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Fergal Quinn Urges Use Of Anti-Terrorist Software To Monitor Welfare Claimants

category international | rights, freedoms and repression | other press author Friday April 27, 2012 12:02author by pat c Report this post to the editors

That money grubbing clown Senator Fergal Quinn now wants to use anti terrorist methods to monitor welfare claimants.The software would look for words like holiday or new car. This is the same crook who set up a separate company to get around hello money legislation. Full text at link.

Senator Feargall Quinn moments ago in the Seanad has suggested that the Government consider monitoring the use of the internet by social welfare recipients to detect instances of fraud. Keywords such as "holiday" and "new car" could indicate instances of fraud, according to Senator Quinn.

Quinn, speaking during the Second Stage of the Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2012 in the Seanad, suggested the Government consider a system used in the Netherlands which uses counter-terrorism software to detect keywords used by recipients of social welfare

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author by Milestogopublication date Sat Apr 28, 2012 18:17Report this post to the editors

It is becoming apparent that those who were derided as "paranoid nut cases,tin foil hatters,etc" appear to have been correct.
Allied to facial scanning and mandatory vehicle tracking devices,your every movement is logged.
Whilst the new water meters can monitor your home.

I as an older poster with a guilty conscience,feel uncomfortable.
I used to enjoy my freedom to travel with out being traced.
Hop in a car and drive to Inishowen,that is gone.

But I do not feel any safer,or that I am being protected by the state from danger.
Maybe,it is just me.

author by larapublication date Sat Apr 28, 2012 18:58Report this post to the editors

It would be a good idea to use the most effective measures to identify both tax evasion and welfare fraud. I'm all for using this software against both category of villian. Both undermine the social solidarity needed to get us through these tough times. Neither form of abuse is any more or less mendacious than the other.

author by leftypublication date Sun Apr 29, 2012 11:24Report this post to the editors

"Whilst the new water meters can monitor your home."

If you think that's intrusive, you should check out what the latest wifi enabled electricity metering tech can do.

regarding "corporate welfare" recipients being spied on too? get real, its only poor people whose democratic rights get treated in this shabby way by the state. The real "corporate welfare" recipients, financial terrorists and for that matter our dodgy government ministers will continue to be very secretive.

tax loopholes are "corporate welfare". Building extra roads / business parks to help attract a new supermarket? That's "corporate welfare" too. 12.5% tax rate on US business laundering their profits through Ireland using the double Irish etc? That's "corporate welfare". Anglo Irish bank light touch regulation, followed by paying their gambler investors property bubble speculation debts? "corporate welfare". Cleaning up after environmental pollution by a factory/mine? "corporate welfare". Policing shell's stealing of our gas? "corporate welfare".There's certainly a lot of it about.

Lets start calling it what it is and stop seeing "welfare" recipients in the simplified nasty way the media portray them and instead start to complain proportionally about the other "welfare" recipients. I think you'll find that the less than 1% fraud in the social welfare system figure pales into insignificance beside the rampant greed and waste in the "corporate welfare" system!

author by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite partypublication date Sun Apr 29, 2012 12:11Report this post to the editors

..consider this.

The privatisation of telecoms after taxpayer(worker)investment for half a century and the O'Brien(tax-exile, i.e. absentee airlord)media phone-in pseuo-democracy; where you pay for the illusion your opinion gets consideration. The new electric confession-box.

Aint that a private tax on 'democratic debate'?And all siphoned offshore. economy?They get the smarties..we're left smarting.

author by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite partypublication date Sun Apr 29, 2012 12:39Report this post to the editors

'Neither form of abuse is more or less mendacious than the other.'????

Except that the Quinns of this world need monitoring because they have oligopolised public resources, media and representatives into a secretive cabal of gluttonous insatiability....whereas the average social welfare recipient has no choice and lives in economic terror of illness or the next fucking bill.

Think that one through again.

There is some excuse for the hungry stealing food....there is no excuse for fat fuckers like this dictating to criminalised poverty from the top of their food mountains as one in five Irish kids hits the bed hungry every night(NUIG/WHO report from the Health Promotion Centre).

Your moral egalitarianism is posited on a false premise. That all have enough to get by, and that access to resources (including decent employment)is open to all.

author by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite partypublication date Sun Apr 29, 2012 13:10Report this post to the editors

..the expanding criminalisation of poverty we will slide apparently to the terrroristification of the poor...thus saving money on judicial process...

Efficiency uber alles. Arbeit macht frei. here's Mr Pilgers take

author by ruaripublication date Tue May 01, 2012 11:16Report this post to the editors

Im not suprised the lenghts these muppets go to,and its hardly going to make a difference,when youre on the breadline,youre on the breadline..Its all apparently an effort to get ''tough with the unemployed'',thats why they introduced another state sponsored slave labour quango supplying big rich businesses with free irish workers on the dole all part of the bigger plan..Joan burton is a dopey cow,if half these people were about creating tax payable jobs,why stand out and shake hands with big multinationals giving away free workers?STUPID.

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author by sineadpublication date Tue May 01, 2012 16:23Report this post to the editors

how much is all this spying going to cost the public???? is it really worth it to spy on a few unemployed who rightly recieve their pittance in welfare..whats next get mi5 after us???hes a fucking clown..tell him to watch his own collegues when it comes to fraud..whatever the cost of this new off the wall idea,they wont feel it in their salaries,just recently joan burton stood behind pay rises for her cronies on board..fergal quinn has his head in the clouds what an absolute shite tell him to try live on the dole for a few weeks see how he fares out he will be counting the pennies a lot more i can tell you.someone should tell quinn to live in the real world

author by leftypublication date Tue May 01, 2012 17:15Report this post to the editors

"how much is all this spying going to cost the public??"

Do you honestly think FG care about that? they just gave 3.1 billion of the public's money to unguaranteed investors in a dead bank. How many hospital beds, special needs teachers, christmas bonuses to the less well off does that represent?

author by chasetherealscammerspublication date Mon May 07, 2012 18:10Report this post to the editors

you are entitled to a ten days holiday even on the dole,you have to sign a form at your local welfare office,im doing that this year,will i be looked up?

author by Alpublication date Mon May 07, 2012 19:47Report this post to the editors

"you are entitled to a ten days holiday even on the dole,you have to sign a form at your local welfare office,im doing that this year,will i be looked up?"

A holiday from what?

and yes, if your flying to Oz on the taxpayers money you should be looked at.

author by WelfareNazispublication date Mon May 07, 2012 20:17Report this post to the editors

holiday from what?

perhaps a holiday from your cheap tiny run down flat where nothing works, the bills keep mounting up, the terror of getting really sick, having your teeth rot in your mouth because you can't afford to do anything with them, wearing 2nd hand clothes all the time because you can't afford anything else, living on beans and really cheap crap food from aldi / lidl and staying in watching crap television because its all you can afford and it's always pissing rain outside, and no prospect of a job anytime soon. And signing on in a humiliating queue every week in the post office like a tagged prisoner.

what if you scrimped and saved and went without all year just for one break from that?

corporate welfare is huge but nobody is telling sean fitzpatrick or his ilk when or where they can go on their holidays at our expense. He can come and go as he pleases.

One rule for them, another for the poor.

author by Rational Ecologistpublication date Wed May 09, 2012 11:19Report this post to the editors

People on welfare need help and support and not Big Brother style monitoring. Yes of course there are those on welfare that defruad the system; however, I would say the incidence of that is small and not a huge factor.
Fear is not a good method by which to engender trust. Fear is a control tactic to let people know who is in charge.
Being on welfare and not having access to the means by which to grow food and so on is a recipe for mental, emotional and physical meltdown. Open up NAMA sites to people to grow their own-organic-food. A small investment would yield a multitude of benefits.
But our masters do not have the imagination to restore their people's self worth. All they know is Nature exploitation(humans being part of same).
Give people a positive hand up and see what happens.
Feargal Quinn is just another money man who sees the world as a resource to be exploited. These ignoramuses will push us over the cliff of eco collapse!

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