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Gerry Adams IRA OC Approves Political Internment in British Occupied Ireland

category international | rights, freedoms and repression | news report author Saturday December 24, 2011 04:27author by BrianClarkeNUJ - AllVoices Report this post to the editors

Gerry Adams OC of the Belfast Brigade

Marian Price from her prison cell says, Sinn Fein have approved her political internment without trial. "Sinn Féin might be hypocritical but I'm not. I wasn't having them shedding crocodile tears over my case to appease their grassroots. I'm in Maghaberry because Gerry Adams as OC of the Belfast Brigade sent me to bomb Britain in 1973 when I was 19. But then my memory must be deceiving me. I must have the wrong man because Gerry Adams was never in the IRA."(Gerry Adams is now President of Provisional Sinn Fein in power sharing Government.)
Adams Praying
Adams Praying

Marian Price from her prison cell says, Sinn Fein have approved her political internment without trial. "Sinn Féin might be hypocritical but I'm not. I wasn't having them shedding crocodile tears over my case to appease their grassroots. I'm in Maghaberry because Gerry Adams as OC of the Belfast Brigade sent me to bomb Britain in 1973 when I was 19. But then my memory must be deceiving me. I must have the wrong man because Gerry Adams was never in the IRA."(Gerry Adams is now President of Provisional Sinn Fein in power sharing Government.)

After being force fed 400 times by the British while on 200 days of hunger strike, she subsequently became seriously ill with tuberculosis and anorexia weighing just five stone, Marian was granted a royal pardon. Her lawyer claims the pardon means she could never be returned to jail for her conviction while following Gerry Adams' orders.

The British NIO say it has been "lost" and possibly shredded even though it is matter of public knowledge for years. Her lawyer Peter Corrigan argues she should be freed immediately. "It's very convenient that the only lost document in this case is the pardon. Marian Price has been in solitary seven months. This shouldn't happen in a civilised country. Even those who vehemently oppose my client's politics must realise this amounts to inhuman and degrading treatment. The UN special rapporteur on torture recently called for solitary confinement to be banned in all but 'exceptional circumstances' and for it never to last more than 15 days." Further details at: http://www.causes.com/MarianPrice

Related Link: http://www.causes.com/MarianPrice
author by happy xmaspublication date Sun Dec 25, 2011 02:08author address author phone Report this post to the editors

True to form, the dissidents are always more concerned about Gerry Adams and Sinn Fein than about fighting the British.

author by BrianClarkeNUJ - AllVoicespublication date Sun Dec 25, 2011 04:42author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I am not a Republican dissident, I am an inconvenient truthteller!

Ulster Christmas
Ulster Christmas

Related Link: http://www.causes.com/causes/627113-stop-the-rape-of-marian-price
author by Stephen's Daypublication date Mon Dec 26, 2011 13:56author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Still more concerned with attacking Republicans than doing anything about the British though, whatever you call your self.

author by BrianClarkeNUJ - AllVoicespublication date Mon Dec 26, 2011 15:09author address author phone Report this post to the editors

This Provo song for the Price sister's asked you and other members of Gerry Adam's party not to betray their daughter's or have you forgotten ! It refers to the republican family not Gerry Adams own personal family. Gerry Adam's party was founded on opposing internment, now as part of the British Government of Occupied Ireland, they are partners enforcing the political internment of Marian Price, her comrades and their own betrayed former comrades/ Gerry Adam's party enforces political internment in partnership with the British. Internment 2011 would simply not be possible without the collaboration of the Provisional Sinn Fein leadership.

Caption: Bring Them Home


author by JoeMcivorpublication date Wed Dec 28, 2011 12:35author address author phone Report this post to the editors

What's this about the "rape" of Marian Price? Such hyperbole from Brian Clarke NUJ doesn't add to the enormity of the crime perpertrated against a brave woman. By calling internment rape , Brian Clarke NUJ actually trivializes internment - by implying that it isn't bad enough in itself - and he must surely offend the thousands of women who are raped every year.

author by BrianClarkeNUJ - AllVoicespublication date Wed Dec 28, 2011 12:58author address author phone Report this post to the editors

From Occupied Ireland to Occupied Palestine the use of the word rape be it political rape or sexual rape, creates huge controversy and is quite often political in either case. Sometime ago David LaChapelle's political work the Rape of Africa based on Venus and Mars by Botticelli illustrated this clearly, when Naomi Campbell, represented the objectification of African women, by Western culture as their homes and countries are torn apart like Palestine and Ireland. A story in the Guardian explained with this excerpt: "Campbell was spending the night at Mandela's house, as was Mia Farrow. I reiterate, it is not for humble mortals to query Mandela's social circle. The main thing is, something may have happened that night. Whether it did or not may not ever be fully known. But if it did, the UN-backed special court in The Hague would quite like to know. Our story now fast-forwards almost a decade, and Farrow has just remembered something about that party round at Nelson's. According to her, the next morning Campbell came to her and said that in the middle of the night, some representatives from one Charles Taylor gave her a diamond. "I just thought, 'What an amazing life Naomi has!'" Farrow told ABC News. Doesn't she just. You see, there was a small detail that I omitted about that 1997 slumber party: along with Campbell and Farrow, there was one other house guest – namely Taylor, the former president of Liberia who is on trial in The Hague for atrocities committed in Sierra Leone, including orchestrating the raping, torturing, killing and eating of hundreds of thousands of people." Below are two links related to the word rape concerning Occupied Palestine and Occupied Ireland which caused considerable controversy. Israeli Video "satire" - http://electronicintifada.net/blog/ali-abunimah/when-th...slims STOP THE RAPE OF MARIAN PRICE - http://www.causes.com/MarianPrice

Political Rape
Political Rape

Caption: Israeli "satire"


Related Link: http://www.causes.com/MarianPrice
author by JoeMcpublication date Wed Dec 28, 2011 19:45author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Yes, it's understandable as a metaphor in poetry - John Lennon wrote about Ireland being "raped by the English brigands" for instance . But to apply the word "rape" to what is happening to Marian Price in the headline of a factual journalistic article about her current treatment by the British authorities is inappropriate in my opinion . The fact that she is the only woman in Maghaberry prison undoubtedly makes Marian's treatment all the more cruel , but she is not the only republican to have been interned by the British . Would it be right to use the word "rape" about the detention without trial of Bobby Sands , Fergal Moore or Gerry McGeough ?

author by Not Factualpublication date Thu Dec 29, 2011 18:14author address author phone Report this post to the editors

This is just loopy. Marian Price isn't being raped. None of it has anything to do with Gerry Adams. Get a grip, indymedia.

author by BrianClarkeNUJ - AllVoicespublication date Thu Dec 29, 2011 18:28author address author phone Report this post to the editors

You had one Gerry taking an 19 year old Irish girl to London with another OC ordering her to bomb it, who now collaborate in her political internment without trial.

Caption: "Political Rape" RAPE ! Demo Type for the Censored Ignorant - http://bit.ly/RAPEvideo


Related Link: http://www.causes.com/MarianPrice
author by Redundant Republicanpublication date Thu Dec 29, 2011 22:54author address author phone Report this post to the editors

In my opinion this campaign is not directed at the sinn fein leadership because they are republicans but because they can not be recognised as republicans and have become more unionist/british than our enemies. If that makes sense. There is no such thing as a dissident republican, there are republicans and there are former republicans (sinn fein leadership).

author by Paddy Fields - Surreal Sinn Feinpublication date Mon Jan 02, 2012 01:44author address author phone Report this post to the editors

This is typical dissident phrase mongering. It shows the complete lack of common sense that they would describe this incarceration as a 'rape' Whatever the merits of the case, who in their right minds is going to protest behind a banner with this rape slogan on it?

author by W. Finnertypublication date Mon Jan 02, 2012 10:03author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Allowing for the way the Republic of Ireland Government (Executive, Legislative, and Judicial) seems to just thoughtlessly "copy the mistakes of the driver in front" these days, the signing of the National Defence Authorization Act (NDAA) by US President Obama last Saturday looks (to me at least) like another very worrying sign for us all.

"One of the most extraordinary documents in human history -- the (United States) Bill of Rights -- has come to an end under President Barack Obama. Derived from sacred principles of natural law, the Bill of Rights has come to a sudden and catastrophic end with the President's signing of the National Defence Authorization Act (NDAA), a law that grants the U.S. military the 'legal' right to conduct secret kidnappings of U.S. citizens, followed by indefinite detention, interrogation, torture and even murder. This is all conducted completely outside the protection of law, with no jury, no trial, no legal representation and not even any requirement that the government produce evidence against the accused. It is a system of outright government tyranny against the American people, and it effectively nullifies the Bill of Rights."

The above excerpt has come from the following location:
http://www.naturalnews.com/z034537_NDAA_Bill_of_Rights_....html

Related Link: http://www.humanrightsireland.com/CelticParty/10July2011/Email.htm
author by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite partypublication date Mon Jan 02, 2012 11:37author address author phone Report this post to the editors

...precisely. But patterns do recur. 9/11 looks increasingly like the Reichstag fire. Fasten them safety helmets n belts. Extinguish your cigarettes. Lean forward and put the head between the knees. And kiss yo ass goodbye.

author by BrianClarkeNUJ - AllVoicespublication date Mon Jan 02, 2012 15:53author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I repeat I am a truth teller not a dissident Irish Republican. It seems Political dissident's in China, Iran or Syria are PC but not in Occupied Ireland for the British establishment in Stormont. It would appear that the interned Marian Price is not the only female to incur the wrath of Gerry Adams IRA OC in Belfast, aside from his niece and young women all over Belfast. Is the Belfast Telegraph and Dissident organ of the truth as well ?


http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/n....html

Brit & Provo Political Internment & Solitary Confinement
Brit & Provo Political Internment & Solitary Confinement

Related Link: http://www.causes.com/MarianPrice
author by Contrarianpublication date Mon Jan 02, 2012 15:57author address author phone Report this post to the editors

...didn't have you pegged as a 9/11 conspiracy theorist, opus. THought you were a little more discerning than that. I'm sure Jim Corr would agree with you though.

author by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite partypublication date Mon Jan 02, 2012 16:04author address author phone Report this post to the editors


I didn't think you were so naive as to think the crew running Pentagonia incapable of conspiring...and thought you were more historically literate.

It was never confirmed whether Adolf&Co lit the torch, or simply took the opportunist advantage.

Look before you leap to conclusions.
I was referring to the use of the event, not its origins.

author by BrianClarkeNUJ - AllVoicespublication date Mon Jan 02, 2012 16:16author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Next you will be calling poor Slugger a dissident journalist too:


"Poor Danny and all those like him.


For years you struggle. You may even do you time. But still you believe. You believe in the cause. You self justify all the deaths. The murders. The Hunger strikers. You believe in your leaders. And your colleagues. You help construct the narrative that explains and justifies all this to the masses whom you meet every day.


Then in 2011 it all starts to unwind.


The sex scandals reveal a cancer of abuse at the heart of the movement and the cover ups.


The Boston tapes start to reveal who actually was in the IRA and what they (and others ) did in the most atrocious of crimes that even now its hard to ignore or justify. And that you have all denied for many years.


O’Rawe then exposes that 5 of the Hunger Strikers died in vain and without knowledge of a deal on the Table that might (probably would) have saved them. Their lives were sold for narrow, personal political advantage. The movement denies it. They call him all the usual names. And Darkie too – just a drunk of course.


But then the Brits release the Cabinet papers and, surprise surprise, they show that it was true. They were sold out.


And when you are all still reeling from all that, out of left field comes Smethwick. Totally unexpected. Unforeseen. Almost half the senior members of the Movement were touts, it’s said, and perhaps 30% of the rest as well.


By now, even the thickest, most committed member of SF must be looking around and thinking WTF. All those years of, in effect, colluding with the Brits to wind down the war. All those ‘comrades’ who had other ‘friends’ as well.


ANd now they still go on – though increasingly many of they must be asking ‘why’?


PS isn’t Danny a major player in the “Bobby Sands Trust” set up to eulogise the departed.


Given the recent revelations, was ever an organisation less appropriately named?"

Related Link: http://www.causes.com/MarianPrice
author by Contrarianpublication date Mon Jan 02, 2012 20:49author address author phone Report this post to the editors

This is what you said, opus: "9/11 looks increasingly like the Reichstag fire."

You didn't in your original post qualify this statement in any way. Now you're saying you were really referring to the use of the event rather than its origins. A bit lame, as explanations go, but not impossible, I suppose. Pardon me for not being a mind-reader!

So, as you say: "It was never confirmed whether Adolf&Co lit the torch, or simply took the opportunist advantage." That much we can agree on. I can also agree that the US is capable of orchestrating conspiracies from time to time. Question is were elements of the US Govt or its agencies complicit in the events of 9/11? Your comments quoted above and taken together seem to imply you believe this is at least a pretty open question. So rather than me jumping to conclusions, I will leave it to you to clarify whether or not you believe 9/11 was (or might have been) an inside job.

author by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite partypublication date Mon Jan 02, 2012 21:11author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The scientific method requires all questions are open questions...and we operate as best we can on the preponderance of evidence.

I presume others to follow suit, till evidence indicates otherwise. It make psychological economic sense, to me, subjectively, to so operate.

That also requires I impute positive intentions to others, unless otherwise displayed. As such I question motives, last; and logic and information source first.

I hope that is clearer. Time shortens, economics is too important to leave to the fucking accountants. We are off topic.

author by Contrarianpublication date Mon Jan 02, 2012 23:07author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Off topic, yes, but that's never stopped you before, opus. Clearer, not really. At the risk of jumping to another conclusion, seems like you're deliberately obfuscating to avoid dealing with the issue. It's pretty simple: either 9/11 was an inside job, "false flag" operation, or it was not. Your previous posts, which I've quoted directly, give the impression you think it was. While, technically, it must remain (in strict scientific terms) an open question, it is pretty clear that the overwhelming "preponderance of evidence" leads to the conclusion that 9/11 was what it seems, a jihadist attack on the US. No inside job. No big CIA/Pentagon/NWO/ZOG whatever-you're-having-yourself conspiracy.

Agree?

author by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite partypublication date Tue Jan 03, 2012 07:16author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Both in your willed inability to accept face value, and my suspended estimation.

I have better things to do at present than get caught up in fruitless research and retrospective semantics. Nor does your fixation with my opinion mean I reciprocate.

That is NOT OBFUSCATION; it is an honest admission of my ignorance and lack of concern on the incident.

The ongoing and accelerating crimes of the financial Pentagonian mafiosi shrink it in proportion to the pending escalations.

Now if you wish to continue your predeliction, take it to your conspirators.

author by BrianClarkeNUJ - AllVoicespublication date Tue Jan 03, 2012 08:02author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Can we get back to the topic and away from Brit or Provo dis-info !
Here is a reminder for our former republican brethren of the Rights of Woman and Man, it appears they have forgotten.

Women are born and remain free and equal in rights. Social distinctions may be founded only upon the general good.


The aim of all political association is the preservation of the natural and imprescriptible rights of woman. These rights are liberty, property, security, and resistance to oppression.


The principle of all sovereignty resides essentially in the nation. No body nor individual may exercise any authority which does not proceed directly from the nation.


Liberty consists in the freedom to do everything which injures no one else; hence the exercise of the natural rights of each woman has no limits except those which assure to the other members of the society the enjoyment of the same rights. These limits can only be determined by law.


Law can only prohibit such actions as are hurtful to society. Nothing may be prevented which is not forbidden by law, and no one may be forced to do anything not provided for by law.


Law is the expression of the general will. Every citizen has a right to participate personally, or through his representative, in its foundation. It must be the same for all, whether it protects or punishes. All citizens, being equal in the eyes of the law, are equally eligible to all dignities and to all public positions and occupations, according to their abilities, and without distinction except that of their virtues and talents.


No person shall be accused, arrested, or imprisoned except in the cases and according to the forms prescribed by law. Any one soliciting, transmitting, executing, or causing to be executed, any arbitrary order, shall be punished. But any citizen summoned or arrested in virtue of the law shall submit without delay, as resistance constitutes an offense.


The law shall provide for such punishments only as are strictly and obviously necessary, and no one shall suffer punishment except it be legally inflicted in virtue of a law passed and promulgated before the commission of the offense.


As all persons are held innocent until they shall have been declared guilty, if arrest shall be deemed indispensable, all harshness not essential to the securing of the prisoner's person shall be severely repressed by law.


No one shall be disquieted on account of his opinions, including his religious views, provided their manifestation does not disturb the public order established by law.


The free communication of ideas and opinions is one of the most precious of the rights of man. Every citizen may, accordingly, speak, write, and print with freedom, but shall be responsible for such abuses of this freedom as shall be defined by law.


The security of the rights of woman and of the citizen requires public military forces. These forces are, therefore, established for the good of all and not for the personal advantage of those to whom they shall be entrusted.


A common contribution is essential for the maintenance of the public forces and for the cost of administration. This should be equitably distributed among all the citizens in proportion to their means.


All the citizens have a right to decide, either personally or by their representatives, as to the necessity of the public contribution; to grant this freely; to know to what uses it is put; and to fix the proportion, the mode of assessment and of collection and the duration of the taxes.


Society has the right to require of every public agent an account of his administration.


A society in which the observance of the law is not assured, nor the separation of powers defined, has no constitution at all.


Property being an inviolable and sacred right, no one can be deprived of it, unless demanded by public necessity, legally constituted, explicitly demands it, and under the condition of a just and prior indemnity.

Political Rape of Marian Price by Brits & Provos
Political Rape of Marian Price by Brits & Provos

Related Link: http://www.causes.com/MarianPrice
author by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite partypublication date Tue Jan 03, 2012 08:33author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Have you approached the Rape Crisis Centre with this issue?

author by BrianClarkeNUJ - AllVoicespublication date Tue Jan 03, 2012 09:04author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Apparently the Latin of Opus diablos does not understand the word rapere !

Rapere  Translated for Opus Diablos
Rapere Translated for Opus Diablos

Related Link: http://www.causes.com/MarianPrice
author by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite partypublication date Tue Jan 03, 2012 09:36author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I think i scraped a bare pass in latin in the leavin cert...I'd been expelled (excommunicated)from the class by then for asking what I considered pertinent questions. As I had from the Irish and Religious classes by the predatory CB I'd offended similarly. I later learned he was a serial abuser.

Nor is there a latin word 'rapere' in my Cassell's Compact. But you are posting in English, using the English word( I presume as vernacularly understood) 'rape', not in Latin using rapere or rapax.

If you cannot answer a straight and honest question from someone not inimical to such issues, and who has volunteered intermittently for the mentioned organisation, I'm wondering why you bother posting. Is there an ulterior motive?Just to vent spleen?As a stick to beat your Brit enemies? If so you are guilty of the same exploitation you so vociferously accuse others of.

And is that 'Allvoices' all voices...provided they echo mine? Uno voce?

Feel free to correct my Latin.Or not. I'll presume you haven't contacted the RCC. And suggets you use less melodramatic language if you have a genuine interest in this woman's plight.

author by W. Finnertypublication date Tue Jan 03, 2012 09:37author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"Former CIA officer and historian Phil Giraldi warns in a Dec. 29 (2011) column for antiwar.com that Obama goes further than Bush and Cheney, and like Bush-Cheney, Obama has destroyed the U.S. Constitution in a way that parallels what Hitler and Carl Schmitt did against the Weimar Constitution."

"But for Giraldi, the parallel is Weimar. Like Weimar after the Reichstag Fire, the U.S. has destroyed the Constitution and replaced it with a 'lawless Fuehrer state,' like that provided for Hitler by Carl Schmitt and other leading jurists. Giving a brief summary of some of the crisis powers given to Hitler after the Reichstag Fire, which 'was almost certainly carried out by the Nazis themselves,' Giraldi emphasizes the importance of the 'Enabling Act, which gave [Hitler] the authority to ignore parliament and pass laws by decree.'

The above excerpts are from the following location:
http://www.larouchepac.com/node/21035

Related Link: http://www.humanrightsireland.com/PrimeMinisterCowen/9May2008/Email.htm
author by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite partypublication date Tue Jan 03, 2012 10:03author address author phone Report this post to the editors

That nicely illustrates that legendary 'failure of intelligence'...when it takes a CIA officer till now to see what anyone who watched GW&Co (before they sidled home to the White House via stuffed ballots) realised was a liklihood as we watched the towers burn.

But W, given that so much of the problem stems from the erosion and distortion of language, and its consequences for logical and honest analysis of this spinmeister Newspeak, should we not try to resist the current?

 Rapacity takes many forms, but metaphor should not be deliberately smudged for dramatising effect..if nothing else it lends to dismissal of one's whole case as no more than hype. Not the way to build numbers and grow awareness.

author by BrianClarkeNUJ - AllVoicespublication date Tue Jan 03, 2012 10:26author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Perhaps Diablos you have heard of WB Yeats ?

Or his poem Leda And The Swan as it relates to Ireland ??

The word rape which has a common misconception for many narrow minded religous people. The term rape from the Latin word Rapere, originally had no sexual connotation, and meant “to seize or take by force.” It simply meant to steal. If you stretch your mind just the tiniest you can immediately see its relevance in Anglo Irish political affairs Diablos.

With all of the Provo child rape accusations in Belfast and its political use by the British not just as a weapon of blackmail but raping Ireland for centuries, I believe in the context of Brit/Provo collaboration in the political internment without traal of Marian Price it is a very appropriate word in this context

A Terrible Beauty
A Terrible Beauty

Related Link: http://www.causes.com/MarianPrice
author by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite partypublication date Tue Jan 03, 2012 10:58author address author phone Report this post to the editors


Lets just say I'm familiar enough with him to be aware of his admonition that  '..the worst are full of passionate intensity..'.

But if I misquote, feel free to correct, I try to retain that capacity.

I will be so presumptious as to not ask if you are familiar with the context.

I also hope you will take it in the fashion it is intended, rather than projecting phantasms of animosity.

author by W. Finnertypublication date Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:32author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Opus,

Re: Your comment at Tue Jan 03, 2012 10:03

I would fully agree with you that verbal trickery (of a great many different kinds and forms) plays a major role in the way the bulk of the people are being "led up the garden path" (as I see things) for the past several years now, with regard to a wide range of matters which are crucially important for humanity as a whole: such as government bank-bailouts to pay off the "derivatives" gambling debts of the unbelievably arrogant bankers, and the present warmongering activities taking place in connection with the Middle East situation (for example).

That said though, I do believe that the meaning of the word "rape" (these days) can legitimately include -- and can be applied to -- serious forms of violations and abuse of more or less any kind: as in "the rape of justice" for example; and which is what I very strongly suspect is happening in the case of Marian Price: assuming she is still being held in jail in the manner, and for the reasons, described recently by Eamonn McCann (Journalist).

Related Link: http://www.indymedia.ie/article/101092?&condense_comments=false#comment286643
author by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite partypublication date Tue Jan 03, 2012 12:17author address author phone Report this post to the editors

But i think the way its presented here is tabloid-style sensationalisation...and likely to backfire...I would certainly think there is a serious issue to be addressed...but think the in-your face-delivery will alienate, particularly women who have been raped and would be the first ones to be supportive but might resent the cheapening of the word for political manipulation.

I presume I am entitled to an opinion, and was merely(and dont seem to be the only one) expressing doubts.

Brian's utterly negative reaction when I enquired about the RCC also seems unconstructive...I was being serious, I know a few women would not appreciate this propagandist heightening and spin and would be offended. And these are the very people should be approached for support. I would not presume to raise this issue without at least consulting them for an opinion.

Perhaps i am wrong, but as of yet, I am unconvinced. Perhaps some woman reader might comment. I can accept the use of the word metaphorically, but think the immediate impression is one of literalness. And I think this is misguidedly intentional.

It is intended as constructive criticism and feedback on a highly emotive topic. I also suspect sectarian republican infighting, resentment and bitterness, from the tone...something some of us have been trying to warn the now disillusioned of since the sixties eruptions. But we were 'wrong' then too.
At this stage I have generally retreated from the circular internal squabbles of our 'patriots'..as have many who are not disinterested but dispair of the certitudes Yeats pointed out. The irony is that Brian should presume I am unfamiliar with the man and quote him at me. I should ask in return if he is familiar with Brinsley McNamara's 'Clanking of Chains'.

author by JoeMcpublication date Tue Jan 03, 2012 13:16author address author phone Report this post to the editors

With the term " the rape of justice" it is obvious that the word is being used metaphorically , likewise with the "rape of nanking" etc . ,but somebody reading the headline in the link Brian put up somebody could get the impression that Marian was literally being raped . I don't think that is helping the campaign for her release . As far as I can see feminists have not taken up the case for Marian's release and they should be put under pressure to issue statements opposing her internment . If Marian's supporters use the word "rape" in this way though , anti-republican feminists will use it as an excuse to oppose getting involved .

author by Indyfanpublication date Tue Jan 03, 2012 14:33author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Brian is his own worst enemy if he genuinely wishes to promote the causes he purports to support here on this site. Half the time It ends up looking more like he is an agent provocateur trying to do the opposite.

If you are genuine Brian then you should consider what you are really trying to achieve here and how best to do it.

Is it more important to get up people's noses and alienate them or is it to build support for Marian? If it's the latter then you need to think a little more about your wording and imagery before posting. And perhaps you need to tailor your posts for different sites. Each have different levels of tolerance regarding wording / images.

After all, the object is to get the message out to the widest possible audience for Marians sake, not to get your posts hidden.

Although Marian has been treated very badly indeed, she has not actually been raped. And writing sexually explicit or crazy unsubstantiated articles here and getting a really bad rep for yourself does not help to build support for her case if in the next breath you are aligning yourself with her case. If anything it does the opposite and makes people associate her case with you and your unpleasant rants and it actually does her harm not good. Can't you see that at all?

If being controversial in the lurid red top journalism sense of the word and "sticking it to the man" is all that matters to you then just ignore this post.

author by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite partypublication date Tue Jan 03, 2012 15:07author address author phone Report this post to the editors


..necessarily be 'anti-republican'...they may, like many of us, be anti the brands of republican that have been hijacked by so many in dictatorial and exclusive fashion.

Too many simplistic monopolists of the term for health.

author by BrianClarkeNUJ - AllVoicespublication date Tue Jan 03, 2012 17:50author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The CAUSE - STOP THE RAPE OF MARIAN PRICE has at the moment approximately 1,500 signatories. If any of you comrades can do better I would be more than happy to take back seat for a while on such a critical issue. There is some constructive useful criticism there but accusations of provocateur are obviously disingenuous. It cannot but remind me once again of what that Dublin republican Brendan Behan wrote.


“Critics are like eunuchs in a harem; they know how it's done, they've seen it done every day, but they're unable to do it themselves.” 



Currently the laboratory of Occupied Ireland witnesses basic democratic freedoms under attack such as freedom of speech and of the press; freedom from unreasonable search and seizure; the right to due process; and the right of anyone accused of a crime to a speedy and public trial by an impartial jury.


The Irish people again experience the return to the abuses that had been carried out against them under the colonial rule of the British monarchy and the last Tory administration under Thatcher. Habeas corpus has again been tossed out. Habeas corpus was an Anglo-Saxon common law even before the Magna Carter of 1215. The first Geneva Convention of 1864 dumped by an un-elected Englishman in Ireland


The few citizen rights acquired from noble sacrifices are being dumped. Irish sons and daughters who fought for Liberty must be spinning in their graves right now. The “F word,” fascism may conjure up images of Hitler and Mussolini but that notion prevents a thorough examination of the direction the British with the help of the Provos are taking right now.


As more and more Irish people will be singled out for detention without trial for exercising what should be their right to free speech and assembly, will fellow citizens watch and let it happen to our fellow Irish citizens of political conscience, rationalizing it is not about themselves and not support their message of truth about the abuse power. Do you not understand that the CAUSE of Marian Price and her politically interned comrades are fighting for ours and our children’s futures. Constructive criticism is welcome but please support her CAUSE at the link below for it surely is your CAUSE.

A SCUM STATE ENABLER
A SCUM STATE ENABLER

Related Link: http://www.causes.com/MarianPrice
author by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite partypublication date Tue Jan 03, 2012 20:15author address author phone Report this post to the editors

..is that alot of Irish people will simply be offended because they identify with the half-arsed state we've assembled..and consider you are calling them personally scum.

It wont expedite your dream republic. It will create reaction.

author by BrianClarkeNUJ - AllVoicespublication date Wed Jan 04, 2012 02:43author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The island of Ireland consists of two scum states, created by the old British colonial policy of divide and conquer, the remnants of which you can trace today all over the world where ever their neo-colonies are or colonies have been. It is facilitated by collaborators in Ireland, paid huge salaries in two scum parliaments in Stormont and Leinster House. Ireland is a small but clear entity on the world map, the rest is nonsense !

Any fool can see this and good people like Marian Price have been paying the price for a very long time. Its time to stop it !

Now do you want me to explain the evidence of why there are two scum states and really offend a lot of people because I have no problem doing it. Let's just start with child rape and the millions of its enablers on the island kicking with both feet !

Caption: PERVERTS , PRIESTS & PROVOS . PART A


Related Link: http://www.causes.com/MarianPrice
author by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite partypublication date Wed Jan 04, 2012 08:37author address author phone Report this post to the editors

So you represent allvoices and I'm spouting nonsense and before the Brits landed we lived in milk and honey and sweet reason and I'm on a huge salary and a fool facilitating the scum so you dont have to address any point I raise.
It amazes me you can bring yourself to write in their scummy language.

Happy New Year.


author by BrianClarkeNUJ - AllVoicespublication date Wed Jan 04, 2012 12:06author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Shure I know tis awful plastic but seein as yer doin the Devil's work Diablos, here's an auld song to lighten things !

Ath Bhlian faoi mhaise dhuit, Deabhail !

Gerry Adams IRA OC
Gerry Adams IRA OC


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author by W. Finnertypublication date Wed Jan 04, 2012 12:16author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"Nature shows us only the tail of the lion. But there is no doubt in my mind that the lion belongs with it even if he cannot reveal himself to the eye all at once because of his huge dimension. We see him only the way a louse sitting upon him would."
 
 
Albert Einstein

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author by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite partypublication date Wed Jan 04, 2012 12:25author address author phone Report this post to the editors

If its anything like your post I can imagine the level.

I'll leave it to yourself and your ex-mate Gerry to form a chorus.

But its a pity the woman in question doesn't have a better advocate. You do her no favours, and will win her few allies until you adopt a more adult Tone.

Dha thrian den obair i an chosulacht.

author by BrianClarkeNUJ - AllVoicespublication date Wed Jan 04, 2012 23:02author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Brownie Adams and Lord Muck were never mates of mine as you put it Qiabhail. For the record, I never once in my years, saw either of them at a single Comhairle Uladh meeting, so how the hell can they call themselves Sinn Fein. For the records further Diabhail, when they do become public, unless they are doctored of course, I never let an adult Tone or mate as you put it, down either, bar myself of course. As regards a better advocate for Marian Price your entitled to your opinion the same as everyone else, sure opinions are like Arsenils Diabhail, everyone has got one. No doubt there are better advocates out there its just I wish they would present themselves so I could hand over the task at hand, for the sake of Marian and all our futures as Irish people.

Caption: PERVERTS, PRIESTS & PROVOS . PART B


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author by W. Finnertypublication date Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:04author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"Everyone has the right to an effective remedy by the competent national tribunals for acts violating the fundamental rights granted him by the constitution or by law." (Article 8)

Some other pieces of text from the United Nations UDHR, taken from the Preamble, and which I believe are also very relevant to Marion Price's present situation, include the following:

"Whereas disregard and contempt for human rights have resulted in barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of mankind, and the advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people,"

"Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule of law"

I believe it's now time, and indeed the time is at present long overdue it appears to me, that all judges, and all lawyers in the United Kingdom, in the Republic of Ireland, in the United States of America, and elsewhere in the world, stop playing their corruption-ridden and government-crime-supporting games relating to the protection of the set of universal principles of basic human rights contained in the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights text, and, far more importantly perhaps, in all of the vast array of national and international legislation (produced since December 10th 1948) which is based on the contents of the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

By way of providing some evidence of the kind of really hard-core legal profession corruption I have in mind, relating to these basic human rights issues, some readers may wish to know that I am still waiting for a reply to the registered letter I sent to Barrister John Glynn (of Hogan & Co, Ballinasloe, County Galway, Republic of Ireland) on April 3rd 2007.

A copy of the text of my April 3rd 2007 letter to Mr John Glynn (Barrister), together with a scanned copy of the Post Office receipt, can be viewed at:
http://europeancourtofhumanrightswilliamfinnerty.com/Jo...r.htm

Related Link: http://www.ohchr.org/en/udhr/pages/introduction.aspx
author by BrianClarkeNUJ - AllVoicespublication date Fri Jan 06, 2012 06:14author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I can identify with the difficulties of your long campaign for justice Mr Finnerty. I have just received my umpteenth death threat from matters covered in this article. They are all from from British agents some in Ireland some in London under the cover of various paramilitary groups but their origin is obvious. To get back to the topic;

Marian Price has been politically interned now without trial in British Occupied Ireland for almost 8 months in solitary confinement. After previously been force fed 400 times while on 220 days of hunger strike, Marian now has serious health problems and is in considerable constant pain, as result of her previous treatment. She had previously received a Royal pardon which would mean she should be released immediately, the British now say they have lost it. The UN special rapporteur on torture recently called for solitary confinement to be banned in all but 'exceptional circumstances' and for it never to last more than 15 days. The British are also ignoring the first Geneva Convention of 1864 in the treatment of Marian, as per her injuries from their previous torture. Despite a court ordering her release, this political internment was ordered by an un-elected Englishman in Ireland and is administered by provisional collaborators.

British Brute Force
British Brute Force

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author by BrianClarkeNUJ - AllVoicespublication date Sat Jan 07, 2012 06:09author address author phone Report this post to the editors

CNN -- "The Justice Department announced Friday it is revising a decades-old definition of rape to expand the kinds of offenses that constitute the crime and for the first time, include men as victims.
Now, any kind of nonconsensual penetration, no matter the gender of the attacker or victim, will constitute rape -- meaning that attacks on men will be counted.
The crime of rape will be defined as "penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim," a Justice Department statement said."

See link below for details

New FBI Definition of Rape
New FBI Definition of Rape

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author by shooterpublication date Sat Jan 07, 2012 09:47author address author phone Report this post to the editors

by this definition, does a bullet penetrating someone's body without their prior consent constitute rape then?

author by BrianClarkeNUJ - AllVoicespublication date Sat Jan 07, 2012 11:35author address author phone Report this post to the editors

There is just a 6% conviction rate for rape in Occupied Ireland so it doesn't matter to the British what kind o rape it is, its almost legal anyway. So the question, "does a bullet penetrating someone's body without their prior consent constitute rape then?" is basically irrelevant in Occupied Ireland particularly if the rapist is British or wears one of their uniforms. If your a child you haven't much of a chance, On the other hand if you are Irish or do not vote for Gerry Adam's party, as the case of Marian Price demonstrates, you could be interned for the rest of their lives at the discretion of the Queen's Englishman in Ireland especially if Gerry Kelly or Adams give a nod or a wink !.

Marian Price Force Fed 400 Times
Marian Price Force Fed 400 Times

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author by messengerpublication date Sat Jan 07, 2012 18:39author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I am relaying the message to BrianClarke on behalf of Marian.

Marian does not wish the word rape to be used by supporters in posts relating to her case

-thank you on behalf of M.P.

author by BrianClarkeNUJ - AllVoicespublication date Sun Jan 08, 2012 05:24author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The Title STOP THE RAPE OF MARIAN PRICE in Causes Facebook which has 1.550 signatories cannot be changed and to delete it without good reason would be a betrayal of all the good people who joined it.. If you can identify yourself as one of Marian's family and I mean her genuine family, I will have to delete the CAUSE to comply with your request.

I have had various death threats from British agents both in London and Ireland on this matter already, which i have no intention of complying with. I do not politically respond to death threats from the British whatever their guises. I have absolutely no vested interest in this matter, other than see justice served in Ireland. I am extremely surprised that none of her support groups have taken up her cause on CAUSES, Facebook.

Believe me I want this matter resolved soonest both for Marian's sake and my own, as I have a rather busy life to get on with but you need to instruct those who issue threats to take their death threats out of Irish politics !

Is mise le meas,

brian o' cleirigh

The British Torture of Marian Price in Occupied Ireland
The British Torture of Marian Price in Occupied Ireland

Related Link: http://www.causes.com/causes/627113-stop-the-rape-of-marian-price
author by BrianClarkeNUJ - AllVoicespublication date Sun Jan 08, 2012 08:35author address author phone Report this post to the editors

With the possibility that Marian may find offence and misunderstand political rape for something else or have been mis-informed, with further consideration, her CAUSE has been changed to the following as a compromise to Marian, no one else.

ABOUT BRITISH CENSORED CAUSE TO STOP TORTURE OF MARIAN PRICE 1,549 MEMBERS RISES AGAIN

The British Torture of Marian Price in Occupied Ireland continues. Our last Cause for Marian had 1,549 members but it is censored. It continues here reborn just add the previous 1,549 noble members to the total who have joined Marian's CAUSE.

An unelected Englishman in Occupied Ireland has overruled the Queen's pardon of Marian Price for activity 40 years ago, ordered by Gerry Adams Belfast OC. The British courts ordered her release but this Brit Tory illegally overrules both.

Marian Price has been politically interned now without trial in British Occupied Ireland for almost 8 months in solitary confinement. After previously been force fed 400 times while on 200 days of hunger strike, Marian now has serious health problems and is in considerable constant pain, as result of her previous treatment. She had previously received a Royal pardon which would mean she should be released immediately, the British now say they have lost it.


The UN special rapporteur on torture recently called for solitary confinement to be banned in all but 'exceptional circumstances' and for it never to last more than 15 days. The British are also ignoring the first Geneva Convention of 1864 in the treatment of Marian, as per her injuries from their previous torture. Despite a court ordering her release, this political internment ordered by an un-elected Englishman in Ireland is administered by provisional collaborators who were both directly involved in the specific activity Marian is tortured for. Both Gerry Adams IRA OC who ordered her to London and Gerry Kelly who brought her there as a 19 year old girl, have the power to free her.


Failte Welcome to Marian's CAUSE


This cause is not allied with any sect, denomination or organization and is a call for justice and basic human rights in occupied Ireland. I would like to convey my heartfelt appreciation to each and every member, who signed Marian's previous censored cause. I hope we see your contributions here often. Because of massive censorship we rely on you passing the CAUSE on to your friends and recruiting. I have been very upset that good people from the previous CAUSE are censored but we will continue to rise again.

New CAUSE for Marian Price
New CAUSE for Marian Price

Caption: Force Feeding Scene


Related Link: http://www.causes.com/causes/645930-british-censored-cause-to-stop-torture-of-marian-price-1-549-members-rises-again
author by W. Finnertypublication date Sun Jan 08, 2012 09:50author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"The rape of the mind and stealthy mental coercion are among the oldest crimes of mankind. They probably began back in pre historic days when man first discovered that he could exploit human qualities of empathy and understanding in order to exert power over his fellow men (and women!!)."
 
The above excerpt by Dr Joost A. M. Meerloo, M.D., (Former Instructor in Psychiatry at Columbia University) has been copied from the following location:
 http://www.ninehundred.net/control/forward.html

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