hagan

author by Martinpublication date Thu Jul 04, 2013 16:38Report this post to the editors

Just came across this website, never new it existed! Here's my story... In March 2007 I came across this same advertisement which was advertising instructor driving jobs (think was in the Evening Herald). I phoned up and was told "there was loads of instructor jobs" but I needed to be assessed. I had no problem with this as with most jobs people have to be assessed for their suitablility etc. I met an instructor at Airport School of Motoring who had me driving around a block for no more than 40 minutes. He said I was suitable for the position and brought me back into their office. I was then booked in for more driving practise as my driving needed improving. And more bookings, and more bookings. I don't know how I fell for this as I had spend almost €2000 before I passed my adi stage 1 exams. I continued training into stage 2 and spent almost €1000 more. I passed stage 2 on my second attempt. Then I forked out another €2000 or so for lessons on teaching ability to prepare me for stage 3. All the time I was reassured by my instructors that there was a job waiting for me pending a short interview upon passing the adi exams - this is the only reason why I kept forking out this money. I passed my stage 3 exam on the 1st attempt. By now I had spend over €5000 on training with airport motoring school and almost €1000 to the RSA for exams and registration.
Now for the scam bit. I was expecting to hear from the manager to be interviewed for the instructor job, I waited over two weeks. I was told by the girl (Lisa I think her name was) that the manager Tom Murphy would phone me. So I decided to phone them. They called me in for an interview and told me I'd be put on a "panel for a job". Again I didn't hear anything and I phoned them a month later. And that's when I realised the whole thing was a scam. What a fool I was!
I had posted a comment of this nature on boards.ie at that time. I complained to Michael Dolan in the RSA, apparently he's head of the ADI's. I was fobbed off by him - he said "it wasn't a matter for the RSA". What a load of xxxxx. Don't they control the industry???
I have regulary seen these ads STILL in the newspapers - I can't believe that this crowd are STILL advertising that they have driving instructor jobs and I can't believe more that THEY'RE STILL GETTING AWAY WITH IT. Someone should do something.
Anyway, I've healed my wounds now but paying €6000 for a so-called job is something I regret....

author by seamuspublication date Thu Jul 04, 2013 16:46Report this post to the editors

I've been reading through all the stories,and im shocked that an ''official body'' can carry on like this,they are expected to act responsibly and not misrepresent information or outright lie to people about eventual job prospects.

You really need to contact a lawyer(a no win no fee will suffice after the amount they screwed you for).
There really needs to be more pressure put on these scammers..

Can you contact a local newspaper about this,it seems to be a newsworthy story..

author by Seamus Cullenpublication date Thu Jul 04, 2013 21:32Report this post to the editors

My story is very simple and very lucky compared to most of the previous contributors. I particularly enjoyed Stewart Carolan's excellently written piece.
Similar to many thousands of other unfortunates, I lost my job through this recession in Nov 2009. Then in Dec 2009 I also saw an ad from Airport School of Motoring citing urgent need for driving instructors. With many years Artic driving experience including 6 years European driving and many years working as a Transport manager behind me, I more than fancied my chances at becoming an ADI for trucks and coaches.
I went to Airports office to inquire further about the position and was told I'd have to take an assessment. I readily agreed to this as it seemed logical. I went for a one hour drive with one of their ADI's. We returned to the office where he informed the manager that my driving was of a high standard and that I would be very suitable. I was then asked for €100. I objected to this as I had not been told in advance that there was any charge and that they were the ones advertising the position. I had merely answered there ad. They still insisted on being paid. Luckily I had €100 in my wallet, which I took out and showed to the "gentleman". I told him to take a good look at it as it was the last €100 they would ever see from me. I handed it over and walked out the door. I had no idea at the time just how lucky an escape I had just had.
I have subsequently qualified as an ADI for trucks and coaches with Irish School of Motoring and I have been fortunate enough to have also found employment with them. I have not found any of the sharp practices engaged in by Airport and it is a very pleasant place to work. I also qualified to deliver the driver CPC's and this is also done with ISM.
During my time with ISM, I have frequently come across horror stories from other poor misfortunates who have been scammed by Airport.

It is simply not good enough that the RSA wash their hands of this. They should be the regulatory body and enforce a code of good conduct.
As with so many other aspects of the Irish transport industry it suffers greatly from lack of enforcement.

Seamus Cullen.

Related Link: http://www.indymedia.ie/article/103801
author by Aidan Healy - What's going on at the Airport School of Motoring?publication date Fri Jul 05, 2013 15:16Report this post to the editors

I am another casualty of the advertisement in the Evening Herald in relation to the above Airport School of Motoring. I have also written to Noel Brett and got nothing back after 7 letters and numerous emails. I handed over £6,000 and completed my ADI lessons and was informed I would be employed in a month - this enticement may explain the close link with FAS. This was five years ago. I believe this Airport crowd were mentioned in the Dail last Tuesday by Clare Daly TD. Leo Varadkar said he would send the queries to Noel Brett, RSA.

We shall all wait and see!

Aidan

author by garypublication date Fri Jul 05, 2013 15:44Report this post to the editors

Get on the radio to joe duffy about this,newspapers the lot,and you all need to group together to get a no win no fee lawyer on the case in order to get to the bottom of this scam - and also to prevent it from happening in the future to other people like yourselves..

author by Gorge - What is wrong at the Airport School of Motoringpublication date Sat Jul 06, 2013 16:03Report this post to the editors

Gary. Thanks for the encouragement especially this week as the Whistleblower protection bill is being debated.

I am another casualty of the infamous advertisement relating to the above school. I must remain anonymous but I will outline the details.

I gave my life savings in the amount of 2,000 euros but unlike the other posters I went to work for the Airport School of Motoring after a short period taking lessons, paying for them, and waiting to do the test. Then they asked me to give lessons but the truth is I was not qualified to do the driving instructor lessons but they informed me that I could do them as long as I worked for them because each of their instructors were entitled to have two trainees registered to them. They said that as a trainee (even though I did not have the qualifications but they held I was close to the standard required). What happened to me is that I never did get registered and the reason was simple, they kept on telling me I needed more training, to be followed by another test and they docked the costs from my wages. I had used up my savings so I was in catch 22. I had to agree with their offer, act as a trainee and work for them, while receiving training; I was training others, and my wages paid a proportion of my training costs. Eventually I dis-engaged when I independently got a job as a van driver.

It is difficult for me to explain and I have asked someone to translate for me. Indymedia is right to report on this advertisement. How can they guarantee a job to each person they train?

Gorge

author by garypublication date Sun Jul 07, 2013 15:58Report this post to the editors

Gorge these people need to be outed on mainstream media for the nation to know about this scam.

Not only that but you could prevent some poor sod from having this be his/her fate in the future.

Get on to your local newspaper,ring all the radio stations and see what happens.

Best of luck with it.

author by Walter Gritty - Conscience Partypublication date Tue Jul 09, 2013 11:47Report this post to the editors

This particular school of motoring have been hosted on more radio shows and nothing has happened Gary. My own experience is similar to the other postings on this site. My eldest son Conor, spent 4,000 euros on advanced lessons, having answered the same Evening Herald advert and after completing his course of lessons, which I have to say were quite professional, he was promised a job and that is now five years ago. I have written several times to Noel Brett and received no response. You suggest Joe Duffy and Pat Kenny and the rest - not a hope. Don't forget our main media now is compromised by vested interests led by Denis O'Brien, a tax exile along with the rest of the breed of Mr Tax Exiles. Don't forget Gary, Gay Byrne gave Duffy the job in RTE and some years ago the same Gaybo cut the ribbon for a new office at the school of motoring referred to on this site. Cronyism is alive and well in every section of Irish society.

This is why we need Indymedia Ireland to continue the fight of people who can't get a fair hearing from the press who in my opinion don't have any freedom and are basically bought and paid for.

Walter Gritty

author by JoeMcpublication date Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:53author email joemcivor at gmail dot comReport this post to the editors

Well said Walter. It's no use telling victims of scams to "go to the media" , if the mainstream media is part of the overall scam .

From the original post by Damion Gerhan :
"The advert stated clearly that lessons for advanced drivers would result in you being qualified as a driving instructor and in addition you would have your own ADI personal registration number and you would also be in compliance with the Road Safety Authority. This is now five years on. I have written to Noel Brett and complained in relation to how this job was advertised by this school of motoring. I can safely say I have written at least 35 emails and yet have received no reply. It might sound bizarre but the same advert which I applied to in 2008 still appears on Irish newspapers on a weekly basis."

Asking the mainstream media to choose between loyalty to its advertisers and loyalty to its readership is asking too much of them .There is a divided loyalty at the corporate media . On one side you have journalists etc (hopefully) working to get the truth out , at the other end the need for money from advertisers . At the end of the day, don't expect the corporate media to propagandize for any agenda other than the corporate one.

Indymedia was set up to allow the independent publication of stories such as this one. Better advice than "go the Herald" would be " keep a careful log of emails and telephone conversations with the Airport School of Motoring , Noel Brett, and the Herald and post a link to the record here on indymedia ireland ". It is still important to contact the people who run the corporate media in cases such as this - so as to register the fact that you have identified and attempted to notify them about the scams they are conniving in . Make indymedia ireland a site of record .

author by Alexpublication date Wed Jul 10, 2013 00:01Report this post to the editors

I have my own experience with Airport Driving School, were I have trained for a period of 14 months and obtained my driving licence for buses trucks and artic trucks. After I got qualified as ADI in categories B C D EC. Hoping to get a job as a driving instructor in HGV.
I trusted them and accepted to do any necessary courses and always was encouraged and told by the school manager himself that they are very busy and need driving instructors. If I will get qualified as ADI in all categories I will become a valuable instructor for the school.
When I passed the last test and got registered with the road safety authority, same person told me that I have to improve my skills dramatically, hoping to sell me additional courses, after already having received training worth over €14,000.
I was very disappointed when I realised that everything was just to sell the courses and from the start they never intended to give me a job. It was false advertisement that they had vacancies and pretended to be busy.
I wish to worn everyone that this scam still goes on. I have many more proofs that this school is all about targeting people’s wallets.

author by Tomaspublication date Wed Jul 10, 2013 17:10Report this post to the editors

A friend of mine came across this website and all the comments about Airport Driving School. Mine is a worst story than all the above ones. Two years ago I saw an advert on a jobs website advertising for driving instructors. (before I go on with my story I want to say that these bloody job offers are still there and I have seen them recently in the "situations vacant" section in the newspapers. OK, I'm sorry about the language but these stories still make my blood boil). I went for an interview which they made me pay for and then they booked me on ADI training because I needed to qualify to be a RSA Instructor before I could work for them. I passed my interview and a man who called himself "Mr Murphy" promised that I'd get a job when I finished my adi instructor training and passed the exams.
I had spent almost 1000€ now which was all I had in my bank account. Actually I hadn't even passed my Part 1 ADI exam at this stage. They kept telling me I'd have a job at the end so I decided to dip into my wife's joint bank account to continue. To cut a long story short I took out 4000€ all because I was being led into this - the instructor kept pushing me to do more lessons and each time I spoke to Mr Murphy he kept mentioning the job. I ended up spending over 5000€. When I passed all three exams I then paid to register myself with the RSA. Then I contacted Airport Driving School, asked for Mr Murphy and was told "he wasn't dealing with the jobs anymore" - his replacement was now Damien Conroy. Damien now interviewed me twice over a three week period (he didn't contact me after the first interview and when I phoned him he asked me to come back into him again). And here I am three years later still waiting on him to get back to me!!!
Anyway, I contacted the RSA ADI department who said it was nothing to do with them and it was up to the Advertising Standards Agency. I contacted the Advertising Standards Agency, spoke to a nice girl who told me there were lots of complaints gone into them over the years but nothing was done! Last year this all came back to me (I decided to put it all out of my mind as I felt like a complete idiot at the time) so I contacted the RSA again and asked to speak to someone relevant. I then wrote a letter to Mr Michael Dolan in the RSA who didn't even reply to me!!! Jesus I think someone was out to get me :(
What a fucken disgrace the whole thing I know now the whole thing is a complete scam. I see tons of stuff on BOARDS.ie. I think there must be hundreds of people out there who have been conned like me. Have Airport Driving School had any legal action against them? I don't have he money to get a solicitor to take this on on my behalf but maybe everyone needs to get together to drag this shower of bastards through the courts. They would deserve anything they got.
I agree with the other emailers. This fucken country is a disgrace. Noel Brett is head of the organisation that I was conned into spending all my savings into qualify as an ADI for. He is the one letting all this stuff carry on within his industry. This man deserves respect for reducing road deaths but he obviously doesn't give a monkeys about anything else.
Now for the worst bit. I still have no job. I spent all mine and my wives savings all because Airport Driving School told me I'd definitely have a job if I trained and qualified. Because of my money worries now my wife and me are having difficulties and been arguing alot - it's only a matter of time before we split up. Indirectly Airport Driving School have ruined my marriage!!!
I will keep a watch on this site for anyone who wants to tackle them legally - I can show receipts and stand by all my comments.
Tom

author by Observer - Fas transition to Solas & Airport School of Motoringpublication date Fri Jul 12, 2013 15:05Report this post to the editors

(Where is Noel Brett - RSA ie Road Safety Authority)

Reading the above postings I agree with Walter, Tomas, Joe Mc - people urgently need to know what is going on here. Last night, an employee of the Road Safety Authority informed me that off the record there are approximately (and who really knows!) 500 people stung here. Monies in the region of 2,000 euros to 14,000 euros have been paid over by people and semi-states like FAS. This goes into millions.

Again, nobody seems to be able to stop this advertisement. Why? Murky waters perhaps.

Observer

author by Corkonian - Concernedpublication date Sun Jul 14, 2013 15:17Report this post to the editors

Reading Indymedia and writing on this site for the first time I am delighted to have a platform to voice my concerns re above.

My nephew was out of work 3 years ago, he spent 4,500 e. on ADI lessons. Like all the other writers he too was promised a job at the end of the training period.

Nothing.

I have a connection which I am going to hand over to the proper people this
week in relation to FAS in this scandal.

We need to attack this wrongdoing urgently.

Thanks to those who raised this scandal and to Indymedia. People need a voice to reveal such scams.

Corkonian

author by Disgruntledpublication date Mon Jul 15, 2013 23:22Report this post to the editors

http://www.irishbikerforum.com/forums/index.php/topic/9...scam/ - People can add this to boards.ie and indymedia. How much more has to go on before something is done about them?

author by Josephpublication date Thu Jul 18, 2013 10:52Report this post to the editors

Walking past a cross road junction, a small truck honking hooter approaches a stop sign. It appears that the honking hooter affords more rights than he stop sign dictates. The driver guides the truck around a corner without stopping. Valetta, they yield to pedestrians and wave people on but other cars, other road users are in more danger. It's not that the walkers are not in danger, it's that they are courteous in their disregard. Malta has a very high accident rate when compared with most European countries. Ireland is doing well and it is in part due to education. The educators though are not controlled as is evident from the posts. The disregard that is given to Irish people is great in motoring but any dangerous disregard has been transferred to the educators. It appears that the Irish must protest in some manner but when that impacts on innocent public it is clearly wrong.

Ireland is doing a good job, but like many industries the driving education deserves the same levels of control. Schools should be registered and subject to a code of conduct all their own. The published code of conduct for instructors remains voluntary. This needs to improved.

author by Interested ADIpublication date Tue Jul 23, 2013 22:10Report this post to the editors

Read all posts with great interest. Personally I haven't gotten stung by this company but I did train and qualify as a driving instructor, and working in the industry for almost five years. Business isn't bad at all, I am self-employed and if I say myself, I am good at my job and get plenty of recommendations that keep me busy.
I know all about this scam and in this industry, its common knowledge. Instructors are fed up with hearing these desperate stories, its going on for years and years. It doesn't personally bother me or effect my business too much, but for those who have a shred of decency, one would have to ask HOW THE HELL CAN THEY BE GETTING AWAY WITH THIS! It's seems like nobody can do much about it, or probably more like it, nobody cares too much to do anything about it.
Only today, I saw an advert in Done Deal advertising jobs for driving instructors from Airprt driving school. TODAY! And with all those people scouring the internet posting their stories about not getting the jobs they were promised from airport driving school after having paying lots of money for the training. . Well it's a disgrace that this can still happen.
I agree with a previous post that people have to group together and tackle this outrageous dishonest practise. Can anyone suggest what to do? RTE Radio 1 Joe Duffy show did expose a scam from airport driving school a year or so ago which was talk about the test centres at that time. Maybe the media need to grab hold of this again? We do not need people in this industry who were promised jobs and don't get these jobs..

From an ADI

author by Bailey's - Social Justicepublication date Wed Jul 24, 2013 15:52Report this post to the editors

Interested ADI.

A morally bankrupt country needs people like you to share their experience. Good to hear the training worked out well for you and you have retained that sense of integrity.

I know little about Airport School of Motoring and have thought less about people who drive the buses, the taxis, the trucks, until recently. Of course people must be trained and now appears that it is a really lucrative business for the trainers ie Airport School of motoring and many others.

There is a common denominator surely.

A teacher from the wilds of Cavan was telling me about the multi-cultural aspect of schooling in Cavan these days and that two children in her class told her that their dads (origin) Africans were bus drivers in Dublin. Add to this the taxi ranks in our city of Dublin and the number of foreign taxi drivers we must ask how do they prepare for the careers in the transport business?

FAS run the training courses surely or if not the training must some way be connected with training people who are unemployed for work and this now incorporates the multi-cultural Ireland of today. There is a shift to Solus due in the next few months but outstanding discrepancies have to be cleared up before the transition.

Interested ADI. Did you start via a FAS programme and if so how does it work and who pays?

Baileys

author by Interested ADI - -publication date Sat Jul 27, 2013 11:32Report this post to the editors

Hi Baileys

No, I funded my own training to become an ADI. I was one of the smart ones who researched the industry properly - my eyes were wide open to the scam from Airport. Actually, at the time I did see one of those adverts from them advertising jobs and di phone them. The girl that answered was only interested in my credit card number so I detected a problem from that moment. Also I had asked the very simple question: "How much is the training course"? She couldn't answer this...

I then contacted another school of motoring who were very clear and precise about their fees and conditions etc. They accepted three payments over the course of my training, the training was excellent and the course did what it said on the tin. They did enquire whether I wanted a franchise from them, I met them and again they gave me precise terms and conditions. It was tempting but I decided to go alone as I had another job and thought I'd built the business up slowly. And as I said things are going well.

Getting back to the Airport Driving School. REading all the posts here and particularily on Boards, I can't believe that this is going on. From what I know even FAS are paying Airprt Driving School for their clients to become driving instructors to get "a job". Here's how I sum it up:
The Government (FAS and DSP) are giving this company money because they think there's jobs for driving instructors.On top of this poor unfortunate people are spending their life savings because they're spoofed into thinking there's a job. People aren't getting the jobs cause there's none. Numerous people are complaining to the Government (Advertising Standards Authority, Dermot Jewel in the Consumer Association etc etc) who aren't doing a thing about it. The people to approve the industry in the Goverment (RSA) aren't doing anything to stop this when clearly they have plenty of complaint letters sent to them over the years. Meanwhile the newpapers and websites are still taking the ads in for these "jobs" cause they're being paid - obviously they don't care either. I know that the market is now flooded with driving instructors and I beleive this is directly resulting from this scam. So it's only a matter of time before the industry becomes like the taxi industry. And who sould we blame? In my view Noel Brett is responsible along with Michael Dolan.

Anyway, I have a lesson starting in half an hour, must go while I still have lessons to give.

author by Peter Jennings - Airport School of Motoringpublication date Tue Aug 06, 2013 15:43Report this post to the editors

Interested ADI

Your summation merits urgent attention.

This SCAM goes on.

The Airport School continues to place advertisements in a number of newspapers. What does it take to stop this scam.

Sources say there could be hundreds of victims here and figures could add to millions over a decade.

This must be fully investigated by Noel Brett and Leo Varadkar, Minister.

Peter Jennings (victim to the tune of 8,000 euros)

author by Gale Vogel - Birds Eye Viewpublication date Thu Aug 22, 2013 23:48Report this post to the editors

There is in these posts and with investigation the appearance that a high proportion of the income derived from the motoring school industry is derived from training the trainers. The cost of this training is higher than is the cost of normal driving lessons. It is therefore a more attractive option. The promise of work or the promise of the possibility of work is used to entice the vulnerable in society. A brief examination of the possible incomes derived from driving instruction can explain the unethical attraction of selling a dream, and in return yielding a high income.

€16 per hour has been offered by one school! Actually, not offered in a true sense but mentioned following weeks of training and extensive investment. This by a 'school' mentioned in the posts. Another provider offers franchise opportunities, in return referrals are made through a central base. There is private enterprise, the lonely sole trader seeking through self marketing to compete with the higher fliers. The cost of marketing, of insurance, of fuel taken from the average of about €30 per hour for lessons yields an income not greatly above the minimum wage. Yet another provider offers referrals to sole instructors on a commission basis, this appears a reasonable. The particular referral school takes no payment other than when instructors work. The results are an income of about €16 to €18 per hour for actual lessons provided. These are the options. Take into consideration the requirements of providing EDT (Essential Driver Training). Each lesson has to be logged on line, log books need to be completed, reference to completed lessons is required by some schools to be recorded. These requirements take time, for those instructors who feel conscientious enough to provide a full hour lesson to students, the actual time in total can add a further fifteen minutes. The result is one hour and fifteen minutes for €16 to €18. Another considerations is that students generally expect the instructor to travel to them, which is not unreasonable as students are not permitted to drive unaccompanied. This also takes time, perhaps half an hour between lessons. The requirement of EDT training is that before a subsequent lesson can be taken, the previous must be completed and it is advised that between each lesson students are advised to practice. This is often a vital part of the training. Therefore it is also often not possible to provide two hours of training, each EDT lesson should take about one hour. So! One hour lesson, fifteen minutes of bureaucracy, half an hour between lesson, a total of one hour and forty five minutes for €16 to €18 or about €10 per hour. Calculate vehicle maintenance, insurance, tax, fuel and deduct this from the income. It has all the appearance of an underpaid service.

Essentially, anyone thinking of embarking on providing driving lessons should examine the options. They should not assume there to be employed positions, they should not assume that a franchise will yield a reasonable income, they should examine all options by contacting 'schools' and choose based on a cost and return basis. Look at the adds, ISM, Airport, RSA Driving School, and so on and make an informed decisions. With the correct and fully informed decisions, one can live, just! Be careful about believing the sales pitch. The improvements in road safety that can be directly attributed to the EDT system makes the services provided by instructors amongst the best value services on offer in Ireland. It is a highly valuable if underpaid service.

author by KCpublication date Sun Jan 19, 2014 19:45Report this post to the editors

I had a very negative experience with Airport Driving School. I contacted and reported them to RSA and was told they were being investigated. I also contacted the Joe Duffy Show. They would not air my comments as they said they were inundated complaints about this particular school and had previously been threatened for legal action by the school when previously aired comments. As far as I'm aware they're still getting away with scamming people. Please read my experience below.

Dear Joe,

I would like to bring to your attention about a particular driving school in Dublin "Airport Driving School". It is beyond my control that I have to cancel my driving test tomorrow for the 11.55am appointment at Rathgar Testing Centre in Dublin.

I want to take my test and feel I'm ready as I already hold a full American drivers license. I believe that their driving school is a complete farce and a money making scheme.

When enquiring about lessons I was advised by Airport Driving School that it was 57 euro per lesson, when I reacted to the costly quote I was informed that they were different to other driving schools and that their lessons were very informative and you may only have to take 1 or 2 lessons. They also informed me that when taking my test if I failed that they would actually pay the fee to resit the test.

Upon taking a lesson I looked at my bank account and I had been charged 114 euros. I rang the school and was informed that it was minimum 2 hour class but this was never explained when I went to book a lesson. Given my reaction of the 57 euro quote this was something that they were very selective in their information.

I had 6 lessons at 114 euros a lesson over an 8 week period. When I had received notification of my driving test they said it was their policy that I do a mock driving test at 57 euros. They failed me on the mock driving test on Saturday 17th of Novemember. They suggested I do 6 more lessons at 114 euros a lesson. I said I wouldn't be able to afford this cost and I was working in Belfast for the week. They informed me that it was mandatory that I do a lesson before the actual day of the test at 114 euros and kept pushing me to take additional lessons. I informed them that I wouldn't be in Dublin till the Sunday and I could perhaps fit in 1 lesson (which would be 2 including the lesson before my test on Monday 26th November). They then informed me the charge for use of the car would be an additional 114 euros, at this stage I decided that their costs were scandalous and told the instructor Paul that I would only do the lesson on the Monday 26th November before my driving test.

I also confirmed this by text with Paul the instructor on Saturday 17th November that their costs were scandalous and that I would see him at 10am on Monday 26th.

On Friday 23rd of November I got a text from Paul the driving instructor of Airport Driving School asking was I going to take any more lessons. I replied by text that I had already confirmed this by text and no I wouldn't be taking any more lessons - only the mandatory lesson they requested before my driving test on Monday 26th of November.

I decided to call the Instructor and he informed me that as I hadn't taken any more lessons that Airport Driving School would not give me the use of their car for my test. I was absolutely outraged and upset. I asked why 2 days before my test was he telling me this and that it was confirmed on Saturday 17th November and why if they weren't going to give me use of the car did he not inform me before this. His reply was "I thought you might change your mind".

I immediately rang RSA and spoke with Gillian and she advised me to contact the Ombudsman and to also call the Manager of Airport Driving School. At this late stage it was impossible to get another Driving School who were willing to give use of their car before my test on Monday morning.

Upon her advise I called and spoke with the manager Damien Conroy of Airport Driving School. He informed me that he couldn't comment on the booking that was made of Saturday 17th November and to put money aside and concentrate on finding a solution of me taking more lessons at Airport Driving School in order to pass my test.
Again I was outraged by the attitude of this Driving School, it doesn't appear to register that I've already paid this Driving School 117 euros x 6 lessons plus an 57 euro charge for a mock exam and the RSA payment of 85 euro. 2 days before my test was not the time to be telling me that I wouldn't be able to avail of the car for my test. It was totally unprofessional and I plan to have the authorities to make a full investigation of this school and their costs.

I will be contacting the Ombudsman and I will be taking this case further if necessary. I believe that I have being penalised by not taking additional lessons with this school and was given 2 days notice in which they informed me that I couldn't use their car for my test.

author by Dave - None publication date Thu Jan 30, 2014 13:37Report this post to the editors

After reading this blog it makes me feel sick .I read every day of the week about young and old people getting either killed or seriously injured on our roads .What the hell is going on with our driving instruction .Schools scamming trainee instructors people driving on provisional licences.People still driving after failing a driving test .Something has to happen and soon .29 motorcycle riders killed last year ? countless families without loved ones .
I want to take up training motorcyclists and am i glad that i saw this blog .I was going to signup to this crowd to undergo motor cycle instructor training .
This outfit should be closed down and now not later .
I feel very sorry for the people who have lost their hard earned cash .But i feel even more sorry for the people that have lost family members on our roads .The Guards should take action against this sort of company .If i write a cheque and it bounces i could be prosecuted for fraud .What about the fraud that this company is committing ?
Can anyone suggest a reputable company to complete this training with ?

author by joedpublication date Fri Feb 21, 2014 22:57Report this post to the editors

Hi all,

just yesterday I was told that they WONT LEND ME THEIR CAR FOR FINAL EXAM, reason; your driving is not good enough (after more then 25+ hours), and you have to pay for another 10+ lessons!!! I called up RSA and cancelled my test date, lost my fee, and also I basically lost all my money I paid for lessons with them. PASS your TEST GUARANTEE is just FALSE ADVERTINSING rip off!! They just take take take. And make you feel like a total looser. I already booked with other Instructor in different school, and had an assessment made, and he said am grand driver. I have no nerves or more cash for Airport Driving School. Steer CLEAR!

author by J - Driving Schoolspublication date Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:21Report this post to the editors

I would reccomend anyone starting to take lessons to go to the smaller independent schools., they have more time for you. AVOID Irish School of Motoring & Airport Driving School they just want to drag lessons out further to increase profits for themseves.
Another scam going on now is that ISM have branched out as a recruitment agency for transport driver's, where having applied for jobs advertised you must then complete a driving assessment through ISM at a cost of 120 euro, I did this few weeks ago and passed, I had then to go for a second assessment with the actual company, only then I found out that the job was only 1 day a week possibly 2 'if your lucky' after been led to believe from ISM that there would be regular full weeks work available.

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